It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
It is my opinion that you have listened to many false teachers who claim that they are teaching with the authority of Christ.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by sacgamer25
Now for this...
It is my opinion that you have listened to many false teachers who claim that they are teaching with the authority of Christ.
Careful who you judge my friend... especially when you do not know who you're speaking to.
And by the way, i appreciate your issue with the KJV... but i'll stick with what i like. Thanks though.
edit on 3-1-2012 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
As for my views, who exactly do you think is telling me what I believe? I have essentially proven through scripture that no church that I am aware of is teaching the true message. If I was receiving my understanding from a church I most certainly would give credit to that church. But since my inspiration comes from the Holy Spirit I can only credit God with my understanding of scripture. Which is the way Christ promised one would learn the meaning of scripture.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by sacgamer25
I understand you "believe" in all three, don't get me wrong i also believe in The father, the son, and the spirit...
Though my issue is this... The Father is always assigned to the highest position within the bible, and other scripture you may not be familiar with... Jesus always refers to his father as greater then himself... That in itself destroys the idea of the trinity...
I study on my own, and i do not stick exclusively to the bible... I study all beliefs, and make my own opinions of them... and unlike most (likely yourself included)... i have NO ONE telling me what is correct and what is not...
This is why i know Truth
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by sacgamer25
If it is easier for you to see the Father, Son and Spirit as completely separate that is acceptable
I did not say that....
they are all a part of God... seperation is an illusion produced by God.
They are not equal to God, because God is all... and nothing in heaven or earth can compare to him.
There is a wonderful term which may help: Ordered Equality.
Careful!
Very much related to the above-- relationship is essential-- and totalitarian authority is a tyrant-- even if it is only oneself.
Which is called "modalism" -- that God manifests Himself, sometimes as the Father, sometimes as the Son, and sometimes as the Holy Spirit-- One God-- three modes of manifestation.
Originally posted by Akragon
Jesus was not God... I said he was a part of God... same as you and i are a part of him...
Originally posted by WarminIndy
Originally posted by Akragon
Jesus was not God... I said he was a part of God... same as you and i are a part of him...
Which part of God is He? And what part of God are we?
Originally posted by WarminIndy
Originally posted by Akragon
Jesus was not God... I said he was a part of God... same as you and i are a part of him...
Which part of God is He? And what part of God are we?
Originally posted by sacgamer25
Originally posted by WarminIndy
Originally posted by Akragon
Jesus was not God... I said he was a part of God... same as you and i are a part of him...
Which part of God is He? And what part of God are we?
And why would we allow this to seperate us?
I think I understand what you say and I am going to give you a some verses. I have not complete decided one way or another but I base a lot of my interpretation on what I see in my six year old
John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John15 1-8 1 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.
5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples
I have always had this thought that God lives in us.
The church teaches that God only lives in believers of Christ. I believe that everyone is born with a seed that seed being the Word of God written on their hearts. Since I believe that Christ is the word so it is his spirit that is that word on our hearts. What I believe Christ is saying is he always remains in us. It is us that choose not to remain in him when we don’t follow his commands.
This is the secret that was hidden, that Christ is in all of us since birth. If we remain in him and do his works at some point he will baptize us himself. So the good news can be summed up by simply saying Christ lives in you and always has.
But the secret has been hidden, and it was Christ himself that hid it. For seeing they did not see, for hearing they did not hear. If everyone knew the truth we would have already seen the end of the age.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by sacgamer25
But the secret has been hidden, and it was Christ himself that hid it. For seeing they did not see, for hearing they did not hear. If everyone knew the truth we would have already seen the end of the age.
This has been going on since he lived... his own followers didn't understand him...
Since the bible has been in mass production for the world... it has not been hidden...