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One person should only be so rich.

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posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 08:59 AM
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People obviously are not thinking this through or else they have no clue about how things work.

Example: I have my $100 million wealth cap in place but I spend $1 million a year and make $10 million a year. I must give $9 million a year to charity(which I promptly do and write this off my taxes as a charitable donation) The Government must supplement this loss of revenue by raising the taxes of the poor.

I have less money than before, the poor have less money than before and the government has the same amount of money(tax revenue). In order to further the growth of their police state.

The US Constitution guarantees life,liberty and property to the people once You allow the Government to take any one of these (by popular vote) then You are affectively abolishing the Constitution and they WILL take the others given time.




posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by maestromason


I LOVE MY CASH, MY BUSINESS and MY THINGS IN LIFE!

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I just...wow that was funny. It's like when my son has a little fit lol.

I wish you all the best in your quest for more stuff though. if stuff it what makes you happy then so be it.


As to the OP: I think the solution is not a wealth cap. The solution is an entirely new way of being. We need a resource based economy, not one based in fiat currency.



AS AN AMERICAN...if anyone/anything messes with my wealth, business, personal belongings or wealth potential believe me a tantrum will be an understatement. I could post videos too of what it will look like but I leave my weapons arsenal alone until I truly need to break out the heavy artillery. BTW...that is a very ugly child...just being honest...you posted it, I did not.

I do not know how many Americans are here on ATS but if you allow ANYTHING to come between you and your constitutional rights as AN AMERICAN you are looking uglier than than this child and are a lot dumber than he is!



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 11:11 AM
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Oh wow, now that's just nasty. That's not my child you know, but he's not ugly.

So you are going to shoot people over your property? Maybe you finally get it. Your property is only yours as long as you can defend it. One day someone with more guns and brawn can come into your home and take it. That's life.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by KrazyJethro

Originally posted by IAMIAM
It is not a racial slur, but rather a term which adequately defines the situation.


It was a racial slur by definition, but I'm not going to argue the point since I'm pretty sure my point would pass the common man test. House slave would have served the same purpose without the negative connotations.


You say no one is forced, yet where are the alternatives? Do you really think there is some piece of land somewhere waiting for hippies to find it? Everything is already claimed, yet it belongs to NO ONE to claim.


I explained the alternatives, and sure you might have to buy the land but not all places are claimed (even in America). Perhaps it belongs to no one in real terms, but the system stands as it stands and combating human nature seems futile. I'll leave the rest for further down.


Personal property is a lie. Don't believe me now, but you will find how true it is when you are dead and no longer have the property you thought you owned.

With Love,

Your Brother


You seem to be operating between two parameters. 1) That because things are transitory that they are not true at any point in time, and 2) That broad theoretical ideas should somehow be brought down into practical reality.

Personal property exists because we say it does. Fight for a system without it, obtain it, and soon enough it will regenerate itself right back in again. As for theory, I don't specifically disagree in a personal and theoretical sense, but it does seem like a grand departure from both the practical points and the discussion.

Don't think that I say this from a position like what you feel from the poster you responded to, since I have personally backed off quite a bit from the illusion of civil society, safety, and sophistication we humans like to pretend we exist under in addition to material status as I've aged.

Perhaps we agree and are discussing two different points. I have, however, always found you interesting.

Peace
KJ


Yes, that was a blatant racial slur and the fact that ATS allowed it tells you something. He apparently does not take his meds for whatever disorder that he has. Any WM who talks like that doesn't need to reside in the East they need to reside in the South with the KKK. This dude is head-shot to $#@t!



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by maestromason
 


Oh wow, now that's just nasty. That's not my child you know, but he's not ugly.

So you are going to shoot people over your property? Maybe you finally get it. Your property is only yours as long as you can defend it. One day someone with more guns and brawn can come into your home and take it. That's life.


Yes he is very ugly! Once again I am brutally honest.... but let us move on....

I HAVE SHOT PEOPLE OVER MY PROPERTY! I do not know where you live but I thank GOD ALMIGHTY & TPTB for THE SECOND AMENDMENT. I have been licensed to carry a concealed weapon since 2004, and carried before then. I AM ALSO A PROUD AMERICAN so I do not apologize for my pride or anything else....it is just me(and several hundred million like-minded American countrymen/countrywomen born under the protective Eagle).



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by maestromason
Yes he is very ugly! Once again I am brutally honest.... but let us move on....

I HAVE SHOT PEOPLE OVER MY PROPERTY! I do not know where you live but I thank GOD ALMIGHTY & TPTB for THE SECOND AMENDMENT. I have been licensed to carry a concealed weapon since 2004, and carried before then. I AM ALSO A PROUD AMERICAN so I do not apologize for my pride or anything else....it is just me(and several hundred million like-minded American countrymen/countrywomen born under the protective Eagle).


We get it my friend. THINGS are worth more than LIFE to you.

You have made clear who your master is.

Your choice really. It just catches people off guard when it is declared so so proudly.

Fear not my friend. Many who reach for the stone have their pockets laiden too.

A mark is a mark, regardless of size.



With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by maestromason

Originally posted by antonia
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Oh wow, now that's just nasty. That's not my child you know, but he's not ugly.

So you are going to shoot people over your property? Maybe you finally get it. Your property is only yours as long as you can defend it. One day someone with more guns and brawn can come into your home and take it. That's life.


Yes he is very ugly! Once again I am brutally honest.... but let us move on....

I HAVE SHOT PEOPLE OVER MY PROPERTY! I do not know where you live but I thank GOD ALMIGHTY & TPTB for THE SECOND AMENDMENT. I have been licensed to carry a concealed weapon since 2004, and carried before then. I AM ALSO A PROUD AMERICAN so I do not apologize for my pride or anything else....it is just me(and several hundred million like-minded American countrymen/countrywomen born under the protective Eagle).



You have some serious anger issues none of us can help you with. Enjoy your life, you are way too negative for me to engage with.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by maestromason

Originally posted by antonia
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Oh wow, now that's just nasty. That's not my child you know, but he's not ugly.

So you are going to shoot people over your property? Maybe you finally get it. Your property is only yours as long as you can defend it. One day someone with more guns and brawn can come into your home and take it. That's life.


Yes he is very ugly! Once again I am brutally honest.... but let us move on....

I HAVE SHOT PEOPLE OVER MY PROPERTY! I do not know where you live but I thank GOD ALMIGHTY & TPTB for THE SECOND AMENDMENT. I have been licensed to carry a concealed weapon since 2004, and carried before then. I AM ALSO A PROUD AMERICAN so I do not apologize for my pride or anything else....it is just me(and several hundred million like-minded American countrymen/countrywomen born under the protective Eagle).



You have some serious anger issues none of us can help you with. Enjoy your life, you are way too negative for me to engage with.


You mean I AM way too REAL, FACTUAL and TRUTHFUL for you to deal with. It is what it is.

I have BEEN ENJOYING MY LIFE! ALL MY LIFE!

Just because I believe in exercising MY RIGHTS as an AMERICAN makes me angry? no.
I believe that I will not be missing much by not conversing with you, IAMIAM(lol) or any other questionable character here on ATS, in fact I will be saving the most precious commodity on earth by not doing so...TIME!

I have my right to my say and that is that.

MY COUNTRY SWEET LAND of LIBERTY
It is truly a beautiful thing!

A THING worth defending with ARMS and MY LIFE.

A VERY BEAUTIFUL THING!


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posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 12:30 PM
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The point here is that when the State is allowed to declare how much a person makes, whether as a freelancer or as a CEO of a corporation, then that State is being allowed to infringe on an essential liberty, and it will do nothing but harm us in the long run. It is socialists who usually support such a Statist solution to what they view is limited resources and greedy people taking it all, and yet they support those very greedy bureaucrats and members of CoR when they put forth their Draconian de-population and control agendas in UN Agenda 21 and other UN programs.

We need less statism, not more, and the current admin is promoting more Statism and more control of every aspect of our lives. Mussolini called it "Totalitarianism", and he ought to know because his system was Totalitarian. Totalitarianism is the Nanny State and it's entirely evil.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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Oh pullease! The govt is not starving, it is overspending. We have way too many unfunded liabilities and entitlement programs, freebies for people who come here to take what they can, and insane pork barrel spending and programs that help foreign countries not us, so it's time to reign in that spending, then we wouldn't have to borrow so much from the Fed, but they like that borrowing because it keeps them raking in the interest on all that borrowing.

Govt spending is out of control.

But Soros and the Rothschilds do need reining in somehow. Soros is an insane manipulator of world currencies and should reside in jail.
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posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by Sagittarian69


Harry Potter was a lovely story my friend, but writing a story is no reason for ONE person to have an Empire while another starves on a planet given to us all. You may think this is justice, but that starving child will one day grow to cut your throat for his own survival.


First, who "gave" us this planet? Second, from reading your post I feel a desire to project a noble sense of purpose. But, killing someone (i.e. cutting a throat) is not conveying it properly.
What is the other way you speak of? If you read my earlier post you would see the sense in it. We cannot make demands that infringe on another. We can only entreat them to be kind in their dealings. If they choose not to we can simply exclude them. But, that means an entire change in our society's way of thinking.

Signing your posts

With Love,
Your Brother

Does not make you likable. And, neither is it true. I have read your posts and sometimes you write as if speaking to a child. You want to fix the world? Make it better? Start with yourself and find tolerance for those that have not traveled down the road as far as you may have. Show love by not just typing it.

edit on 27-12-2011 by Sagittarian69 because: stuff


Sagittarian69,

This guy is certifiable by the very definition in any state. I have DONE more charitable WORKS than I have given charitable "blessings" my ENTIRE LIFE. A fraud is a fraud all day long and twice on Sundays in my book. I own a non-profit foundation that is currently rebuilding the same neighborhood I grew up in. It is feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, WORKS to build homeless families NEW HOMES and find GAINFUL employment for those who are actively seeking it.

I have ALWAYS WORKED the ACTIVE PRINCIPLE...and I was MASONICALLY TAUGHT THAT EVERY "BROTHER" IS NOT MY BROTHER. These eMasons really trip me out. I knew back in 1998-1999 when Google went online that anyone and everyone would be popping out of the wood-works with 'light'. You either "see me" in the lodge or you do not exist...plain and simple. You can electronically roll the 33rd Degree lecture online all day and you would look like an EAVESDROPPER to me....a COWAN at best!



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by maestromason
You mean I AM way too REAL, FACTUAL and TRUTHFUL for you to deal with. It is what it is.


Thanks for noticing Brother.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by qver74
Most countries have limited ways of preventing overaccumulation of wealth. If you look at the graph at the following website showing CEO to average worker ratios, you will see reflections of each country's taxation system. Many countries have a progressive taxation system that increases as your income grows. In the U.S., the wealthy find ways to avoid taxes as their income grows. Simply looking at income taxes are misleading since there are so many taxes in the u.s. including sales tax, property tax, car tags. Taxes are supposed to be returned back to the people through government projects such as college tuitiion (free in many countries), health insurance (also free in many countries) and other public services but in the U.S. these taxes are often diverted to other causes including defense and corporate bailouts.

creativeconflictwisdom.wordpress.com...

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I have news for you. Defense is the one thing authorized by the Constitution. All these entitlements, welfare, public education, and pork barrel spending are not authorized by the Constitution explicitly. We have way too much Statism and bloated govt spending. This admin just increased it more, especially with the health care etc. By the way, we have already learned that when the govt has unlimited spending, contractors have been known to charge more because they can, so why would we want to do that with health care and insurance? Socialism is an insanely stupid system and it doesn't work.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 01:26 PM
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The biggest secret of economics is that Communism is a very powerful system.


VERY POWERFULLY . . .

1. Genocidal
2. tyrannical

3. Blood thirsty
4. Freedom destroying

5. INSTITUTIONALIZED "LORD OF THE FLIES."

6. Elitist pretending to be the opposite. Some pigs are more equal than others






7. POWERFULLY DESTRUCTIVE OF:
A) personal incentive
B) personal responsibility

Let's pretend you are studying to be a brain surgeon. And half way through a very critical class that's super difficult, the professor declares that from then on, the grades will be assigned according to the Communist model.

Given that you had an "A" at that point and 90% of the class were flunking, you end up with an "F."

Given your post, evidently you'd think that was !WONDERFUL!

While most people would think that that attitude was delusional.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 02:05 PM
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His response to my post was vague and defensive so, I chose not to respond to him.



However, what you are doing is exactly what I stated earlier in this thread should be done. You willingly set out to use your wealth/organization to help those in need. A very noble thing to do. I once wondered why more people do not simply give, after of course, setting their own house in order. I came to the conclusion that in any societal model the one factor that causes every single one to ultimately fail is greed. Capitalism or Communism, greed is their downfall. When more people behave like you and choose to deny their greed and share with those around them their excesses our world will move into a better state.

Many elder members of my father's side of the family were Masons. (All are deceased now) I never got into it, though years ago I had the opportunity. I wander forums like ATS to broaden my mind and find Universal Truths.. Perhaps there is some to be found there as well. Any information you would be willing to share please feel free to PM me..



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Spoken like a TRUE gentleman and a scholar!

We see eye to eye on the benevolence of human kindness, and the utilitarian use of discretionary income to improve the lives of our fellow countrymen/countrywomen. I applaud your insight about the socio-economic issues of the world.

Bravo!



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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There is enough wealth available to every able bodied man and woman alive, it is there to be had by anyone. You have to work for it though. We already pay into a system to help those who are not able to provide for themselves so anyone who can, can earn what they want.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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You make it sound as though the constitution ONLY belongs to conservatives and protects ONLY them.

No. It belongs only to a corporate fiction called USA, Inc. since we are dealing with a coporate charter and NOT THE ORIGINAL constitution.





Entity Details
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THIS IS NOT A STATEMENT OF GOOD STANDING

File Number: 2193946 Incorporation Date / Formation Date: 04/19/1989
(mm/dd/yyyy)
Entity Name: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC.
Entity Kind: CORPORATION Entity Type: NON-PROFIT OR RELIGIOUS
Residency: DOMESTIC State: DE


We still have the bill of rights and lots of common sense regulations, but to strictly adhere to this corporate charter means you are a fundamentalist fool of britain and the vatican. Go ahead and do the leg work if you think I am lying.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Oh pullease! The govt is not starving, it is overspending. We have way too many unfunded liabilities and entitlement programs, freebies for people who come here to take what they can, and insane pork barrel spending and programs that help foreign countries not us, so it's time to reign in that spending, then we wouldn't have to borrow so much from the Fed, but they like that borrowing because it keeps them raking in the interest on all that borrowing.

Govt spending is out of control.

But Soros and the Rothschilds do need reining in somehow. Soros is an insane manipulator of world currencies and should reside in jail.
edit on 27-12-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: spelling


Yeah lets pound on social welfare services while we turn a blind eye on the military-industrial complex, big pharma who is suppressing cures for curable diseases, a blind eye to the bankers, a blind eye to israel, a blind eye to the militarisation of police, a blind eye to corporate welfare, etc.

It is ALWAYS about stopping social welfare systems so we can have more money to spend on foreign wars. Conservatives are the biggest hypocrites on this planet, not to mention they take mainstream religion WAY TOO SERIOUSLY, are racists, homophobic idiots, anti-abortion yet pro murder to defend property.

Haha. You go ron "the messiah" paul!!



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Govt spending is out of control.

But Soros and the Rothschilds do need reining in somehow. Soros is an insane manipulator of world currencies and should reside in jail.
edit on 27-12-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: spelling


Wow. Who would have noticed that "soros and the rothschilds" need reining in, when all you hypocrites are the first TO ENCOURAGE unlimited wealth, no taxation, no government spending, no social welfare.






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