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posted on Sep, 12 2004 @ 01:57 PM
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On America's most wanted last night, it said there are only two real members of the hell's angels still at large.




posted on Sep, 12 2004 @ 02:29 PM
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I was going to do a post on this but you beat me to it. The Angels are the ultimate conspiracy and judging from the responses the conspiracy is working.
I am familiar with a few members on a casual basis and am very tight with some guys who are intimately familiar with them. The fact is they ARE a criminal organization with a finger in all money making rackets and they exert their control via violence and intimidation.

To deny this is folly. They are no more a simple club of motorcycle enthusiasts any more than the mafia is just an Italian social club.

Independant gangs no longer exist as the HA did a onetime massive patch over in response to the Bandidos expansion. Gangs were given the choice, us or them. Some local gangs simply dissbanded rather than choose a side and ultimately face violent reprisal from the other side.

Gangs that might appear to be independent are merely "puppet clubs" affiliated with the HA or Bandidos and there job is to do the dirty work and insulate the parent organization.

It amazes me that many people are more than willing to believe in hare-brained conspiracies yet refuse to see the HA for what they are.



posted on Sep, 14 2004 @ 02:34 PM
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I happen to know a few of the HA and to be honest they're not what you'd call a secret society, neither are they a sinister organization in the true sense of the word. They're all pretty hard blokes but as for the crime links, I don't know... Most of the ones I know have commited crimes of sorts, but then so have I. So probably have some of you. They have their fingers in a lot of pies, but I don't see what this has to do with a conspiracy site.

PS, my life has personally been threatened by a HA, but I'm still here! Having said that I don't think it was a serious threat. As it goes, they're a pretty good bunch of lads.



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 02:41 AM
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Is anyone familiar with the biker gang in the 60"s called "Satan's Slaves"? What I know about this gang is they were third down from the Hells Angels in terms of hierarchy in SoCal.

[edit on 27-11-2004 by OLChild]



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by deevee
I was going to do a post on this but you beat me to it. The Angels are the ultimate conspiracy and judging from the responses the conspiracy is working. I am familiar with a few members on a casual basis and am very tight with some guys who are intimately familiar with them.

You said "casual basis." Does this mean you are a hangaround? You are not a prospect or patch holder, that much is clear. I am sure you cannot know much more about HAMC than anyone else. The discloser of club business to you would not be a very smart thing for someone to do, if they like breathing that is.


The fact is they ARE a criminal organization with a finger in all money making rackets and they exert their control via violence and intimidation.


This is true of most 1% clubs, nothing new there. As many have stated, however, it depends on the chapter you are talking about.



Independant gangs no longer exist as the HA did a onetime massive patch over in response to the Bandidos expansion. Gangs were given the choice, us or them. Some local gangs simply dissbanded rather than choose a side and ultimately face violent reprisal from the other side.

Gangs that might appear to be independent are merely "puppet clubs" affiliated with the HA or Bandidos and there job is to do the dirty work and insulate the parent organization.


This is an outright lie. While it is true that any club must receive the blessing of the dominant club in order to be in a certain area, that does not mean that they must work for them. They have to show them respect, nothing more. Things like if you go to a rival clubs party, you MUST go to the dominant clubs party. It's hard to explain how it works without getting into the club's business, and that is not a wise thing to do. What you were talking about is a support club/organization. While there are many support clubs, there are many more that are not.

So far as Bandidos go, they are still bigger than the HAMC, however it is hard to say by how much. The number of patch holders in the club is considered club business, kind of like top secret, not to be discussed outside the club. HAMC is still to be respected, however I think many would agree that Bandidos and Outlaws run things in most areas.



phreak_of_nature and springer, I am sure your intent was not to make HOG out to be a motorcycle club. Not to take anything away from your group, it just that comparing HOG to any MC, let alone a 1%er, tends to piss the MCs off, and is misleading about the nature of MCs as compared to organizations and riders groups. Just wanted to make sure everyone knows the only thing HOG and most MCs have in common is vehicle choice.



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 03:54 AM
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Originally posted by chief_counsellor
The Hells Angels www.hells-angels.com... have within the past few years practically forced out the Outlaws www.outlawsmcworld.com... in my city.

Bikers are known for organized crime, and much of what they do is "covert" in their way of thinking. They have a lot of money and power, and have been known to actualy kill people. Drugs, prostitution, money laundering, extortion, blackmail, grand theft, bank robberies, many illegal activities can be attributed to the bikers in my town. They run the escort businesses and massages parlours, and have a hold on the drug market.

These groups can be a cause for concern, maybe fear, depending if you get on the wrong side of them.

A co-worker that was being offered membership into the Hells Angels once told me, that if he wanted me killed, he could have it done, describing the type of power these guys have.

Anyone have experience with biker gangs, motorcycle clubs, and organized crime?

CC


My experieces come from Canada, I myself have been in Outlaws houses, Hells Angels, Satans Choice.... As a child. In Ontario Canada of course... I remember being to both sides... my best friends mother (bestfriend since like 6-8 y/o) was part of their organization as a treasurerer, and more. And my father was an associate, and very good friend of BOTH sides where we were living. Now "retired" my father doesn't talk to any of these people anymore.... But he always told me if I needed help, ... it was there.



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 04:01 AM
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No intention to insult any motorcycle organization on my behalf. I am not a prospect or carry a patch but my father does. It was suggested that this forum is a good place to learn and get opintions.



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 04:12 AM
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ooppsss, I meant opinions.



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 04:17 AM
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Originally posted by Bleys
Here is a group of bikers you ought to check out. BACA - Bikers Against Child Abuse.......They are a terrific group



Thanks for that link Bleys, sounds like a good group, I had never heard of them.


Alot of groups and MCs do good things. We do toy runs, blood drive runs, food runs, ect., ect. Just about any excuse to ride is good enough, but it is nice to do it for a good cause.



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 06:34 PM
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Hey guys, here is a good link I found, a great source of good information about motorcycle clubs


Motorcycle club information



posted on Nov, 12 2007 @ 03:14 AM
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The "boyz" I know, are much more dangerous than you realize. In a secret society sort of way...



posted on Nov, 12 2007 @ 04:03 AM
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I've been raised around motorcycles, and if you're defending the Hells Angels, Pagans, or the Sundowners, you're ridiculous. You can play that "they're not all that bad," card, but they're just as bad as the common urban street gangs. They're just pushing their smut to a different demographic. You think the Sundowners and the Heroin trade in Arizona, Utah, and Colorado is a joke? There's a little more to it than "hanging out at strip clubs."



posted on Nov, 12 2007 @ 04:13 AM
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i remember about a year and half ago there was some sort of protesting going on about a half hour from where i live. there were lots of town and state cops there to make sure the protestors didnt get out of control. a pack of hells angels, paegans, and other bike clubs showed up..in the numbers over a hundred.. i cant remember what the protesting was about, but these bikers rode over 500 miles to get here and when they got to the spot of protesting, the bikers proceeded to beat the crap out of anyone they saw that was protesting. the cops LEFT..they didnt try to talk, or sooth the situation..they literally got in their cars, some cops have bikes, and LEFT..it was all over the news and in the papers..no one got arrested except for a couple people protesting lol..the bikers kicked ass, and left and didnt get in trouble.

thought that was funny to share. but my own personal experiance, my best friend's dad has been in a few clubs. all i'll say is bikers are not bad people, but if they ride with a group/club...stay aware lol..cuz they arent people you want to mess with, they have no fear, and do have power. but they are some of the nicest, and respectable people i've met, personally. they are just in shady business.



posted on Nov, 13 2007 @ 08:12 PM
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Just have to chuckle on this one. being that I am a former HD dealer, Milwaukee certified and in it for over 30yrs, I have seen it all.
The outlaw bike clubs are criminals pure and simple. In fact most require a member to have committed a felony crime for the gang.
The bike gangs are filled with federal informers as basically any town/state they are in are sick of them.
Any kind of involvement with these parasites, is asking for trouble.
The nonsense of these gangs may alright in some particular area is too stupid to address.



posted on Nov, 13 2007 @ 09:57 PM
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I've been riding my harley since 1977. I belong to no club but ride with many. What I am is a free spirit. I make my own rules.

In Daytona during Biketoberfest and Bike Week there are many clubs represented but no colors are allowed. This helps keep the violence down. I have attended these events alone many times. I have never been given anything but the utmost respect by the other bikers.

There are two things that are going to happen if you are a biker for very long. 1. You will drop your bike and 2. You will most likely come in contact with some really bad bikers. Biker bars and bike shops do not cull out the bad guys. You co-exist but it doesn't make you best buddies.

I was a business woman and well respected in my community. I retired this past Jan. so I am free to ride whenever I want. I have neroupathy in my legs so it makes riding a bit painful.

Maybe the reason I haven't joined a MC is because so many bikers act so macho and tough. I'm 5 ft. short, 120 pounds. 60 yrs old and can ride with the best. Oh, and I can fix my bike when it breaks.

It's getting time for the ABATE MC to have the Christmas Toy Run. I do that every yr and do poker runs once a month.

Ladies you don't know what you're missing if you don't have your own bike. I'm grinning so big while riding I spend an hour getting the bug wings and parts out of my teeth when I get home. I truely love my bike.

Dizzie



posted on Nov, 13 2007 @ 10:03 PM
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BLUE ANGELS

Now THAT is my club....

No criminal activity of course, anyone familiar with this riding club knows why.. LOL

Most of us ride Harleys, but Jap bikes are welcome too...

Semper



posted on Nov, 13 2007 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by phreak_of_nature

Problem with your hypothesis is that you are describing organized crime activity and making the leap that it is specific to bikers. Same could be said of latinos, blacks, italians, and many other groups.

There are bad apples in every bunch.


i agree my dad and mum have had bike clubs of there own and ive been brought up with bikes its one of my favorite pattimes.

and ive never experienced anything bad or dodgy.

infct i see a lot of good from bikers like over here in england im not sure if they do it in america or any other countyies but we have bike runs were ifor instance at christmas we have the xmas run were we all buy toys and ride arou the town in question sometime stoke on treat sometimes other places then members of the public stand on the side of the road withtoys and gifts and the bikers pick them up from the public then ride to the local hospital and give them to the children they also do it at easter put with easter eggs.
and there is also a dog food run i go to as well.

we arent all bad like phreak_of_nature said there are bad with everything.

i find also if a biker has an accident another biker will pull over and help almost everytime.

unfortuantly this pregastis against bikers nearly killed my dadd he was riding along a main road and a drunk drive pulled out in front of him and knocked him off and somehow no ones knows his little finger was severed but the police automatically thought it was dads falt being a biker and ripped his glove off and his finger went flying off into a field andit was never found.
the police kept seeing if the drunk was ok and left dad in pain.
when they did the investigation it was proven with out a doubt that the drunk was totally to fault and dad wasnt even speeding.
the drunk was three times over the limit..

sorry for babbling i just get annoyed when people automatically think all bikers are bad and evil.



posted on Nov, 13 2007 @ 10:38 PM
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My X was an associate (didn't ride) of the Outlaws here. Their club house had sandbag lined walls and a shot gun hidden (just in case ). They kiss each other on the lips when greeting, which grossed me out. They always drank till drunk, ate till stuffed and snorted anything remotely powder. I once seen one member snort hot pepper seeds.
They have social rank and do what they are told to do or else. One of my X's friends is in the witness protection program because he wore a wire while a biker admitted to throwing some guy out a window to his death.

Thankfully this all was over 20 years ago and most of these members are dead or in jail.



posted on Nov, 13 2007 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by dizziedame
I've been riding my harley since 1977. I belong to no club but ride with many. What I am is a free spirit. I make my own rules.

In Daytona during Biketoberfest and Bike Week there are many clubs represented but no colors are allowed. This helps keep the violence down. I have attended these events alone many times. I have never been given anything but the utmost respect by the other bikers.

There are two things that are going to happen if you are a biker for very long. 1. You will drop your bike and 2. You will most likely come in contact with some really bad bikers. Biker bars and bike shops do not cull out the bad guys. You co-exist but it doesn't make you best buddies.

I was a business woman and well respected in my community. I retired this past Jan. so I am free to ride whenever I want. I have neroupathy in my legs so it makes riding a bit painful.

Maybe the reason I haven't joined a MC is because so many bikers act so macho and tough. I'm 5 ft. short, 120 pounds. 60 yrs old and can ride with the best. Oh, and I can fix my bike when it breaks.

It's getting time for the ABATE MC to have the Christmas Toy Run. I do that every yr and do poker runs once a month.

Ladies you don't know what you're missing if you don't have your own bike. I'm grinning so big while riding I spend an hour getting the bug wings and parts out of my teeth when I get home. I truely love my bike.

Dizzie



i read your message and had a grin ear to ear, like you, me and my mum are avid bikers.
i only have 125cc but i love it soon ill get a bit more bigger but not at the mo but im proud of my mum becauseover here when the suzuki gsx 1400 came out she was one of the first to buy one iwas amazing seeing the look on her face the first day she took it out.

love bikes and wouldnt want to be anywhere other than the rider


[edit on 13-11-2007 by kerrichin]



posted on Nov, 13 2007 @ 10:41 PM
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Bikers are take no s*** men and women. Hells angels are not to be messed with nor are the Milwaukee Outlaws. read hunter Thompson's book
Hells angels if you can find it. He's dead now but the guy wrote one hell of a book on the angels. The angels even gave old hunter a hells angel ass kicking for the book.

Than theres the Milwaukee Outlaws. this rival group is much like the angels. they both run drugs, stolen bikes, women, murder and any thing else associated with being a bad ass biker. I had a Harley stolen by the outlaws in Milwaukee back in 79. They did it for a girl I was going with that got put in her place by me and she than called in a favor. Later years I got into a bit of a tussle with a bro of an outlaw. Messed the dude up some what and the boys came looking for me. Three against one is not pretty. Anyway, one of the trio liked me for some reason and invited me to the club house which was a bar on a dead end street in a manufacturing district just south of downtown Milwaukee.

I first asked if I was safe from retaliation for the earlier incident and I was assured I was. So we did the usual, we opened beer and coke was put out but I didn't do any since I only drank beer. They had guards on duty consisting of 2 damn huge Doberman and who ever was upstairs of the bar. I was nervous but did not see any action on my a**.

I have many stories of the outlaws seeing I shared Milwaukee with them. I can tell you they have enforcers that will beat you and kill you if you do the wrong thing. There was another biker gang trying to hustle the town with fresh probates. The outlaws brought in there enforcers and in a warehouse on Milwaukee's south side they punched it out. the outlaws walked out and the competition was lying bloodied on the ground.

Last I heard back in 95 was the angels were going to take Milwaukee from the outlaws. Several shootings and fires went down and I moved from Milwaukee. I'm getting to old and don't need that s*** any more.

Bikes I owned 1975 - 2003:
1976 super glide by AMF stolen by the O's
1980 harley bagger smashed it up
1982 harley bagger
1991 softtail springer an indian totaled this one with his caddy in the badlands.
1992 softtail springer bought and paid for from my insurance check off the 91
1982 fxsb harley davidson sturgis dual belt drive

Stopped riding 2003 and sold my 82 fxsb





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