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Originally posted by muzzleflash
A very interesting youtube video:
1) That the "Romans" purposely perverted the truth by overwhelming all references to the original thesis of Jesus with overt polytheistic practices/symbolism (in order to subvert the anarchist ideas and regain or maintain control of the masses as the ideals spread).
2) That they invented most of it as a result of paganism in the first place.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by borntowatch
And the fact that Babylon didnt exist till @ 2000 bc doesnt reflect poorly on it being the foundation all this ANE culture.
It was expected that you would know I was referring to Ancient Sumeria.
Sumer was first settled between 4500 and 4001 BC
That's 6000+ years ago.
Also I said explicitly this isn't what I believe but instead what the Occult Orders / Organizations believe as far as I can tell. I wanted to use the name Babylon because in the Occult they all call it "Mystery Babylon" as does the Bible and other references. It is a cool way to name the thread too, and easily identifiable.edit on 2-1-2012 by muzzleflash because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Josephus23
I have not logged into my account at ATS since May of last year.
For those who know me or can read between the lines of this post, it should be obvious why I have not logged in as well as why I have chosen to do so to comment on this post.
I will pay respects to this thread, but also offer criticism due to the very obvious (and I will choose to use the word respect) respect paid to the All Roads Lead to Rome thread authored by he who shall not be named.
This topic was one that was argued at length in the afformentioned thread and I was initially on the side of Mystery Babylon; however, it would pay to apply the rule of ockham's razor to this theory.
I do hold your opinion in high regards, muzzleflash, as we have often fallen on the same side of many an argument.
With that said, I find it much more likely, and simple, that Rome and their paid for lackeys have molded the many myths and beliefs of ancient civilations, or history as we have so named it, to fit their version of religion in order to manifest a common religious belief.
And a common religious belief is necessary for the implementation of a world governed by one entity.
The flood myth is a crux to define the validity of either theory because it is found in some odd 800 plus civilations and would have had to have been the product of one of three circumstances.
1- It actually happened.
2- The priests of mystery babylon infiltrated the many world cultures to manipulate their beliefs to match the mythology of the mysteries.
3- Rome's paid historians have manipulated history in order to match each respective civilization's mythology to match that of Rome.
I personally find the 3rd possibility the most likely, and thus the most simple and easily attainable.
The plight of John Allegro and the Dead Sea Scrolls gives one an idea of why.
Link to story of John Allegroedit on 1/2/2012 by Josephus23 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by EspyderMan
It is much more likely religion is a side-show of politics, more-so then a driver of it. The church and most religious organizations have lost more power in the past 25 years then ever before, leading one to conclude religious holds little significance in today's power structure.
This basically decimates the "All Roads Lead to Rome" theory.
Sure there is a lot of facts that might support this theory but not one fact that proves it, why that topic got so much heat/popularity is beyond me. Simple people like complex explanations I guess.
Originally posted by something wicked
reply to post by muzzleflash
Wow, you surmised all this in a week? Interesting. There's a lot you have posted here that I will look over, but the Mona Lisa piece? It's historically known who he was painting and I'm afraid that is a little bit of a weak link. Whether you think this is a coincidence is a little pointless - he was commissioned to paint a lady and did so, anything else is nothing but speculation - would you agree?
Originally posted by EspyderMan
Not to insult you but this is grasping for straws, this is why this kind of assumption belongs on ATS and not in a science/history book.
Moloch has often been identified with Milcom, the god of the Ammonites. He was probably also identified with Baal, and as a sun or fire god, as he was also identified with the Assyrian/Babylonian "Malik", and at Palmyra "Malach-bel". Moloch is also identified with Baal Hammon in Carthaginian religion. Milton writes of him in Paradise Lost "First, Moloch, horrid King, besmeared with blood Of human sacrifice, and parents’ tears; Though, for the noise of drums and timbrels loud, Their children’s cries unheard that passed through fire To his grim idol. Him the Ammonite Worshiped in Rabba and her watery plain, In Argob and in Basan, to the stream Of utmost Arnon. Nor content with such Audacious neighbourhood, the wisest heart Of Solomon he led by fraud to build His temple right against the temple of God On that opprobrious hill, and made his grove The pleasant valley of Hinnom, Tophet thence And black Gehenna called, the type of Hell." - Paradise Lost, i. 391-405
Bohemian Grove Employee Blows the Whistle on Inside Events: "Described as the 'Greatest Men's Party on Earth,' the members of the Bohemian Club and international elites have been gathering in their redwoods for over 100 years. Regular visitors include the Bushes, Henry Kissinger, Colin Powell, Newt Gingrich, whilst past luminaries have included Former Presidents Regan and Nixon, together BEFORE they had even taken office.... [P]ast luminaries have included Former Presidents Regan and Nixon, together BEFORE they had even taken office.... "The most famous ritual that occurs at the Grove every year is the Symbolic Pagan Worship of Molech – the ‘god’ of Child Sacrifice. ... [P]olitical figureheads from around the world attend this sacrifice ceremony. German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt wrote of his fondness for the Grove ceremonies in his Biography 'Men and Power'.... Former President Richard Nixon is on record questioning the activities at the Grove, making reference to the debase, decadent attitude as well as the homosexual activity there." See A Twist of Faith - Chapter 7