All Roads Lead to Babylon : Mystery Babylon Demystified

reply to post by FoosM


I am watching these videos with much interest,because much of what he says has merit.

However one matter that I have picked up on in which Walter Veith is entirely incorrect about and it shows
that perhaps some of his research is a little flawed or perhaps only scratches the surface.

Also his interpretation of some of the book of Revelation & other prophetic books can be questioned and alternative explanations put forward.

Nevetheless fascinating stuff that backs up entirely this thread and the meanings behind it.

reply to post by EspyderMan

It is much more likely religion is a side-show of politics, more-so then a driver of it. The church and most religious organizations have lost more power in the past 25 years then ever before, leading one to conclude religious holds little significance in today's power structure.

Exactly!

And how did ancient Babylon meet it's end? = By the Medes and the Persian's diverting the waters of the River Euphrates. When the River dried up so that it was only knee high Cyrus led his combined forces along the river bed right into the heart of the City.

The Bible states this was on the very night the King of Babylon Beltshazzar was celebrating his conquests using the utensils that had been stolen from the Temple in Jerusalem. Then that very night the ancient writing appeared on the palace walls miraculously "Mene Mene Tekel Parsin". Daniel who was a Hebrew exile captive in Babylon was summoned to interpret the writing on the wall. He did so telling the King and all his Grandees that their Kingdom would be taken away from them and destroyed that very night. Just as Daniel had interpreted the writing Cyrus destroyed Babylon completely. This is where we get the term "the writing on the wall" to mean something is shown to be imminent.

(Daniel 5:26-28) . . .This is the interpretation of the word: ME′NE, God has numbered [the days of] your kingdom and has finished it. 27 “TE′KEL, you have been weighed in the balances and have been found deficient. 28 “PE′RES, your kingdom has been divided and given to the Medes and the Persians.”

Secular history attests to Cyrus leading the troops of the Medes and the Persians to destroy the ancient City of Babylon.

What's more the Bible prophesised that Babylon the Great City containing one of the seven wonders of the ancient world - the hanging gardens would NEVER be inhabited properly and be a centre of trade. To this date Babylon remains in the main a desolate wasteland. As soon as Sadam Hussein rebuilt it and intended to re-open the City to all as he pronounced himself the reincarnation of King Nebuchadnezzar - along came the US troops who trampled all over his work.... Not to mention what they did to him!

In just the same manner the Bible states that Babylon the Great's Waters would also dry up just like what happened to the River Euphrates at the time when Ancient Babylon was destroyed. Who are these "waters" though that dry up? The book of Revelation leaves us in no doubt -

Revelation 17:15-17 "And he says to me: “The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues. 16 And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire. 17 For God put [it] into their hearts to carry out his thought. . .

Therefore what you have said about Babylonish fuelled Religion gradually losing it's influence over the past 25 years is testimony to those prophetic words coming true. Notice that they (ten horns = governments and the wild beast = UN) strip her of everything and no doubt her extensive property, land & riches may well hasten her end. The governments of the world are broke and perhaps turning on religion and stripping her of her wealth may well be reason enough. ..No one will know until this happens exactly what the trigger is because the Bible doesn't say........We shall just have to wait and see!

Yes while we are learning the skills to make us usefull drones...the elite learn the secrets of harmonics, sacred geometry and divination arts...

aargh Vid won't load,...it must be a off limits or something...

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more corrections

anu-enlil-enki predate, tammuz-nimrod-semiramis.

anu can be etymologically linked to amen (amun).
amen-ra is ea, who is enki.
enki is also, theoretically, the following:
jehovah/yahweh, yeshua (jesus).
enlil is the foundation for the generic god word of mesopotamia, for example

EN.LIL= LIL
LIL= IL
IL = EL
EL = AL

this associates him with EL (singular for elohim, etc)
EL can be found in ugaritic texts frequently (which see).
As EL he is depicted in biblical texts as the god who ordered the flood,
and the god who didn't like humans. As EN.LIL he's associated with the
same thing: 1) ordered the flood, 2) doesn't like humans.
EN.LIL is frequently depicted in conflicts with EN.KI.

EN.KI supposedly created the current strain of homo sapians,
warned a noah like figure of an impending flood and gave him instructions on how to
build an ark to survive it and how to appease the anger of EN.LIL, once EN.LIL learned that any
humans had survived, by building an altar and making a suitable sacrifice to EN.LIL.
EN.KI ordered the destruction of the babel gate, put confusion into the language of man, seemingly to spite
EN.LIL, who was apparently benefitting from universal, one language worship of the people. the bible
version of the story fleshes it out a bit more. EN.KI is repeatedly depicted as a savior
figure of mankind, who likes humans because he created them, and is often seen trying to defend them
from EN.LIL who hates humans.

The confusing part of all this is, EN.LIL's symbol is the crescent moon and star, whereas
EN.KI's symbol is the double helix DNA strand wrapped around a pole, similar to a cross, sometimes
depicted as the tree of life (there's the whole medical thingy, the caduceus, the serpent in the tree, and christ's reference to himself as being lifted up on a wooden pole, like the serpent was lifted up by moses to ward off the seraph(im) that were harrassing the people, the seraph in the example were literal poisonous snakes, so to me it sounds like moses was practicing medicine and indicated where to go to receive cures for snake bites by raising up a pole with a snake wrapped around it, and jesus uses the symbolism of himself as the great physician )

freaky huh?

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by SuperTripps
oh COME ON!!!!

we already know "ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME"

I have no doubt some of the Babylonian/Sumerian religion and beliefs were passed on to surviving societies...bill cooper covers this as well.....

but its pretty obvious who the dominant culture and empire who basically perfected everything all together with the tools of control..and that is ROME and/or the Power behind ROME

PERSIA was a great empire at one time but who took over the world in 1 AD is still in power..and it aint arabs

You are taking the P aren't you? The phrase is a simple one based on the fact that the Roman army built roads wherever they went and conquered to best carry food and munitions. It's got nothing to do with anything else, it's just a phrase.

perhaps you should read the greatest thread ever posted on this board..its in my tagline. what I said here has little to do with roman roads..although the fact they were the ones who built the world's 1st highways should give you a clue who evolved society the most to what closely aligns with how we live today

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hey, what happened to proto?
where he go?

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The point I think though surely is where did the Roman Empire take it's form of worship from?
Babylon that's where ... as had every pagan civilisation subsequent to Nimrod's time.

At first we know that the Roman's hated the Christians, they persecuted them and performend the most equisite tortures on them. None more so than Nero. One of the main contentions was their refusal to woship Caesar and their refusal of military service into the Roman armies. Eventually by the 4th Century CE they gave up because Christianity had become unstoppable.

Instead they decided to nominally abandon their traditional worship of the Roman gods officially..and that this new religion should be adopted as an alternative to maintain their domnion in the form of the Holy Roman Empire However some of the teachings like refusal of military service were NOT adopted in the main. Officially letting in much of their former pagan worship based on Babylonish practices that everyone was well used to made the way to Rome much easier to swallow for non Christians also.

Originally posted by JB1234
reply to post by SuperTripps

 

The point I think though surely is where did the Roman Empire take it's form of worship from?
Babylon that's where ... as had every pagan civilisation subsequent to Nimrod's time.

At first we know that the Roman's hated the Christians, they persecuted them and performend the most equisite tortures on them. None more so than Nero. One of the main contentions was their refusal to woship Caesar and their refusal of military service into the Roman armies. Eventually by the 4th Century CE they gave up because Christianity had become unstoppable.

Instead they decided to nominally abandon their traditional worship of the Roman gods officially..and that this new religion should be adopted as an alternative to maintain their domnion in the form of the Holy Roman Empire However some of the teachings like refusal of military service were NOT adopted in the main. Officially letting in much of their former pagan worship based on Babylonish practices that everyone was well used to made the way to Rome much easier to swallow for non Christians also.

nope, back up some more. it's taken from anu-enlil-enki which predates nimrod or tammuz or semiramis

Good job turning over those stones muzzle, sorry that I don't have more to say about it.

This is definitely new information to me.

And wow, that's a lot to pour over, this is going to take a minute to fully comprehend.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by SuperTripps

 

hey, what happened to proto?
where he go?

banned but has his own site now

reply to post by SuperTripps


Take the idea of Eunuch's

From Wiki: Eunuchs in Ancient Middle East Eunuchs were familiar figures in the Assyrian Empire (ca. 850 till 622 BC) in the court of the Egyptian Pharaohs (down to the Lagid dynasty known as Ptolemies, ending with Cleopatra). Political eunuchism became a fully established institution among the Achamenide Persians.[4] [edit] Ancient Greece, Rome and Byzantium The practice was also well established in Europe among the Greeks and Romans, although a role as court functionaries does not arise until Byzantine times. The Galli or Priests of Cybele were eunuchs.

Roman Eunuchs were often dressed up in long flowing garments more akin to a woman's dress.

This dressing up as a woman originates from ancient pagan religions even though the Roman's practiced this also for their Eunuch's and the priestly class at certain celebrations

Transvestism is found in a majority of ancient priesthoods. Tacitus said the priests of Germanic tribes were muliebri ornatu, men dressed up as women. Norse priests of sunrise and sunset rituals in honor of the Haddingjar (Heavenly Twins) were men whose office demanded that they wear the dress and hairstyles of women. Even Thor, the thunder god, received his magic hammer and was filled with power only after he put on the garments of the goddess Freya and pretended to be a bride.

This Catholic tradition of Men of the Clergy being a seperate class of Priests being unable to marry and dressing in long flowing robes goes back to both Roman practices heralding once again from ancient Babylon.

The Protestant and Orthodox churches also dress their preistly class in women's robes also, so nothing has changed.



Hence why if a disgraced Priest is ex communicated from the Church he is termed to be "defrocked"

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well at that point why is muzzle not talking about sumeria, atlantis, aliens as well

babylon has no bearing on loads of things once ROME took everything...brought it all together into a coherent universal religion and culture that constantly adapts

and look who runs to the world today and who's systems archicterure, and ideologies are they using

rome never went away..just transformed and spread using religion, banking, and other mind tools to grow control

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you can't be serious..just because priests wear robes and pope wears a fish hat..that means everything is all based on babylon and baylon religions---and is actually ruling everything? even today?
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that is the beauty of ROME..they drew from everywhere whether mystery babylon, egyptian, sumerian, masonic templar, essene, gnostic, astrological, astronomy, etc....
so that 99% of the people would see what they want to see and thus never think to question who was behind it as it was so "diversified" in all areas

Originally posted by muzzleflash
The central point of this thread is to reveal that just about all major ancient and contemporary mythologies derive from a single source, the Babylonian 'Mystery School'.

First -- you have to prove that there's a Babylonian 'mystery school' -- some sort of evidence as there is for the Greek mystery schools.

Second, I think you may have some problems showing that Buddhism derives from this source. Ditto the religion of the Aborigines of Australia, the Maori, the Ainu, and many others.

Occult merely means "hidden", and I will show how this 'Babylonian mystery school' is one of the major central secrets of the modern Occult orders and organizations.

You still have to show the evidence. Not hints that could be interpreted many ways -- evidence.

Cush, (son of Ham, or grandson of Noah) was married to Semiramis. They became rulers of the original great city. Cush died but his wife Semiramis gave birth to their son, Nimrod. Semiramis then married Nimrod her son.

That's actually from Hislop and it's not the oldest source on Semiramis. There's ancient records of a queen (including inscriptions) and there's much older manuscripts (including Herodotus.) Cush's wife isn't named, and the historical Semiramis did not marry her son (though she took over her husband's army, apparently, and was co-regent.)

Shem, son of Noah and founder of the Semite lineage, killed Nimrod and cut his body into (12?) pieces. Semiramis told her followers that in order to bring him back to life, she needed to recover these pieces and reconstruct his body. They found all pieces except for one, his genitals.

No, that's the legend of Osiris, Isis, and Horus. This legend is older than the story of Semiramis (who lived about 800 BC.) The real Semiramis might have set herself up as a goddess, but it would have been an Assyrian goddess and not an Egyptian one (since at that time, Egypt and Assyria were constantly fighting.)

Therefore Semiramis told the people that Nimrod had ascended to the Sun and became the "Sun God" named "Ba'al". She then became pregnant with a son, and claimed that the 'rays of the sun god' had impregnated her, and declared she was a virgin. This son's name was Tammuz.

You need to check that timeline. Ba'al is an old name meaning 'god' and the first mention of 'Tammuz' is even older than Semiramis.

Semiramis declared that she was born from an Egg

None of them do. The Armenian legends say that she was the daughter of a fish goddess. They're the ones who associate her with a dove (she was fed by doves as a baby in that legend.)

Her son Tammuz became a hunter

Tammuz (which was not the name of the son of Semiramis) was a shepherd deity

You might want to check the Sacred Texts site which has translations and scholarly works that are fairly ancient. It appears that your research led to a source from the late 1800's -- a source that is known to have made up a lot of things. I'm pretty sure I know the book and have encountered it in many forms. If you started your research with that one, it will lead you on the wrong paths

Remember, these names are found written down in all sorts of ancient documents and on monuments and so forth -- and it's the monuments and clay tablets and manuscripts that are saying things very different than what you claim.

..and you still have to proove a Babylonian Mystery school (which isn't the thing talked about in Revelation. 'Mystery Babylon' there is actually the city of Rome (Revelation very specifically says it's a city.)

7. Titanomachy : The 'new gods' came from 'old gods'.

So "TPTB" are really the entities behind the scenes that whisper in vain mens ears as to how to rule the world and control the most wealth and the most power to feed... the vanity of the "gods"?

Originally posted by SuperTripps
reply to post by JB1234

 

well at that point why is muzzle not talking about sumeria, atlantis, aliens as well

babylon has no bearing on loads of things once ROME took everything...brought it all together into a coherent universal religion and culture that constantly adapts

and look who runs to the world today and who's systems archicterure, and ideologies are they using

rome never went away..just transformed and spread using religion, banking, and other mind tools to grow control

There are far bigger issues than Rome being explained here. We're talking about an entire mechanism of secret societies and the occult and the Mystery of Babylon, which is a fundamental teaching of the Occult. The influence that it has on the entire global mechanism of the Political System, the Commerical System and the Religious System.

Read the thread!

Google "Bohemian Grove" and ask what are the presidents of the US doing attending this ceremony of the Owl.dating back to the Ammonite God Molech and the sacrifice of children by passing them through the fire?!

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it seems like Babylonia is where it all started.

Originally posted by JB1234
reply to post by SuperTripps

 

The point I think though surely is where did the Roman Empire take it's form of worship from?
Babylon that's where ... as had every pagan civilisation subsequent to Nimrod's time.

Actually, their method of worship owes more to the Greeks (who were closer) than the long gone (by the time of the romans) Babylonians. Remember that their empire collapsed and was conquered long before the founding of Rome.

The Romans also didn't like the Assyrian and "eastern" traditions -- they felt they were a "spoiled" people and very arrogant and soft. Cleopatra horrified them when she announced she was a goddess and Anthony, when he wore the clothing of the Arabian peninsula (instead of the strict and formal toga) shocked the Romans.

No, they didn't like those forms of undisciplined worship. Rome was all about discipline.

reply to post by Indellkoffer


so they were more Apollo than Dionysus?
apollo, the god of order
dionysus, the god of chaos.
and around and around we go

Originally posted by JB1234

Originally posted by SuperTripps
reply to post by JB1234

 

well at that point why is muzzle not talking about sumeria, atlantis, aliens as well

babylon has no bearing on loads of things once ROME took everything...brought it all together into a coherent universal religion and culture that constantly adapts

and look who runs to the world today and who's systems archicterure, and ideologies are they using

rome never went away..just transformed and spread using religion, banking, and other mind tools to grow control

There are far bigger issues than Rome being explained here. We're talking about an entire mechanism of secret societies and the occult and the Mystery of Babylon, which is a fundamental teaching of the Occult. The influence that it has on the entire global mechanism of the Political System, the Commerical System and the Religious System.

Read the thread!

Google "Bohemian Grove" and ask what are the presidents of the US doing attending this ceremony of the Owl.dating back to the Ammonite God Molech and the sacrifice of children by passing them through the fire?!

i did read the thread and have dd'd babylon stuff before as well as sumeria. i'm well aware at all the god, mother, son parallels and even same model as christ...in multiple religions or cults

why can't we admit there are loads of pagan cults. Why does Babylon have to be the one that is still ruling today?

what i see is more of ROME x 100 in 2012 more than any other civilization. so we are basically the Roman Empire 2012 today more than Babylon Empire 2012 and that is really why..."all roads lead to rome"

sad because there plan worked out because everyone wants to blame or assign reason to some other society or cult for "really controlling things"