One person should only be so rich.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Govt spending is out of control.

But Soros and the Rothschilds do need reining in somehow. Soros is an insane manipulator of world currencies and should reside in jail.

edit on 27-12-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: spelling

Wow. Who would have noticed that "soros and the rothschilds" need reining in, when all you hypocrites are the first TO ENCOURAGE unlimited wealth, no taxation, no government spending, no social welfare.

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Thanks for the support. The staff used to give points to people who like the truth, but ATS has been infiltrated with right wing mods who either give "manner and decorum" fines or "extreme T&C violation" and eventually the ban hammer.

Trust I could say more but just looking at my point accumulation tells the whole story. I should have 10,000 points by now and have less than 4,000.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Govt spending is out of control.

But Soros and the Rothschilds do need reining in somehow. Soros is an insane manipulator of world currencies and should reside in jail.

edit on 27-12-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: spelling

Wow. Who would have noticed that "soros and the rothschilds" need reining in, when all you hypocrites are the first TO ENCOURAGE unlimited wealth, no taxation, no government spending, no social welfare.

You are so upset over my suggestion that Soros' operations of manipulating world currencies for both personal profit and for redistribution of wealth into socialist radical leftist front organizations like Media Matters and MoveOn.org as well as Tides, OSI, and Center for Media and Democracy.

there is a difference. Soros is a radical leftist revolutionary bent on rewriting the American Constitution and bringing socialism here and he was convicted of insider trading. That is entirely different than capping wealth just because poor people are jealous.

Several years later, a Paris-based prosecutor reopened the case against Soros and two other French businessmen, disregarding the COB's findings. This resulted in Soros' 2005 conviction for insider trading by the Court of Appeals (he was the only one of the three to receive a conviction). The French Supreme Court confirmed the conviction on June 14, 2006, but reduced the penalty to the minimum.[39]

His insider trading conviction was upheld by the highest court in France on June 14, 2006.[39] In December 2006, he appealed to the European Court of Human Rights on various grounds including that the 14-year delay in bringing the case to trial precluded a fair hearing.[41] On the basis of Article 7 of the European convention on human rights, stating that no person may be punished for an act that was not a criminal offense at the time that it was committed, the Court agreed to hear the appeal.[42] In October 2011, the court rejected his appeal in a 4–3 decision, saying that Soros has been aware of the risk of breaking insider trading laws.[43]

Plus Soros is promoting exactly the kind of nonsense of redistributing wealth and so on, only it's everyone else's money that is being confiscated while he uses his money for pet projects designed to undermine America.

I have never been an advocate for breaking laws in insider trading, as Nancy Pelosi has done, as Soros has done. Soros is an entirely evil man who uses human rights as a shield for his evildoing.

And for the record, flaming on me with bunches of flaming faces is not going to change things one bit.
It is the leftists who hate Capitalism so much, and jealous people who hate wealthy people and Marxists who use class warfare to promote "economic equality", which is what Soros promotes through all his leftist front organizations, and yet he is the worst abuser of them all.
Karl Marx and Lenin did say that there would be leaders who would be the Elite of the new bourgeois proletariat and Soros is just that.
Or you could just simply say that like the Rothschilds, he spouts ideology of the left but uses the markets.

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So you are basically saying it is ok to go after and prosecute left wing criminals, but lets look the other way for right wing criminals.....despite the fact a criminal is a criminal. If you think only left wingers commit insider trading and really want socialism in america then you are more dellusional than I thought.

Why would someone profiting in the billions annually want socialism? Why would someone investing millions in america want socialism? It is a direct conflict of interest to their person. They only want global capitalism, exactly like we have now, with as few laws as possible and immunity to the laws anyway.

I find it interesting most criminals get caught in europe, which has mild socialism, then ever get caught in america.

Distribution of wealth is a necessity to any organised society, not only for social services which make up a fraction of the nations expenses, but to provide for schooling, a military, police. fire department, public services such as parks and libraries, roads, air and sea ports, etc. Without taxation the nation becomes poor, the needy suffer and wealthy hoarde all the wealth.

Not only that but the higher a taxation system is on the super-wealthy the fewer rothschilds, rockefellers, soros, vanderbilts, duponts exist. I have no beef with earning wealth and accumulating it, but please do not use it to purchase interest in the government and make me your slave. Keep the money to yourself or go visit someother planet with it.

America has been subverted a long time ago with right wingers.of whom all are either super-wealthy, religious fanatics or stock market babyboomers. The last two do the work for the tiny first class cause they are naive and over zealous.

Here is some more of Soros activities(somehow the Left always focus on Koch but not a peep about Soros)

Influence on U.S. elections: Soros once said that removing President George W. Bush from office in 2004 was the "central focus of my life." He put his money where his mouth is, giving $23.58 million to various 527 groups dedicated to defeating Bush. His early financial support helped jump-start Barack Obama’s political career. Soros hosted a 2004 fund-raiser for Obama when he was running for the Illinois Senate and gave the maximum-allowed contribution within hours of Obama’s announcement that he was running for President.

And of course this is one of the most evil of all his doings

Wants to curtail American sovereignty: Soros would like nothing better than for America to become subservient to international bodies. He wants more power for groups such as the World Bank and International Monetary Fund, even while saying the U.S. role in the IMF should be “downsized.” In 1998, he wrote: “Insofar as there are collective interests that transcend state boundaries, the sovereignty of states must be subordinated to international law and international institutions.”

www.humanevents.com...

but check this out

Despite working as an investor and currency speculator, he argues that the current system of financial speculation undermines healthy economic development in many underdeveloped countries. Soros blames many of the world's problems on the failures inherent in what he characterizes as market fundamentalism. His opposition to many aspects of globalization has made him a controversial figure.
Victor Niederhoffer said of Soros: "Most of all, George believed even then in a mixed economy, one with a strong central international government to correct for the excesses of self-interest."

en.wikipedia.org...

In other words, like all the Globalist Elite, he believes in a One World Govt in which he has all the power and the money.
And additionally, it means he knows what he is doing, and justifies it with ideology.
After all, he did confiscate wealth for Germany....

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

So you are basically saying it is ok to go after and prosecute left wing criminals, but lets look the other way for right wing criminals.....

What I undestood from all that was that Soros talks socialist but acts capitalist. He's a capitalist in socialist's clothing. The rest seems contradictory since making him out to be a fake socialist really doesn't make for much of an argument.

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It is natural for me to have more sympathy for george soros than the koch brothers, since I share many common ideas with him. However a criminal is still a criminal. A world government may be inevitable but I sure as hell do not have to support global capitalism with rock bottom tariffs and 20% unemployment.

We need a resource based economy which can only come to frutition with market socialism/social democracy. Unthwarted greed is what is causing companies to leave america, exploit third world workforce and cause enviromental problems.

Why should the non wealthy support capitalism and even with capitalism why the selective enforcement of anti-trust laws, repealing of the glass-steagel act, leveraged buyouts and a first amendment misconstrued to allow donations??

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

So you are basically saying it is ok to go after and prosecute left wing criminals, but lets look the other way for right wing criminals.....

What I undestood from all that was that Soros talks socialist but acts capitalist. He's a capitalist in socialist's clothing. The rest seems contradictory since making him out to be a fake socialist really doesn't make for much of an argument.

Ok so then when were you going to accuse me of being stuck in the right/left paradigm? Now suddenly I am not allowed to point out the contradiction of the left/right paradigm created by the Illuminati. You see, people here spout this thing all the time but apparently don't understand it.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

It is natural for me to have more sympathy for george soros than the koch brothers, since I share many common ideas with him. However a criminal is still a criminal. A world government may be inevitable but I sure as hell do not have to support global capitalism with rock bottom tariffs and 20% unemployment.

We need a resource based economy which can only come to frutition with market socialism/social democracy. Unthwarted greed is what is causing companies to leave america, exploit third world workforce and cause enviromental problems.

Why should the non wealthy support capitalism and even with capitalism why the selective enforcement of anti-trust laws, repealing of the glass-steagel act, leveraged buyouts and a first amendment misconstrued to allow donations??

Of course, that is why OWS types walked past Soros' home in New York on their way to protest Murdoch and Koch. Talk about hypocrisy.
What's that about denying ignorance? Oh that's right Soros and all his left wing front groups are good, Koch bros bad.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

So you are basically saying it is ok to go after and prosecute left wing criminals, but lets look the other way for right wing criminals.....despite the fact a criminal is a criminal. If you think only left wingers commit insider trading and really want socialism in america then you are more dellusional than I thought.

Why would someone profiting in the billions annually want socialism? Why would someone investing millions in america want socialism? It is a direct conflict of interest to their person. They only want global capitalism, exactly like we have now, with as few laws as possible and immunity to the laws anyway.

I find it interesting most criminals get caught in europe, which has mild socialism, then ever get caught in america.

Distribution of wealth is a necessity to any organised society, not only for social services which make up a fraction of the nations expenses, but to provide for schooling, a military, police. fire department, public services such as parks and libraries, roads, air and sea ports, etc. Without taxation the nation becomes poor, the needy suffer and wealthy hoarde all the wealth.

Not only that but the higher a taxation system is on the super-wealthy the fewer rothschilds, rockefellers, soros, vanderbilts, duponts exist. I have no beef with earning wealth and accumulating it, but please do not use it to purchase interest in the government and make me your slave. Keep the money to yourself or go visit someother planet with it.

America has been subverted a long time ago with right wingers.of whom all are either super-wealthy, religious fanatics or stock market babyboomers. The last two do the work for the tiny first class cause they are naive and over zealous.

I am for limited govt, not zero govt.
Some here are anarchist and some are statist big govt types. I happen to be neither.

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Why should the non wealthy support capitalism and even with capitalism w

Because only under the true free enterprise system can a person rise up out of poverty and subservience to the State. Under socialism, the individual is always subservient to the State.

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I could do it now if you like.

Your stuck in the left/right paradigm. Soros, Murdoch and Koch are all capitalist they just use different ways to manipulate people into following them. Some would say they (the elite) work together to keep us divided. Are you Tea Party or OWS? Doesn't matter because both are part of the same con.

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Not only that but the higher a taxation system is on the super-wealthy the fewer rothschilds, rockefellers, soros, vanderbilts, duponts exist. I have no beef with earning wealth and accumulating it, but please do not use it to purchase interest in the government

Let's see, did you bother reading my post on how George Soros used his money to fight re-election of George Bush? Oh wait he's a socialist and so his manipulation of elections is fine with ya. Go go go MoveOn.org and Media Matters. Yaaaaaay Soros!
(I was a cheerleader in 6th grade)

I find it interesting most criminals get caught in europe, which has mild socialism, then ever get caught in america

You're kidding right? And who are all those people in American penitentiaries? Martha Stewart, yah they sure made an example of her for a trite bit of supposed insider trading. Madoff, yah they got him too. ENRON..they got caught cookin the books.
Soros, he gets his hand slapped in France and runs to America where he is now running the Democrat Party and ruining our currency and trying to rewrite the Constitution.

Why would someone profiting in the billions annually want socialism? Why would someone investing millions in america want socialism?

You call attempting to rewrite the Constitution and messing with our currency and funding the most radical of agendas investing in America? He is an Intl Globalist and cares not for America one whit.
Ignorance has a cousin called delusion.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Because only under the true free enterprise system can a person rise up out of poverty and subservience to the State. Under socialism, the individual is always subservient to the State.

The guys mentioned above did just that and now they are using their money and position to keep everyone else subservient to the State.

You said it yourself they need to be reined in but how would that happen? It would have to be through power given to the government to do that and if they do that to them then they can do it to anybody/everybody else. I think that that is what the OP is talking about.

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Wow you quote earthcitizen on a list of evil doers with soros include in that list and then try to make it seem like he is overlooking soros.

Then you edit,twice, and keep going on about Soros.

Time to take a deep breath and slow things down a bit.

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We need a resource based economy which can only come to frutition with market socialism/social democracy.

I will just use the words of Murray Rothbard at the Mises Inst. as counterargument.

At the root of the dazzling revolutionary implosion and collapse of socialism and central planning in the "socialist bloc" is what everyone concedes to be a disastrous economic failure. The peoples and the intellectuals of Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union are crying out not only for free speech, democratic assembly, and glasnost, but also for private property and free markets.

Before Ludwig von Mises raised the calculation problem in his celebrated article in 1920,[1] everyone, socialists and non-socialists alike, had long realized that socialism suffered from an incentive problem. If, for example, everyone under socialism were to receive an equal income, or, in another variant, everyone was supposed to produce "according to his ability" but receive "according to his needs," then, to sum it up in the famous question: Who, under socialism, will take out the garbage? That is, what will be the incentive to do the grubby jobs, and, furthermore, to do them well? Or, to put it another way, what would be the incentive to work hard and be productive at any job?

The traditional socialist answer held that the socialist society would transform human nature, would purge it of selfishness, and remold it to create a New Socialist Man. That new man would be devoid of any selfish, or indeed any self-determined, goals; his only wish would be to work as hard and as eagerly as possible to achieve the goals and obey the orders of the socialist State. Throughout the history of socialism, socialist ultras, such as the early Lenin and Bukharin under "War Communism," and later Mao Tse-tung and Che Guevara, have sought to replace material by so-called "moral" incentives. This notion was properly and wittily ridiculed by Alexander Gray as "the idea that the world may find its driving force in a Birthday Honours List (giving to the King, if necessary, 165 birthdays a year)."[2] At any rate, the socialists soon found that voluntary methods could hardly yield them the New Socialist Man. But even the most determined and bloodthirsty methods could not avail to create this robotic New Socialist Man. And it is a testament to the spirit of freedom that cannot be extinguished in the human breast that the socialists continued to fail dismally, despite decades of systemic terror.

Clearly, socialists have had to resort to some principles of Capitalism and the free market in order to keep alive their desire to control things via the State, and run people's lives according to their Utopian ideals, as the Soviet experiment has taught the world that pure socialism/communism doesn't work and doesn't motivate people.

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Because only under the true free enterprise system can a person rise up out of poverty and subservience to the State. Under socialism, the individual is always subservient to the State.

The guys mentioned above did just that and now they are using their money and position to keep everyone else subservient to the State.

You said it yourself they need to be reined in but how would that happen? It would have to be throught power given to the government to do that and if they do that to them then they can do it to anybody/everybody else. I think that that is what the OP is talking about.

Well, I have pondered this myself. I have posted before that the Bush family financed Hitler, and the Rockefellers financed the Bolsheviks.
Unfortunately, Soros is smart enough to learn from his past mistakes and not get caught in doing outright illegal stuff. He is nevertheless an incredibly evil man.
I think that he will continue wreaking havoc on society until the One World Govt comes to fruition(in collusion entirely with all the other globalists).
I believe in Revelation and therefore my faith is in the judgement of evildoers by God and not by man alone. Where the justice of man fails, the final Judgement of the seed of the Wicked is outlined in Revelation and in the Book of Enoch.
I'm sorry I can't give you anything in human justice to satisfy this, but meantime, it seems the left is giving their puppetmaster a pass.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
I believe in Revelation and therefore my faith is in the judgement of evildoers by God and not by man alone. Where the justice of man fails, the final Judgement of the seed of the Wicked is outlined in Revelation and in the Book of Enoch.

If this is true then why fight against what is written? The one world government will happen according to Revelations.

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
I believe in Revelation and therefore my faith is in the judgement of evildoers by God and not by man alone. Where the justice of man fails, the final Judgement of the seed of the Wicked is outlined in Revelation and in the Book of Enoch.

If this is true then why fight against what is written? The one world government will happen according to Revelations.

edit on 27-12-2011 by daskakik because: (no reason given)

This does not mean one has to fold and just accept the evil. As people here are saying the One World Govt may be or seem to be inevitable, but my point is that human justice is not bringing the wicked to justice, and therefore the only answer is that the ultimate justice will be from the hand of the Divine.
Psalms is also a comforting thought along the line of righteous judgement


King James Version: Psalms Chapter 37

Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.
For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.


3 Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.


4 Delight thyself also in the LORD: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.


5 Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.


6 And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.


7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.


8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.


9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.


10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.


11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.


12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.


13 The LORD shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.

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more stuff on judgement from various parts of scripture

www.lwbc.co.uk...


and Enochian judgement

The book is referred to, and quoted, in Jude 14-15:
"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these [men], saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."
Compare this with Enoch 1:9, translated from the Ethiopic (found also in Qumran scroll 4Q204=4QEnochc ar, col I 16-18):[12]

"And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."

en.wikipedia.org...