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All Roads Lead to Babylon : Mystery Babylon Demystified

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posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 04:23 AM
reply to post by muzzleflash

Explanation: S&F!

This is AWESOME! Well done!

Personal Disclosure: Bumping this thread for Justice!

posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 04:46 AM
Good thread, and it merely repeats what the Bible states, that Satan is the temporary God of this world.

Spoiler alert ******

The story ends with Satan being defeated at the return of Jesus Christ. Satan is the God of this world, and is the one linking thread to all the 'secret societies', bogus non experimental 'science', and obvious attempts to debunk Christianity.

posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 04:47 AM
reply to post by Unity_99

Very interesting and deep links you posted there! It will take a lot of time to go through this stuff, but thank you I will come back often and look through what you have referenced.

I saw a mention on the second link to "Lemuria (Mu)". The "lost continent of the Pacific / Indian ocean".

But also we have the ancient Roman festival of Lemuria (festival) which bears the same name.

In the Julian calendar the three days of the feast were 9, 11, and 13 May. The myth of origin of this ancient festival, according to Ovid, who derives Lemuria from a supposed Remuria

Ovid notes that at this festival it was the custom to appease or expel the evil spirits by walking barefoot and throwing black beans over the shoulder at night. It was the head of the household who was responsible for getting up at midnight and walking around the house with bare feet throwing out black beans and repeating the incantation, "I send these; with these beans I redeem me and mine (haec ego mitto; his redimo meque meosque fabis.)." nine times. The household would then clash bronze pots while repeating, "Ghosts of my fathers and ancestors, be gone!"[3] nine times.

According to cultural historians,[4] this ancient custom was Christianized in the feast of All Saints' Day, established in Rome first on May 13, in order to de-paganize the Roman Lemuria

Just something I thought you may find interesting.
I don't think there is any direct relation to the two however as the origins of the term listed in this wiki seem to attribute it to a different source.

posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 04:58 AM
Oh and in relation to international banking cartels, I need to put something else out here about how the hierarchy works under the United Nations system.

We always like to talk about the Federal Reserve Bank, which is one of the many "Central Banks" (of which almost every nation on Earth has one except a few). Wiki - Central Banking

And I always like to point out that "Central Banks" are controlled by the World Bank and International Monetary Fund, but there is an even higher tier in the hierarchy that no one ever mentions around here.

The Bank of International Settlements or "BIS" for short.

So it works like this :
Central banks ----> World Bank / IMF ----> BIS

Now check this out (from the wiki):

During the period 1933–45, the board of directors of the BIS included Walter Funk, a prominent Nazi official, and Emil Puhl, who were both convicted at the Nuremberg trials after World War II, as well as Herman Schmitz the director of IG Farben and Baron von Schroeder, the owner of the J.H.Stein Bank, the bank that held the deposits of the Gestapo. There were allegations that the BIS had helped the Germans loot assets from occupied countries during World War II.


A "well-designed financial safety net, supported by strong prudential regulation and supervision, effective laws that are enforced, and sound accounting and disclosure regimes," are among the Bank's goals. In fact they have been in its mandate since its founding in 1930 as a means to enforce the Treaty of Versailles.

The BIS has historically had less power to enforce this "safety net" than it deems necessary. Recent head Andrew Crockett has bemoaned its inability to "hardwire the credit culture," despite many specific attempts to address specific concerns such as the growth of Offshore Financial Centres (OFCs), Highly Leveraged Institutions (HLIs), Large and Complex Financial Institutions (LCFIs), deposit insurance and especially the spread of money laundering and accounting scandals.

The BIS provides the Basel Committee on Banking Supervision with its twelve-member secretariat, and with it has played a central role in establishing the Basel Capital Accords of 1988 and 2004.

Basel Committee on Banking Supervision
Basel Accords

There are some major conspiracies right here under our noses! Who knew?

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posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 06:20 AM
reply to post by muzzleflash

Many thanks for your response to my post.

Firstly In reply to your query on Psalm 82:6 "I said, “You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High"

The Most High was YHWH Jehovah - The nation of Israel at first was ruled by human judges, who acted as Jehovah's representatives and spokesman on earth or human "gods". This scripture is referring to those Israelites who were acting with a degree of God given authority over the Hebrew nation. Note that gods is spelled with a small "g"

Jesus actually himself quoted from this scripture at John 10:33-36,when the Jewish leaders were conspiring to have him put to death for so called blasphemy for claiming to be God's son.

"The Jews answered him: “We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy, even because you, although being a man, make yourself a god.” 34 Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “YOU are gods”’? 35 If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came, and yet the Scripture cannot be nullified, 36 do YOU say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme because I said, I am God’s Son?"

Jesus, the angels and humans at times are referred to as gods in the Bible, however none of them are referred to as Almighty God. That description belonged to the only true God יְהֹוָה Jehovah. That name appears over 6,000 times in the Hebrew text and is quoted many times in the Christian Greek/Aramaic scriptures also.

The Hebrew worship of the one True God seperated them from all the other centres of worship at the time as you will know their basic tenets were in marked contrast to the Semitic, Canaanite nations that surrounded them. Such as the worship of Pagan God's such as Baal, Marduch & Tammuz etc

On many occasions the Bible does not hold back from stating that the Israelites polluted their worship by turning to these God's against Jehovah, during the time of the Judges and also the time when they were ruled by a Kings from Saul's time write down to Zedekiah.

posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 06:33 AM
reply to post by muzzleflash

Secondly you mentioned the scripture at Jeremiah 23:24

I disagree that the Bible teaches that the Creator is omnipresent.

This scripture was talking to unfaithful religious teachers who thought they could conceal themselves from what was really happening. The entire book of Jeremiah is a pronouncement against the unfaithful ones of Judah who had turned against true worship and had instead turned to pagan practices. Jehovah termed this as spiritual immorality. Nothing could be hidden from him as he had filled heaven and the earth with means to know what was going on. ie he dispatched angels to keep and eye on matters.

In contrast the Bible does teach that Jehovah has a place where he resides -

1 Kings 8:49 . . ."you must also hear from the heavens, your established place of dwelling, their prayer and their request for favor, and you must execute judgment for them"

Jesus himself said of his departure from John 16:28 "I came out from the Father and have come into the world. Further, I am leaving the world and am going my way to the Father.” If God was omnipresent why would Jesus state that he was going his way to his Father? The only conclusion is that he must have a spiritual location within the Universe.
Paul also refers to Jesus going to a definitive location within the Universe - Hebrews 9:24 . . ."For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us"

Many thanks also for the links also I will look at them with interest.

posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 07:21 AM

Originally posted by JB1234

You know what that looks like in English?


Which means "lord, king, ruler, etc" in various connotations.

Check out my etymological research on this term in:
This post

Supposedly Nimrod equated with the terminology = Nin = Ninus = Ninu = Sargon = Min = Mina = Minas = Mino = Minos

And the follow up post : here

posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 07:48 AM
reply to post by muzzleflash

Muz, there is a VERY good book, with LOTS of facts and very little speculation, I think You would like to investigate. It was published in the 1970's, but offers great insight into the origins of the Babylonian myths - and even ties it in with the Dogon tribe in Africa with facts.

The book is called The Sirius Mystery by Robert Temple. It is available as a PDF on the web.

I think You will develop a greater sense of what this all means.

posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 07:55 AM
Also since I am afraid many may overlook or fail to find my earlier explanations about "Lucifer" in the other thread on page 16, I will go ahead and reiterate a little bit about it here because I find it important as there is a lot of confusion about this terminology.

Luna etymology

luna late 14c. as an alchemical name for "silver;" 1520s as "moon," from L. luna "moon," from *leuksna- (cf. O.C.S. luna "moon," O.Pruss. lauxnos "stars," M.Ir. luan "light, moon"), from the same source as lux, lumen "light," lucere "to shine" (see light (n.)). The luna moth (1884) so called for the crescent-shaped markings on its wings.

Remember a large majority of the names of Semiramis are deities associated with "The Morning Star" or "The Evening Star". Which can refer to Venus or also sometimes the Moon.
Lucere is very close to "Lucifer" and sounds similar.

Reiterating a few quotes by me that reveal my ideas on this distinction.

It represents the night aspect, although it contains reference to light which may appear misleading somewhat. The "morning star" is differentiated from the "daytime star" which is Sol.

Lucere and Sol both represent light, but one is dimmer than the other. You could be in the darkest room but there is still light, sensitive equipment would detect it. Our eyes just don't collect as much light as other animals which can see better in 'dark' conditions, such as cats. Also there light spectrum is composed of far more detectable wavelengths than "visible" light. So light exists everywhere, despite our failure to detect it.

This is the two aspects all all things, day and night, positive and negative, + and -, polarity, etc. Luna and Sol. I sense that there is much confusion involved within our contemporary understanding of language and the associations we apply to things, and it is seemingly indoctrinated into us through tradition.

So actually "Lucifer" is feminine, not masculine.
And about Baphomet

" It can be taken in fact, to represent any of the major harmonious dichotomies of the cosmos. It first appeared in 11th and 12th century Latin and Provençal as a corruption of "Mahomet", the Latinisation of "Muhammad"".

Baphomet is symbolized as a Hermaphrodite (Hermes + Aphrodite).
It is a combination of the feminine and masculine aspects.
"Baphomet" means "Praised" or "Praise-worthy".

posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 07:56 AM
reply to post by muzzleflash

יְהֹוָה is the Hebrew tetragrammaton for YHWH not NIN

From Wiki:

Hebrew: Letter name: Pronunciation
י Yodh "Y"
ה He "H"
ו Waw "W", or placeholder for "O"/"U" vowel (see mater lectionis)
ה He "H" (or often a silent letter at the end of a word)

Some people prefer Yahweh, however the traditional pronounciation in English as well as other languages is Jehovah.

Shortened version "Jah" as in Hallelujah or "praise Jah"

The earliest mention of the sacred name for God in Sumerian texts, so far found is the Mesha Stele, which dates from about 840BCE.

This Stele on display in the Louvre Museum in Paris commemorates Mesha's victories over "Omri" King of Israel of the "house of David". Mesha was referred to in the Bible as King of the Moabites and attests that he "revolted against the King of Israel" 2 Kings 3:4-6

NIMROD in comparision founded the practice of opposition to the worship of Almighty God - YHWH

Son of Cush. (1Ch 1:10) The rabbinic writings derived the name Nimrod from the Hebrew verb ma‧radh′, meaning “rebel.” Thus, the Babylonian Talmud (Erubin 53a) states: “Why, then, was he called Nimrod? Because he stirred up the whole world to rebel (himrid) against His [God’s] sovereignty.”—Encyclopedia of Biblical Interpretation, by Menahem M. Kasher, Vol. II, 1955, p. 79.

Nimrod was the founder and king of the first empire to come into existence after the Flood. He distinguished himself as a mighty hunter “before” (in an unfavorable sense; Heb., liph‧neh′; “against” or “in opposition to”; compare Nu 16:2; 1Ch 14:8; 2Ch 14:10) or “in front of” Jehovah. (Ge 10:9, ftn) Although in this case some scholars attach a favorable sense to the Hebrew preposition meaning “in front of,” the Jewish Targums, the writings of the historian Josephus, and also the context of Genesis chapter 10 suggest that Nimrod was a mighty hunter in defiance of Jehovah.

The beginning of Nimrod’s kingdom included the cities of Babel, Erech, Accad, and Calneh, all in the land of Shinar. (Ge 10:10) Therefore it was likely under his direction that the building of Babel and its tower began. This conclusion is also in agreement with the traditional Jewish view. Wrote Josephus: “[Nimrod] little by little transformed the state of affairs into a tyranny, holding that the only way to detach men from the fear of God was by making them continuously dependent upon his own power. He threatened to have his revenge on God if He wished to inundate the earth again; for he would build a tower higher than the water could reach and avenge the destruction of their forefathers. The people were eager to follow this advice of [Nimrod], deeming it slavery to submit to God; so they set out to build the tower . . . and it rose with a speed beyond all expectation.”—Jewish Antiquities, I, 114, 115 (iv, 2, 3).

It appears that after the building of the Tower of Babel, Nimrod extended his domain to the territory of Assyria and there built “Nineveh and Rehoboth-Ir and Calah and Resen between Nineveh and Calah: this is the great city.” (Ge 10:11, 12; compare Mic 5:6.) Since Assyria evidently derived its name from Shem’s son Asshur, Nimrod, as a grandson of Ham, must have invaded Shemite territory. So it would seem that Nimrod made the start in becoming a mighty one or hero, not only as a hunter of animals but also as a warrior, a man of aggression. (Ge 10:8) Observes the Cyclopaedia by M’Clintock and Strong: “That the mighty hunting was not confined to the chase is apparent from its close connection with the building of eight cities. . . . What Nimrod did in the chase as a hunter was the earlier token of what he achieved as a conqueror. For hunting and heroism were of old specially and naturally associated . . . The Assyrian monuments also picture many feats in hunting, and the word is often employed to denote campaigning. . . . The chase and the battle, which in the same country were connected so closely in aftertimes, may therefore be virtually associated or identified here. The meaning then will be, that Nimrod was the first after the flood to found a kingdom, to unite the fragments of scattered patriarchal rule, and consolidate them under himself as sole head and master; and all this in defiance of Jehovah, for it was the violent intrusion of Hamitic power into a Shemitic territory.”—1894, Vol. VII, p. 109.

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posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 08:05 AM

Originally posted by JB1234
reply to post by muzzleflash

יְהֹוָה is the Hebrew tetragrammaton for YHWH not NIN

You made a good post thanks for the additional information. I appreciate your contributions.

I understand what you are saying, and I was speaking mostly 'tongue-in-cheek' and intended mostly humorously.

However, don't you find it to be quite a magnificent coincidence that NIN (meaning Lord, Ruler, etc) also shares a similar meaning with YHWH which many people refer to as "Lord"? I think that's a mighty coincidence in itself.

Perhaps that is why they said 'Nimrod" was rebellious and arrogant? Because he was referring to himself as the 'Lord' ? I don't know, just a interesting correlation I thought you would find really funny.

posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 08:21 AM
reply to post by Amaterasu

Thanks for the book suggestion. I'll check it out when I get a chance.

I had some interesting revelations about Sirius in this post on pg 17 linking to another great ATS thread that you may also remember from a while back. Worth looking into that thread if you haven't already.

Also I want to add that yes indeed, Sirius has some very deep and varied connections to the Occult mythology and there are all kinds of rumors about occult rituals dealing with this issue. Some of those rumors claim that "blue people" come from Sirius, and are equated with "Djinn or Jinn" which are also usually depicted as blue. I don't know what to believe about any of this but there are indeed some very compelling connections to be made in all of these claims.

Here is a funny bit of circular logic that will hopefully make you laugh:

Gypsies believe through legend that they are of Egyptian lineage, and are also referred to as Bohemian. In Bohemian Grove there is statue of the Owl, usually equated with Moloch the 'deity of sacrifice'. In that post on page 17 in that thread I brought up the thread where it shows the Pyramids at Giza line up perfectly as Orion's Belt and point to where Sirius is, Mostafa Mahmoud Square in Cairo. At the Square is a huge building shaped just like an Owl, and it is Blue colored. Get it? Anyways, haha.

posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 08:26 AM

Originally posted by Shieldmaker
It dosen't take a genius to realize that Revelations Chapter 18, is referring to the United States in some form.

That is, unless you disregard the prophecy of John. Which i don't.

This thread attests that the whole of mankind's beleif structure outside the Biblical teaching of a mono theistic deity - The Creator - can ALL be traced back to ancient Babylon.

Professor Morris Jastrow, Jr., in his work The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria (1898, pp. 699-701), says regarding this: “In the ancient world, prior to the rise of Christianity, Egypt, Persia, and Greece felt the influence of the Babylonian religion. . . . In Persia, the Mithra cult reveals the unmistakable influence of Babylonian conceptions; and if it be recalled what a degree of importance the mysteries connected with this cult acquired among the Romans, another link will be added connecting the ramifications of ancient culture with the civilization of the Euphrates Valley.” In conclusion he refers to “the profound impression made upon the ancient world by the remarkable manifestations of religious thought in Babylonia and by the religious activity that prevailed in that region.”

Babylon’s religious influence is traced eastward to India in the book New Light on the Most Ancient East, by archaeologist V. Childe (1957, p. 185). Among other points he states: “The swastika and the cross, common on stamps and plaques, were religious or magical symbols as in Babylonia and Elam in the earliest prehistoric period, but preserve that character also in modern India as elsewhere.” Thus, ancient Babylon’s religious influence spread out to many peoples and nations, much farther and with greater potency and endurance than did her political strength.

Therefore when the book of Revelation refers to "Babylon the Great" it is surely referring to the World Empire of False Religion.

By deduction:

1. Babylon the Great is described as a woman and a harlot arrayed in purple and scarlet, richly adorned, and sitting upon a scarlet-colored wild beast having seven heads and ten horns. Upon her forehead a name is written, “a mystery: ‘Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth.’” She is also depicted as sitting on “many waters” representing “peoples and crowds and nations and tongues

Those "beasts" are identified as political kingdoms and in the book of Daniel it's easy to identify the Anglo Americal World power as the two horned beast as the modern day King of the South.

The beasts of the earth or governments are prophesised to turn on this world empire of false religion as we've been discussing in another thread on ATS

The UN & World Governments to turn on False Religion

2. The symbol of a harlot or a fornicatrix is used frequently in the Hebrew Scriptures. The nation of Israel was warned against entering into covenant relations with the nations of Canaan because this would lead them to commit “immoral intercourse or “play the harlot,” with their gods.” (Ex 34:12-16) Both Israel and Judah apostatized from the true worship of Jehovah God and were condemned by him as having engaged in harlotry, prostituting themselves to the political nations and their gods. (Isa 1:21; Jer 3:6-10, 13; Eze 16:15-17, 28, 29, 38; Ho 6:10; 7:11; 8:9, 10)

3. An additional significant factor is that when Babylon the Great goes down under the devastating attack of the ten horns of the symbolic wild beast, her fall is mourned by her companions in fornication, the kings of the earth, and also by the merchants and shippers who dealt with her in supplying luxurious commodities and gorgeous fineries

4. A further distinguishing characteristic of Babylon the Great is her drunkenness, she being pictured as “drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.” (Re 17:4, 6; 18:24; 19:1, 2) She thus is the spiritual counterpart of the ancient city of Babylon, expressing the same enmity toward the true people of God. How many wars throughout mankind's history can be attributed to "religion"?

5. Mourning her downfall we read "and no light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; because your traveling merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled.”—Revelation 18:22, 23. - Marriages have tended to held in places of worship across the globe. Top ranking men of the Earth have also indeed used religion for their own ends.

After the destruction of Babylon the Great, the kings of the earth evidently come to realize how useful she was to them. She provided a religious front for their oppressive deeds. Babylon the Great also helped them in recruiting youths for the battlefields. Moreover, she played an important part in keeping people in subjection.

posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 08:34 AM
reply to post by muzzleflash

Oh it's OK the Hebrew characters do look like N but actually the are a repeat of the consonant H.

Nimrod basically stuck his two fingers up at God and said I'll do it my way!

This is an absolutely fascinating thread and I'm busy checking out ALL of the links and posts for some more gems.

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posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 08:36 AM
Before I go to sleep I want to reiterate a few of the important links and ask everyone to please look them up outside of Wikipedia, Youtube them, Google them, whatever. Just go down these rabbit holes deeper.

The "Two Pillars" - Boaz and Jachin
Look up the "Nexus" in relation to the Occult.
Look up "The Veil" and what it means to 'pierce' or 'pass through' the 'Veil' in rituals.

Check out this Phosphorus-Eosphoros

a name meaning "Light-Bringer", is the Morning Star, the planet Venus in its morning appearance.

Which is another connection with "Lucifer" and the planet Venus.

Look into what the "Mes" are and how they relate in myth.

the decrees of the gods foundational to those social institutions, religious practices, technologies, behaviors, mores, and human conditions that make civilization, as the Sumerians understood it, possible.

Djed because I didn't link it in this thread but I meant to earlier and forgot.

And here is how the hierarchy of the Roman Priesthood (Roman state religion) was set up:
College of Pontiffs

Pontifex Maximus
Quindecimviri sacris faciundis

All of this was mostly in my other thread but I am putting it here since it's really important stuff.

I will also point out Mithras and the "Secret Cult" in Rome.
Check out the parallels with all of the OP information.
Mithraic Mysteries
This is really deep and has tons of connections to be discovered within it.
Enjoy the reading everyone, now I am off to take a nap.

posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 09:23 AM
reply to post by muzzleflash

I remember someone telling me that the word "religion" is ancient babylonian meanin to relign or to bring back. Not sure if this mean anything to you. It was used in the context of: to relign or bring back to babel.

posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 09:34 AM
S+F, and not only because I helped come up with the name! ;D

This is the epitome of what I would like to see more of here at ATS: well-researched, lots of sources, informative, a new topic that has not been exhaustively discussed before . . .

1) I enjoyed your retelling of the Semiramis/Nimrod myth, but even more
2) your work on comparative mythology. I believe that comparative mythology and religion, when taken into account with the principles of Euhemerism, can reveal much about the prehistoric times of ancient civilizations and the movement of ideas via migration, trade and evolution.

In conclusion, I state that this post, when viewed in conjunction with several of your other posts (seen in Section VIII) and the alluded All Roads Lead to Rome (by ProtoplasmicTraveler), the average person, with no outside knowledge, would be able to see the meat and bones of how our society and the Shadow Government that runs it operate outside of common knowledge.

Or, for those too lazy to read the above:
This is definitely going into my bookmarks!


posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 09:41 AM
reply to post by muzzleflash

Following his conversion to Christianity, C. S. Lewis believed that the resurrection of Jesus belonged in this category of myths, with the additional property of having actually happened: "If God chooses to be mythopoeic—and is not the sky itself a myth—shall we refuse to be mythopathic?"

I would like to point out a simple fact. All archetypal Christian events were played out in the minds of men before the culminating events of Christ's death, burial and resurrection took place. Why is this true? What purpose did the mystery schools serve? The answer to this is more than obvious when you fill in the excluded middle.

There are two forces at work in the minds of men for the last 6000 years. One force is there as a balance against the second. Both have a motive and a purpose in the larger scope and sequence of the overall destiny of men. The Dead Sea Scrolls defines this in detail. Consider the motive of the powers and principalities that are eager to take God's great work in man away from Him. Further, consider the artifacts from the pre-flood history that we possess, and more importantly, the ones that were lost in the library of Alexandria. God has foreknowledge and will always release his prophetic words to man. These words are then counterfeited and mimicked. This is the motivation of the powers who are against God's work with the destiny and character of man. The central story of man can be seen clearly within this framework. Knowing this first, we see the other parts clearly. The mystery schools were a way to refocus man's mind away from God. This, then, becomes the central story of man: The struggle to take truth from error.

Our destiny is to defeat error by our own work, guided by God in the process. The lives we live over the centuries is a development of sentience. It is a struggle to overcome an enemy by the leading of God through the 3 ages of history.

Consider this text from the DSS.

13. A text belonging to the Instructor, who is to enlighten and teach all the Sons of Light about the character and fate of humankind:
14. all their spiritual varieties with accompanying signs, all their deeds generation by generation, and their visitation for afflictions together with
15. eras of peace. All that is now and ever shall be originates with the God of knowledge. Before things come to be, He has ordered all their designs,
16. so that when they do come to exist—at their appointed times as ordained by His glorious plan—they fulfill their destiny, a destiny impossible to change.

Understand the central story and then divide the light from the darkness. As one of the WIKIs you linked points out, only Christ actually accomplished the rising part of the overall revelation. The counterfeiter tried to copy the revelation as a way to divert man away from the central story. It failed. We are now at the end of this saga of mankind and we see the fruit of what Christ accomplished. The thread of truth runs clearly from one end of history to the other. Along the way, the counterfeit message failed at every step. What you have revealed here is a good look at the failure as it attempted to divert the destiny of God's overarching plan. You did a good job of pointing out the facts, but knowing the excluded middle fills in the rest by motive. See it clearly.

23. Until now the spirits of truth and perversity have contended within the human heart.
24. All people walk in both wisdom and foolishness. As is a person’s endowment of truth and righteousness, so shall he hate perversity; conversely, in proportion to bequest in the lot of evil, one will act wickedly and
25. abominate truth. God has appointed these spirits as equals until the time of decree and renewal. He foreknows the outworking of their deeds for all the ages
26. [of eternity. ] He has granted them dominion over humanity, so imparting knowledge of good [and evil, de]ciding the fate of every living being by the measure of which spirit predominates in [ ] visitation.

The decree and renewal are at the event horizon now. We can clearly see the two forces in balance. Here is one example:

God created man and woman to come together to form new life. How has this union been counterfeited? God designed man to have a soul and a spirit. The spirit is the part of God that travels this wilderness accompanying man as he learns. The union here is intended for man to love God along the path and the two become one new creation. How has this process of development in the womb of the earth been counterfeited?

The excluded middle of this entire process is to see the motive of each side. One is out for the good of mankind by designing destiny. One is there to be the force to overcome. The beast is man himself. Overcoming the Beast of 666 There are three levels to overcome. Personal, National and Global.

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posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 09:59 AM
reply to post by OmegaLogos

There is yet another way to see this so clearly. There is no mistaking it.

Consider this. Meditate on this for a few minutes to see clearly.

Can we say that there are truths that we can see today from error? Can we then take a look at movies, fiction and drama to see these played out in various forms to the public? Does this change the central truth that we know is behind it all? Can we clearly see motivation to sway man's mind one direction or another? Does this fit our model of one central truth: Good vs. Evil and the struggle to overcome in exchange for love? Isn't this the central story of all our own myths and fictions? Why do we mimic this in ALL stories? Simple: It's part of our DNA to see it clearly.

As we approach a singularity of knowledge and population, we clearly see all myths being sifted for the one truth. Jesus is that single life that overcame the grave. Apart from this, there is no other achievement worth mentioning by comparison.

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posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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Bookmarking and saying a quick thank you for your work. Really looking forward to reading this.

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