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Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by Cosmic4life
Iran is trying to become more independent with respect to its military equipment. They usually reverse engineer and copy equipment from North Korea, China, and Russia. Only the less sophisticated equipment is of Irani design and manufacture. They will improve with time if they are permitted to do so by their theocratic government. Generally, they buy and rename the equipment. Their patrol craft, save for the smaller types, are Chinese The favored islamic guard IRGCN units seem to be more fanatical than professional and the skilled warriors of the IRIN seem to be less fanatic. Perhaps the IRIN sees suicide speedboats as just a ploy for the Irani government to avoid paying retirement benefits.
Their three Kilo class submarines will soon need refits but those are still capable boats and would probably be used in the Gulf of Oman. The four Yono and one Nahang are more modern. The Vosper corvettes are old and would likely face the same fate as that of the Sahand. While the swarms of minimissile boats and the North Korean semisubmersible GAHJAE- and KAJAMI-class craft would be problematic, it is my opinion that mines would be the actual threat to transit through the straits. Along with the Kilo class boats came a batch of sea mines. These are replicable for the most part by Iran and they likley have several thousand stockpiled. Mining or even the show of mining will close the straits until they are swept and modern sea mines make sweeping difficult.
All this discussion is just that. There is no reason for Iran to shut the straits and politically, it would not be a good idea for them to do so without agreement by the other countries bordering the Persian Gulf. There is no reason for the US to do anything other than to ensure that the freedom of the seas is not restricted by anyone. The US takes this seriously and has no intention of acquiescing to such a closure. The threat of doing so helps convince the world that Iran, under the present leadership that claims to know the mind of God, should not be permitted to have nuclear weapons lest interpretations of ancient scriptures tell the leaders that God wants them to nuke some infidels somewhere and bring an end to the world. If they can send out their children as suicide bombers, they are capable of anything.
ETA: It would be interesting to see a reference to your claimed thermate artillery rounds. They really have no reason to exist, as hitting a target with an HE round would be far more effective and much faster. Of course, thermite/ate grenades exist for disabling artillery pieces by infantry actions. A thermite grenade in a closed breech will end the usefulness of the gun.
edit on 1/2/2012 by pteridine because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Cosmic4life
This has been an excellent dialogue pteridine, it makes a pleasant change to the usual banter, you are well informed and i look forward to future discussions with you.
And as you say, in all likelihood this scenario will not play out, that is as long as common sense prevails.
It would be detrimental to all parties, there would no winners and a whole world of losers at the economic level.
There are a few issues which i think we will agree to dis-agree.
I do not believe anyone has the right to dictate who can have nukes and who cannot.
As regards Iran, the doctrine of MAD would apply as it does to any other nuclear power.
I know Thermate shells exist as i served in the Royal Artillery during the cold war, they have their tactical uses and would be used alongside other shells to make the Soviet advance erm...hellish.
And lastly Iranian law prohibits the recruitment of those under 16, the Iranian boy in question lied about his age to join the fight, his name is Muhammad Husayn Fahmida, his story deserves attention.
Originally posted by Cosmic4life
reply to post by pteridine
As i said before which you clearly decided to overlook, the boy in question.
1. lied about his age to join as Iranian law prohibits those under 16.
2.he was not ordered to do anything, he took it upon himself.
We were having a factual debate until you slid into anti-Iranian mode, your last paragraph makes it abundantly clear.
I do not know what particular beef you have with Iran but it is clear to me that it is affecting your objectivity.
We were discussing Iran's potential to counter the Carrier group in which the tenacity of the homeland defender becomes an asset, this led me to tell the story of the boy in question.
This thread is not about the Mullahs or Islam or your particular opinion of the current Iranian governing bodies.