$5 million per day Masonic Conspiracy!!!

Originally posted by YouAreLiedTo
Wow, my Mother Lodge is very charitable, but $5 million per day as a whole? That's a pretty penny to hand-out daily for the betterment of everyone.

On another note... at $5 million per day, how can some of these Lodges afford to feed the goat?

I don't know about you, but our lodge pimps our the goat for charity...

Originally posted by GhettoRice

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by randomname

 

$1,825,000,000 per year just in money raised, not to mention all of the good works, hours spent, and lives impacted. It is quite a feat!

Is this strictly from Scottish right? Or other orders as well like Eastern star and such?

Just for clarification as well you state this money is "raised", do you know what the contribution amount of that is? I say this because it might be like my own Canadian govt who "pledge" amazing donations to places like Sumatra and other recent disasters, but who never follow up to actually give them the money.

(p.s I do overstand that there are legitimate ones made by these orders but what do the accounting numbers show?)

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That amount is ALL of the orders, including Eastern Star.

There are many private donations that may or may not be "recorded" for privacy issues, but are "accountable".

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by Sandalphon
I wonder how much they take in in dues annually?

Are you ready for it?

Blue Lodge= $65 a year. that includes building maint., Electricity, Trash pickup, Gas, Phone, ect.....

Scottish Rite= $100 a year. that includes building maint., Electricity, Trash pickup, Gas, Phone, ect.....

Shrine= $100 a year. that includes building maint., Electricity, Trash pickup, Gas, Phone, ect.....

The rest of the money collected goes to charity. Now you know our deepest darkest secrets.

My Blue Lodge fee is $75 per year. Darn it! I want my $10 bucks back! LOL

Originally posted by diamondsmith

Originally posted by da pickles
reply to post by diamondsmith

 

since when do you need to be rich to be mason

Not necessary rich but in business.

Interesting. Is that a fact? Wonder how it is that I became a Mason then what with working previously as a freelance television editor? Or how it is that I'm allowed to remain one (and an officer of my lodge at that, two years away from the Master's chair) having been laid off three years ago and doing my best to apply 30-years worth of work experience to a different industry? And without drawing on anyone's charity so far (though it's been a near-run thing)? Good thing I've been good with money all the years before.

But I'm as far from being either rich or in business as one can get so how is it I'm a Mason?

I can hardly wait for the explanation

Fitz

Originally posted by User8911
Charity?
To who?
Friend of the mason's or themselves?
A secret socialism club for the elitists minded?

I love the disconnect;. Either Masons are filthy rich, elitist businessmen networking to keep the rest of the world down or they're socialists, spreading the wealth around hither and nigh.

Wait a second. Did I just hear someone moving the goalposts again?

Fitz

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

Yup, of course my view is uninformed, after all, I didn't go through the indoctrination process towards becoming a mason, right? */sarcasm*

Precisely so. The only "indoctrination process towards becoming a mason" is the societal "indoctrination" provided at the hearts of all the world's great religions. You know...like Christianity, Judaism, Muslimism, Hinduism, etc. To that end, there's nothing unique about that "indoctrination" and that "indoctrination" would hold anybody in good stead in society, Mason and non-Mason alike.

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
Now, here's me admitting that I obviously don't know everything that's going on...

You didn't have to admit anything.

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
, however, my brain has never failed me. I was reading at a 10th grade level in grade 2 and teaching myself psychology and anthropology by grade 4, so don't tell me that I'm uninformed.

You obviously aren't informed as to what a strawman argument is.

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by Sandalphon
I wonder how much they take in in dues annually?

Are you ready for it?

Blue Lodge= $65 a year. that includes building maint., Electricity, Trash pickup, Gas, Phone, ect.....

Ours just went up to $125/year but our temple is a historically-designated building dating back to the 1840s and such buildings are that much more expensive to maintain (though it's worth it IMHO given the building's Masonic and pre-Masonic history)

Fitz

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
Ours just went up to $125/year but our temple is a historically-designated building dating back to the 1840s and such buildings are that much more expensive to maintain (though it's worth it IMHO given the building's Masonic and pre-Masonic history)

Indeed. Not to mention the upkeep, in most states lodges still have to pay property tax, which can be HIGH depending on the size of the lot (which is going to be large for older buildings), and the surrounding property values (again, probably high if the community built up around the lodge, or the lodge were in a prominent location).

But would you rather keep a part of history around for $60,000+ a year in taxes, or see it get torn down and turned into high-rises?

Originally posted by JoshNorton
Indeed. Not to mention the upkeep, in most states lodges still have to pay property tax, which can be HIGH depending on the size of the lot (which is going to be large for older buildings), and the surrounding property values (again, probably high if the community built up around the lodge, or the lodge were in a prominent location).

But would you rather keep a part of history around for $60,000+ a year in taxes, or see it get torn down and turned into high-rises?

Property taxes are primarily responsible for the dues increase (up over the last two years from $100/year) as the property values near our temple have been quite consistently creeping up and municipal governments in Canada have only property taxes to turn to for raising revenues unlike in the States (or at least some of the States as I understand). And figuring that the $125 works out to about $6/meeting (which includes dinner), it's still a pretty good deal.

As for keeping the building or not, I prefer the history that is almost palpable when you enter it. The brethren have twice in the past considered levelling and rebuilding. But more forward-looking minds prevailed and ours is one of the oldest buildings of any kind in the city. We work hard to keep it that way having the unfortunate example of the Yonge Street Masonic Temple to keep us on our toes.

Fitz

reply to post by Fitzgibbon


Nice try but your personal attack has only proven to me that when the beliefs of the heavily indoctrinated are questioned, they (including you) respond with hostility and insults, just as you did. You have not contributed anything to the argument, nor have you told me anything I haven't already heard. Same script, different actor. The main difference between you and me is I ripped the wool off my eyes, and you only think you have.

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by Fitzgibbon

 

Nice try but your personal attack has only proven to me that when the beliefs of the heavily indoctrinated are questioned, they (including you) respond with hostility and insults, just as you did.

Says the guy who called us sheep.

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by Fitzgibbon

 

Nice try but your personal attack has only proven to me that when the beliefs of the heavily indoctrinated are questioned, they (including you) respond with hostility and insults, just as you did.

Well, if being "heavily indoctrinated" in your lexicon means behaving according to generally-accepted societal norms then I guess I'm guilty as charged (as is most of society) and will wear your epithet with pride.

reply to post by JoshNorton


Oh gee, well sorry if I offended you. */sarcasm*. I call em like I see em.

reply to post by Fitzgibbon


The fact that you wear the facade of freedom so willingly shows me just how blind you are. I would be fine with that if it was just that you were blind, but you're obviously not smart enough to be such a prickly little individual. Obviously not worth my time either.

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx

If he was "elite of the elite" you think he would waste his time surfing websites like this?

Yes, because he is saintly. He cares so much that he will invest hours of his private time trying to help.

Oh ya, and btw, in order to become a mason, you must be indoctrinated, which means that nothing that he says is credible in the slightest.

And what if he says that you bring up intelligent and important points?

Freemasonry is only at the bottom of the pyramid anyways.

I thought OWS protestors were at the bottom of the Pyramid?

Only those of "royal" bloodlines ever make it above the bottom tier.

These days Royals don't make it further than celeb-gossip magazines. Wouldn't it be great if we could re-institute absolute Monarchy and the rule of aristocracy?

If you don't come from high places,
you won't be told any more than any of us goyim.

So you bring Jews into this. Where do they rank compared to royals?

Therefore, I'm calling bullspit on this one.

Are you graced with special intuitive powers to tell truth from fiction?

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
so my mind is free (to the extent that someone with PTSD could be),

Im sorry to hear you suffer from PTSD. However, let's look at the statement "my mind is free". Wouldn't a free mind be one that will weigh both sides of an argument before jumping to conclusions? What if the pyramid shown in conspiracy-books is wrong? What if its not "Jews, Illuminati, Bankers, Secret Societies" running the world? What if power changes hands in every Generation? What if civilization is the History of Competition rather than total rule?
What if Freemasonry is benevolent or at least generally harmless? Is it totally impossible that you are mistaken?

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
so my mind is free (to the extent that someone with PTSD could be),

Im sorry to hear you suffer from PTSD. However, let's look at the statement "my mind is free". Wouldn't a free mind be one that will weigh both sides of an argument before jumping to conclusions? What if the pyramid shown in conspiracy-books is wrong? What if its not "Jews, Illuminati, Bankers, Secret Societies" running the world? What if power changes hands in every Generation? What if civilization is the History of Competition rather than total rule?
What if Freemasonry is benevolent or at least generally harmless? Is it totally impossible that you are mistaken?

Don't feel sorry for him; he's malingering (I'll bet I could guess his MMPI -2 with little to no error as his attitude and several comments are patently indicative of some specifics).

reply to post by Skyfloating


It is entirely possible that I may be wrong. That's where I stand apart from my peers. I haven't jumped to any conclusions, I was led to them through my research (I have no life, thanks to the PTSD, so I spend my time researching to pass the hours). If you're interested, I authored a thread a while back, which sort of compiles most of the info that I have come across. It's amazing how, when you start seeing one or two coordinates out of the puzzle, then the pieces start to come together a bit quicker.

The TRUE history of the world since 1773

reply to post by HardToStarboard


Cheeky little bugger. Would you care to elaborate on which specifics have been indicated. I know, for those who think they know everything, it's hard to have an actual conversation, but in this case, I suggest you try instead of just insulting me. Also, with you clearly being a headshrinker in training, I would suggest that you lay off on the psychobabble on this forum if you would. You will only end up irritating people.

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by JoshNorton

 

Oh gee, well sorry if I offended you. */sarcasm*. I call em like I see em.

And yet we're not permitted to do the same?

you're obviously not smart enough to be such a prickly little individual.

Oh look, more personal attacks from the person who was just complaining about personal attacks... *sigh*