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Originally posted by IntastellaBurst
This may be true...
Heaven and Hell are not places, .... but states of mind, ... or states of being.
Heaven exists where you make it, ...... wether here or on the other side, we are the creators, and the world a landscape to paint what you will.
a master doesnt create perfection .... but realizes that everything is already perfect.
Originally posted by FlySolo
reply to post by eNaR
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you trying to insinuate other countries close to the coc aine are happy because they are users? Really? Drug addiction creates happiness? If this is your argument, double wow!
Originally posted by Bkrmn
reply to post by arpgme
I have lived many years and have seen men die in ways you couldn't even imagine, and the ones who sounded much like yourself passed in absolute terror, as they realized just how wrong they had been! I myself have met death head on several times, and each time was unfortunate enough to end up back here. I have seen what I can only call "Heaven", and now that I'm tired and fighting my last fight, I am looking forward to finally returning home.
Originally posted by Bkrmn
Take a good look at yourself before your ego gets any bigger (if that's possible). Do you think perhaps those around you might be a bit tired of your self righteousness?
Originally posted by ErroneousDylan
reply to post by ottobot
I believe many people are arguing because they are confusing the fact that the OP is stating that you can gain the perception, perspective, and reality OF Heaven, here on Earth. While others think he means that this IS Heaven in a sense of say... The Bible. Of course, everything is ultimately one so there is really no need in distinguishing the two.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Originally posted by daskakik
Originally posted by ErroneousDylan
reply to post by ottobot
I believe many people are arguing because they are confusing the fact that the OP is stating that you can gain the perception, perspective, and reality OF Heaven, here on Earth. While others think he means that this IS Heaven in a sense of say... The Bible. Of course, everything is ultimately one so there is really no need in distinguishing the two.
This is not true. I asked way back in the thread and got that sorted out. What people are arguing is the OP's insistance on using the word heaven and saying this place is like it because it is perfect.
I stated in my first post on this thread that the mistake was in using a word that is well defined and applying it to something that doesn't fit that definition.
The OP insists on using heaven because, according to him, heaven has everything. That is ignorance. Heaven isn't described as having everything. Heaven is supposed to be a place free of suffering. There is suffering here therefore this is not heaven. It's very simple but the OP's just can't see it or he thinks it means being negative. From some of his answers it seems as if, to him, admitting he is wrong would mean having to leave heaven. Rather childish if you ask me.
When presented with facts like the above he starts using psychobabble because of course that is all he has left.
Originally posted by ErroneousDylan
I suppose you are only using the definition of "Heaven" in relation to The Bible? I don't look at this subject from a mere Christian perspective, even if they were the first to use the word "Heaven".
And empathy is also useless, is someone puts their hand in fire, why would you put your hand in too?
It would make more sense to keep your hand OUT and tell them to take theirs out too..
I don't have empathy for anyone, anyone who is said, I cheer them up with happiness and tell them just to be happy, I see absolutely no purpose in feeling unhappy just because someone else is.
em·pa·thy noun ˈem-pə-thē Definition of EMPATHY
1 : the imaginative projection of a subjective state into an object so that the object appears to be infused with it 2 : the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this