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Is Christianity Really Brainwashing?

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posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 10:59 AM
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Aeons, Here is a good example of what I'm talking about. This is from the New Testament so all you people that only focus on the New Testament can breathe a sigh of relief
Here is the passage from 1 Corinthians 14:35

>>>If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.




posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:00 AM
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You ask some interesting questions and make some valid points. As a Christian (one who follows the teachings and example of Jesus Christ) I try to follow the teachings and mandates of Holy Scripture. I can't speak for the whole of Christendom but as for myself I not only question my faith but study other faiths as well. For me ultimately my concience is God in that it rules my actions. I dont follow many of the teachings of the OT but I do try to keep the sabbath holy and honor my parents and those who came before me. I often times see things and believe as Gandhi once did ---"Religions are different roads converging to the same point. What does it matter that we take a different road, so long as we reach the same goal. Wherein is the cause for quarreling?"

I worship God as Love and Truth. I dont have the answer to many of your questions and querries but I know what my conciece tells me. All I can really tell you is that a man can be a Christian and not really be one if you know what I mean. Have you ever heard the expression "Don't judge a book by it's cover."? Just because on the outside Christianity may seem a foolish religion full of hypocrites doesnt mean everyone is like that. To paraphrase Gandhi "Just because a few drops of water in the ocean are dirty it doesnt mean the whole ocean is dirty." Remeber in the end Christians are human and therefore fallible as are everyone regardless of religion or faith.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by jimnuggits
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Christianity is by no means a problem on this earth?

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

It is a huge problem to millions, since Christians cannot seem to be satisfied with their own personal lunacy, but feel the need to jam their beliefs down everyone else's throat.

That is a problem.


no jimmy this thread was not started. for instance by a Christian seeking to jam anything down anyones throat, like I said ,just pointing out that there are institutions that don't mind doing just that. God doesn't want people who don't know and love him. So throat jamming is not an option for Christianity.Christians are people who have to find God for who he is . In other words we had to go looking for him,Big difference from brainwashing which is the subversion of free will.Which is what the examples I posted depict.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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I sometimes chip in and help a local church, as a way of thanking them for saving me from a pretty terrible lifestyle. However, I'm no longer a Christian, but still help them when I can. Not all churches are so friendly towards non-Christians. They'll quote from Scripture about how I'm really an evil person at heart who worships false gods, and will have nothing to do with me. "What communion hath light with darkness" sort of thing.

I try to be a good person, be virtuous, truthful, loving, compassionate, selfless. Essentially what your Jesus taught, yet I will be cast away, and my help refused, which is fine I suppose. I can't help those who reject it.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by Headband7
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Since when did science become a religion? Science has undisputable facts supporting there's no leap of faith there thats way off base.


Spoken like a true non-scientist, and even more so, non-philosopher. The word for which you were looking is "indisputable", by the way, and there simply is no such thing outside of the theorems of an assumed system of deductive logic. In other words, the "facts" of science are far from being indisputable. In fact it is science which has throughout history replaced what you call "undisputable facts" with others.

It is not science that is a religion, but it is scientism that is an ideology just as Christianity is.


Scientology for sure, but science/ I get scientists individual theories yeah thats a leap but when they have the concrete evidence supporting them, there's no question.


In order to decide that "evidence" is needed to establish "knowledge", what constitutes "evidence", one has already brought a number of epistemological assumptions to the table which have never been proved, never mind the metaphysical presuppositions which underlie every interpretation of the nature of the reality one is attempting to describe thereby. I other words you don't know what you are talking about.
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posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by LunaKat
..... Here is the passage from 1 Corinthians 14:35

>>>If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:07 AM
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Ever heard of a little thing called the 'Inquisition'?

How about 'missionary work'?

The 'Crusades' ring a bell?

This is why people get so irate at Christians and Christianity in general, you seem to have no ability to recollect the horrors of that which your Church does in the name of 'Yahweh.'



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by jimnuggits
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Christianity is by no means a problem on this earth?

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

It is a huge problem to millions, since Christians cannot seem to be satisfied with their own personal lunacy, but feel the need to jam their beliefs down everyone else's throat.

That is a problem.


Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Billions obviously gain a lot of comfort from it and quite to the contrary, do not ram it down others' throats: I believe it's part of the Christian ethic 'to turn the other cheek'. Perhaps you see them as a soft target to ram your own blend of lunacy down others' throats? The biggest rammers of any belief system in these forums are the constant whinges coming from the atheist camp, not the other way around. To put it in context, there are many divisions within 'Christianity' as it is. This isn't a failing on the part of the message, but more indicative of the failure in people to understand & interpret it, that is the problem, which is really no surprise, as Freud wrote:


I have found little that is "good" about human beings on the whole. In my experience most of them are trash, no matter whether they publicly subscribe to this or that ethical doctrine or to none at all. That is something that you cannot say aloud, or perhaps even think. Sigmund Freud










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posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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Teaching your kid to brush is not the same as having blind faith in god.


Who said it was blind? God has sent many messengers in His behalf from the heavens to show us the way to the love and light of God and redemption.

There have been many apparitions of the virgin Mary over the centuries.. and many many miracles that have happened through faith and pray because of these messages.


When I look at saints like Padre Pio and read about so many miracles ..how people came to really know Christ through His teachings and examples..as well as miracles.. I don't see it as blind faith.. but faith in something that has proven to be real.. The love and mercy of Jesus Christ.

Yes..there is rampant sin in Christianity..and in the catholic church.. as well as outside the realms of Christianity.

In the apparitions of Mary.. she calls ALL of humanity her children.. and loves them ALL..and wishes to see sin and the offenses to God stopped.

No..I am not blind in faith..but I am blind to the love of God when I am in sin..






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posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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Did Christianity 'turn the other cheek' when they delivered a halocaust to the Native Americans, those 'savage heathens', you so proudly display as your avatar?

Did they 'turn the other cheek 'when they burned women at the stake for understanding herbs?

Selective memory only works in the pews, my friend, not here.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by gabby2011
[There have been many apparitions of the virgin Mary over the centuries.. and many many miracles that have happened through faith and pray because of these messages.




In the apparitions of Mary.. she calls ALL of humanity her children.. and loves them ALL..and wishes to see sin and the offenses to God stopped.


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Hi Gabby, it might surprise you to know that some of us Pagans believe that Mary is a later incarnation of the Goddess. The Goddess is also The Mother of All. Its interesting that when there are visitations on Earth they usually are female.

If that seems strange to you it probably seems just as strange to Protestant that Catholics even believe in these visitations. Anyways just wanted to tell you about that



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by vogon42
Any college level biology/zoology class will teach you....
When the male of the species stops defending the female of the species, that species is on the brink of extinction.

(OK, not EVERY species, but the majority)


Examples from natural history please.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by vogon42

Originally posted by LunaKat
..... Here is the passage from 1 Corinthians 14:35

>>>If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.



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posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by dilly1
Listen ALL type of faiths Brainwash people. Not just Christians.

If you have blind faith in:

Christianity
Islam
Judaism
Paganism
Buddha
Hindu
All Media(including Fox,,,lol)
Internet
Governing Bodies(including military)
Politicians
Science
Medicine
And most importantly ALIENS



You're ignorant and Brainwashed.

Another waste of pointless thread.




This has been posted already before. And its obviously not pointless if this many people are having a conversation about it. But feel free to move on. Door is open.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:24 AM
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Not a very easy question to just answer yes or no to. If you have studied brainwashing etc, such as the CIA's MKULTRA, then no, the typical christian church is not brainwashing people. But there are fringe "christian" groups that do practice brainwashing.

However in the New Testament, Jesus was careful to note that he did not teach anything in secret but taught for the whole world to hear. Advanced brainwashing, such as the CIA's, is usually done secretly. It has an occult nature to it which means secret teaching or secret influence.

People who are brainwashed rarely understand all that has been done to them.

Christianity persay does not adhere to brainwashing but again some sects and non-denominational churches are involved in manipulation, spiritual abuse which can be labeled to some extent brainwashing, and out right brainwashing......



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:24 AM
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First I want to say I haven't read all the posts after the 1st page because I'm writing from a Blackberry (so it isn't that easy).

I don't think its completely brain washing. I'm 17 and I was raised Catholic but that doesn't mean that I completely believe everything the church says. I'm part of the first generation in my family that was born in America. My family comes from Sicily and is for the most part devoutly catholic. In my room I have a couple pictures of saints and jesus (not my choice) but they don't really bother me. My belief is a little mixture of everything. I do believe there is some force out there, god or whatever you want to call it. I believe Jesus was just promoting to be a good person, but the greed of men pushed us off that path. I believe in reincarnation. We are given these attempts to be in our lives be good and we're judged based on our kindness. If you happen to be gay I don't believe you're automatically damned to hell. If you're a good person, you're rewarded. Its all about you and what you do with this opportunity.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:24 AM
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"And yeah you're right the NT does contract the OT in a lot of places. And the religion that comes out of all of that is to be non-changing. The more we learn about ourselves or our world will have no effect on that religion.. It is a religion that is not to evolve.

Human beings evolve..we're not the same people as the Victorians for example. And generally we upgrade our values and thinking as time passes. And religions that are viable today also evolve. That one won't though and I think its gonna be its own downfall."

It only seems contradictory until you understand God's word "The time is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.". And that's exactly what happened and the NT fully supports everything.

I love this reason called "evolved". Does one use that excuse to kill people, steal, rape, rob, disrespect our parents? Is that truly the excuse one would use to justify ANY of these things? I stole but it's okay because I have EVOLVED? Or are you referring to a homosexual act maybe and in that case one has evolved so it's okay? Plenty of Christians now support homosexuality because they believe the same reason, that's times have changed so Gods word is no longer valid in some aspects. They ignore the "God does not change" bit or believe their church which says that the moral laws are no longer valid. And because they do that, they cannot understand what the flood in Revelation signifies (false doctrines).

You come from a humanist point of view that teaches human can solve all of their own problems and that there is no accountability to a higher power. I take a different viewpoint because of my belief that God is sovereign. But to say that the former has "evolved" and the latter has not is just plain propaganda.

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed."

"National Socialist and Christian concepts are incompatible. The Christian Churches build upon the ignorance of men and strive to keep large portions of the people in ignorance because only in this way can the Christian Churches maintain their power. On the other hand, National Socialism is based on scientific foundations. Christianity's immutable principles, which were laid down almost two thousand years ago, have increasingly stiffened into life-alien dogmas. National Socialism, however, if it wants to fulfill its task further, must always guide itself according to the newest data of scientific researches."

See how it works casually dropping a word like "evolved"? The necessary truth is that all “human rights” come from the God who loves us — what the state gives, the state can take away. Absolute “rights” can come only from an absolute authority – God. The state is a necessary evil which must be kept within strict bounds. And THAT is why God is being removed and our youngsters are regurgitating red propaganda terms.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:25 AM
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Please explain how medicine brainwashes people.

Or Buddhism.

It seems to me that you are generalizing now because you've come to the end of your logical argument.

So, because all of these other disciplines and dogmas brainwash, its totally fine that Christianity do it too?



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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Brainwashing? Sounds like a good idea after reading through about 10 pages of this OP. I feel...soiled.

Maybe brainflushing is what's needed here.



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