Hells Angels, Outlaws, Motorcycle Clubs, and Organized Crime

I know this is an old thread but its new to me... and kind of funny. A lot of the stuff i've read on here regarding HA is total crap. They are not a secret society, they wear patches on their backs and are very open about who they are. YES it is true that they are a club, to get into their club takes a long time and a rigorous hang around/prospecting period that can last up to 2-3 years from what I'm told.

Anything you think you know about the hells angels is probably wrong. a lot of info can be found out from the real deal at sonybarger.com he has written his own books about the club, and i tend to believe what he's got to say about it, he is credited with starting the HAMC that we know of today.

Oh and just so there's no misconception I AM NOT A HELLS ANGEL! But i do hang out with them from time to time.


Fourth from the left crouching down is yours truly.



Glad to know theres some bikers on here too, just proves to me that the issues on ATS hit home to all wakes of life and not just the public sterio type that we're all nerds

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Interestingly enough I read that book years ago! My interests in books are quite eclectic. I found it a truly interesting book and very absorbing. I also have seen the movie, Beyond The Law about 5 times. I love Charlie Sheen. He is such a great actor as are all the Sheen clan, Martin Sheen and Emilio Estevez included! A great acting family!
Have a great day and an even better one tomorrow!
Purrs,
Catwoman=^..^= & Mija (my furangel)

Yeah organized crime was started by Guiseppe Mazini in 1872,he is the father of organized crime he also happened to be a 33rd degree Scottish rite Mason.

Originally posted by Xenobia
Yeah organized crime was started by Guiseppe Mazini in 1872,he is the father of organized crime he also happened to be a 33rd degree Scottish rite Mason.

Was he left-handed? You know, sinister (sinistre en italiano)? What boggles the mind is the desire, the wish of some to believe the unsupportable, that Freemasonry controls the world and is made up of God-less men with an eye on the prize and the prize alone.

The simple fact is that Masons are your neighbours, your co-workers, your friends. The man who follows the central tenets of Freemasonry is the man-in-the-crowd who does good works for their own sake alone, not for the personal praise.

reply to post by chief_counsellor


You are wrong, the gang that was featured on americas most wanted was the Mongols

Originally posted by chief_counsellor
The Hells Angels www.hells-angels.com... have within the past few years practically forced out the Outlaws www.outlawsmcworld.com... in my city.

Bikers are known for organized crime, and much of what they do is "covert" in their way of thinking. They have a lot of money and power, and have been known to actualy kill people. Drugs, prostitution, money laundering, extortion, blackmail, grand theft, bank robberies, many illegal activities can be attributed to the bikers in my town. They run the escort businesses and massages parlours, and have a hold on the drug market.

These groups can be a cause for concern, maybe fear, depending if you get on the wrong side of them.

A co-worker that was being offered membership into the Hells Angels once told me, that if he wanted me killed, he could have it done, describing the type of power these guys have.

Anyone have experience with biker gangs, motorcycle clubs, and organized crime?

CC

Motorcycle Clubs like any and all other orginizations collect many types of people. Some are criminals, some aren't.

The motto of the Hells Angels should tell you about their thoughtprocess. But I assure you, I have never met a better group of guys. you don't want to step on your d++k win their presance, but a great group of guys!

Love and respect to all 81s worldwide!!!

Originally posted by Xenobia
Yeah organized crime was started by Guiseppe Mazini in 1872,he is the father of organized crime he also happened to be a 33rd degree Scottish rite Mason.

The last time he logged in was the same day he posted this, so I doubt he'll reply.

Couldn't find anything to do with him being a Mason, unless he's refering to another person.
The fellow I pulled up was a revolutionary encouraging Italy's independence.
www.europe.org.uk...
www.mirees.it...

I was able to find someone on a Giuseppe Garibaldi:

Garibaldi never joined a lodge in Italy and took no direct interest in the Craft. He viewed Freemasonry as a political organization and was frustrated by his inability to use it as such.

www.freemasonry.bcy.ca...

[edit on 28-12-2008 by RuneSpider]

reply to post by chief_counsellor


You forgot to add government to your list.

It's the biggest criminal organisation there's ever been. The Hells Angels are, well, angels by comparison.

"Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators, and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class." ~ Albert Jay Nock, Our Enemy, The State

Hidden History: Where Organized Crime and Government Meet

Why worry about something that has very low likelihood of effecting you, when the government is in your life everyday?

Sonny Barger for president!

To call Hells Angels "organized crime" is just totally inaccurate. Mr. Barger was the first US citizen to beat a RICO charge. Since that time, numerous governments (Australia, Canada and the U.S.) have collectively spent billions attempting to prove that they exist solely as on ongoing criminal enterprise.

As in any large group, there are individuals who have committed crimes. But even Mr. Barger says that his own bouts with the law were done for personal gain and not as a member of the Hells Angels. They are incorporated, sell top quality support gear, and have outlasted the Federal Government since 1948.

There has been no organization who has collectively fought more for personal liberties and civil rights than the Hells Angels. In retaliation, every so-called clubhouse "raid" is a pre-staged media event with an average of 35-50 law enforcement personnel up to and including armored personnel carriers.

In contrast to this perception, the majority are family men who hold jobs, pay taxes and are some of the most patriotic and loyal Americans you will ever meet. I agree with whoever said they aren't a "secret society", but they are a closed society.

To give an example of how the Government "fights" this "evil empire", consider this: if you went into a bar and got into a fist fight with another patron and you kicked the crap out of him, at most you'd be looking at a low level felony. if a club member does this, he is often charge with "violence in aid of racketeering" which is FEDERAL and could mean several years in prison. Last year in Sturgis, S.D an unarmed member was shot twice by an off duty police officer in a local bar. All but 1 misdemeanor charge against the cop were dropped yet the club member still faces the possibility of prison time, even though he had no weapon other than his hands.

This type of "justice" reminds one of the special laws enacted after Pearl Harbor which allowed the imprisonment of anyone who happened to be of Oriental heritage. History will one day exonerate the club. In the meantime, check your facts. I stand behind what I have written. Support Your Local 81.

The HA's were the guys dropped into the middle of "hell" during WWII. They were put into the most horrid places to kill - under appreciated and disposable so when they got out of the service their shared experiences were enough to make them as brothers.

A prospect became a full patch by killing someone (had to have that under your belt - it made you a part of that brotherhood due to the circumstances that brought them together to begin with). I'm not sure how that looks today - have not been in close contact but as of about 1998 that was still the protocol.

My Uncle was murdered by one or more within this gang. Sadly - some within this club were close friends of my families (most of who are also now deceased). We know it wasn't one of them who did it but it shows how unpredictable it all is. My uncle was with a closely associated club but all got along due to overlapping friendships and ties so it is still a mystery why this happened - a mystery meaning something no one is asking further questions about - including the police.

I don't think there is any reason to fear the HA's if you mind your own business and don't get involved. Unless things have changed (and maybe they have), a full patch means they have passed all initiations, which at minimum requires a show of hard core loyalty and trust - something that ties you to them for life (whatever that may be today).

Drugs are a definite. Meth manufacturing especially but any drugs can be gotten. Prostitution - all I know about that is there are ones who won't have a part of that - at least that's what I was told by the ones I knew (actually would be protective of women - extra watchful of those they cared about or the stray hitchhiker - warning in a discrete way or altogether demanding certain crowds be avoided if they knew you better).

There are the real hard core rogue ones and the more benign ones IMO but there is a glue. They don't tell on each other (or they end up dead), and they have to have a full patch to choose their lifestyle. A prospect will do what they are told (if it means kidnapping and trafficking they will do it or not be a member - and if you tell you disappear). Also - many police officers know full well what goes on but do not touch it.

HA's perhaps are trying to clean up their image but that is some of my knowledge and experience. I will also say that there are way worse groups out there - way worse. Like to throw around their "badness" in an effort to look like a tough guy.

The origional HA was a guy who had been to hell and needed the brotherhood to cope. It grew. It will continue to evolve I imagine. It's a huge organization today. In spite of what happened to my uncle I would not hesitate to ask for help if they were there and I ran out of gas. There is good and bad within all families and there is good and bad within this bikers club. They want no beef with the average fellow independent bike lover (unless they are using their patch), and they don't bother people as normal protocol. Just people for the most part that happen to know a bit more about the dark world than we do yet may very well may not participate in it. It's a big brotherhood after all.

a reply to: Basta
Ignorant and racist comments aside, how can you be proud of something that had little to do with race? Plus, you can be proud for the invention, but maybe you should learn how to writer and spell properly.

The republic - the governing system that America uses today we created.

LOL Who's we? You seem to be taking credit for something you had no hand in. Maybe you should stop being proud of something you've actually contributed to this world other than racial slurs.

www.youtube.com...

Relevant lol.

a reply to: chief_counsellor
Look, 99% of bikers are not criminals (though I don't trust those Blue Angels)
But anyone who tries to tell you that the 1%...Angels, Outlaws, Banditoes , etc...are not criminal organisations are either lying or stupid.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
a reply to: chief_counsellor

But anyone who tries to tell you that the 1%...
Angels, Outlaws, Banditoes , etc...are not criminal organisations are either lying or stupid.

they are Not Criminal Organizations...
the 'charters' clubs' may have some members engage in activities which border on the Illegal.... but the "Bikers' are only exercising their freedoms rather than monolithically being determined 'criminals' in behavior or deed...

lets get real

all lot of HA especially retired, around here
want to buy a truckload of stolen wedding dresses..a key of whatever...a stolen genny?

the HA are a business model

but then every other mob you can think of is retired around here too
( because its nice)
and they all do the same