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Luke 16:17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.
1 Timothy 1:8 Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane
Matthew 5:17-45 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ ...
James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.
Galatians 3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.
Romans 8:3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—
Romans 7:1-6 Or do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress. Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. ...
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
Romans 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Romans 8:3-4 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Mark 9:49 Everyone will be salted with fire.
Hebrews 12:6 Because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son."
1 Corinthians 2:10 "But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God."
John 6:38 “For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. “
Mathew 23: 38-39 38 Then he said to them, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.” 39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
Mathew 13:31-32 31 He told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. 32 Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches.”
I John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
John 3:3-73 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” 4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!” 5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’
John 8:34, 36 Whosoever 34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
I John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
I John 5:4 4 For every child of God defeats this evil world, and we achieve this victory through our faith.
Rom. 6:16-18 16 Don’t you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living. 17 Thank God! Once you were slaves of sin, but now you wholeheartedly obey this teaching we have given you. 18 Now you are free from your slavery to sin, and you have become slaves to righteous living.
Luke 16:17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away...
Originally posted by sacgamer25
reply to post by Frira
The new heaven and new earth will be void of sin. Without sin one needs no law. This is my opinion.
Originally posted by sacgamer25
reply to post by WarminIndy
Yes I agree the law has been written on the heart of all. But it is the Holy Spirit that can free you from the burden of the law and allow you to live by Grace.
Originally posted by sacgamer25
reply to post by WarminIndy
I agree with you completely but that is a another topic all in itself. I created this as kind of a Christianity 101 purposely not getting into that depth. I think a lot of people and most of the church doesn't even understand the basic premise of Christ. I was thinking if one can't except the basic it would be futile to try and get into any more depth. I believe by your posts that the Holy Spirit is at work in you just as he is in me. With love and glory to God.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by sacgamer25
You have very valid points, but Revelation and the Hallel psalms do not say everyone gets to go to heaven ragardless of what you've done, they both indicate that anyone who rebels (goats) against God (Jesus the Messiah) will go into the lake of fire while the righteous (sheep) inherit the kingdom.
The old law was designed to show the Israelites (and all men) that they cannot hope to live without God, that without him they would perish because even 1 sin no matter how trivial we might think it is enough to damn us forever and it was the mosaic laws Jesus came to shield us from, he didn't destroy the laws or negate them, he took the full force of the Father's wrath 2000 years ago (2000 years to us 2 days for him),
Originally posted by WarminIndy
Originally posted by sacgamer25
reply to post by Frira
The new heaven and new earth will be void of sin. Without sin one needs no law. This is my opinion.
And without the law, there is no punishment of sin. I think it is the punishment that people don't want to hear about because they only want to hear about the rewards.
Originally posted by Frira
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by sacgamer25
You have very valid points, but Revelation and the Hallel psalms do not say everyone gets to go to heaven ragardless of what you've done, they both indicate that anyone who rebels (goats) against God (Jesus the Messiah) will go into the lake of fire while the righteous (sheep) inherit the kingdom.
Or...
sheep = brethren = Church
goats = non-Baptized and are judged on how they treat the "least of these my brethren"
So, while not universalism (everyone is saved); it is still a much wider door which He has opened.
The old law was designed to show the Israelites (and all men) that they cannot hope to live without God, that without him they would perish because even 1 sin no matter how trivial we might think it is enough to damn us forever and it was the mosaic laws Jesus came to shield us from, he didn't destroy the laws or negate them, he took the full force of the Father's wrath 2000 years ago (2000 years to us 2 days for him),
Nicely said. Reminds me of the words, "A perpetual sacrifice, once offered."
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by WarminIndy
When the Sanhedrin put Jesus on trial they asked him "what are the 2 greatest laws?" and Jesus replied:" The First of the greatest 2 laws is to love the LORD your God with all you strength, all your heart and all your mind. The second law is to love your neighbor as you love yourself".
Summed up, these 2 greatest laws are the 10 commandments. The first 4 laws deal with loving the LORD our God and the last 6 have to do with loving our neighbors as we love ourselves (notice how God comes before Man always, nowadays we have Man putting himself before God always).
The creation has decided he is greater than his creator, welcome to God's wrath on earth, the great tribulation.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Originally posted by WarminIndy
Originally posted by sacgamer25
reply to post by Frira
The new heaven and new earth will be void of sin. Without sin one needs no law. This is my opinion.
And without the law, there is no punishment of sin. I think it is the punishment that people don't want to hear about because they only want to hear about the rewards.
Which is the entire basis behind those non believers who claim "your God must be evil and not as omnipotent or all loving as he claims, if he will not forgive the wicked for being wicked anyway"