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Obama: Limited Gov't That Preserves Free Markets 'Doesn't Work. It Has Never Worked

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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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I know the doc better then most so in this regard what I say is right because it happens to be 100% factual and not some idiotic spun propaganda and is fact!

The reason for this thread was a misconception that has already been disproven!

Watch the speech on YouTube and take the political blinders off for awhile and see for yourself the innate reason for this.
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What document?
Now you are back on the UN crap?

I know a scam artist when I see when. When Obama just walks, he lies.
He is the biggest scam artist to ever be President.
Unlawful acts, willingness to sell out America, want to punish America for the past, and an out right hatred for America as a whole.
It does not take a News article, Op-ed or ATS thread to point this out. Obama merely just show up and these things are seen.




posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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So when does the parents start getting billed for WiFi usage during school by the kids or when does the bills start showing up in parents mailboxes for kid's internet access during school via the school infrastructure? When?
edit on 8-12-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)


WHAT!?!?!!?
Please, offer some sort of retort that makes sense.
What the hell are you talking about?



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 04:27 PM
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Parents being billed for the internet access their kids use during computer class. They are in fact using someone else's internet service, in this case the School's so locigally asks is when does the parents start getting billed for it? Throughout my entire friends list there are a rough estimate of over 250 kids and when do they start getting billed so I can warn them of this?

Scam artist?

Can you or anyone possibly explain why an American having a decent job is this evil and Satanical thing because quite frankly it has now come to the point where a stance is now Anti American and deep rooted in hatred for anything this nation does to try and get us to stand on our own two feet again?

It is no longer about stupid and moronic ideals anymore as it is now about how are WE ALL going to move THIS NATION forward and do not give a toss about anything else but that. Opinions were sought after but a vast majority of those stuck on repeat in the matrix known as the paradigm were threatened with embarrassment, death, misfortune if they even dared to speak out against those very people who've been controlling their every move from the getgo.

Lack of wishing for a better nation will kill this nation, this is not some opinion but is a darn fact! When are you going to realize this?

Please do not think I'm trying to take a swipe at you as I am surely not and would not do. I look at you as someone who has lost their way. I am here to tell you if you have that hope is not lost. We all can rise above this entire mess if we really wanted to but to some they'd rather play politics, It is NO LONGER a game!
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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Being in Australia it's not difficult to see that America HATES America. your continual self loathing is bringing the rest of the world down. Change your perspective of yoursleves. Try to be less critical more accepting of mistakes so they are not continued to be made. The only expansion america has had in the last ten years is in the complaints departments and guess what, no one is actually employed there, they just dig a big hole in the ground and pour them in
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Keep spending your energy on bitching and be like every other country that has collapsed..................
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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We are trying but the same elements who are pulling the strings of The Crown there are pulling ours here.

Kick the Crown to the curb and we'll kick the banksters to the cub and then partner up to create an even more dominant empire!



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 04:57 PM
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I didnt know this guy had a history major.

My counter argument would "Show me where government has worked"

The Post Office? lol
Social Security? lol
Medicare? lol
Fannie Mae? lol


He cant be this stupid people.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
Well, I talked to the founders and they said Obama was wrong.

No one can deny it...Obama's agenda is clear. He is definitely wanting to "fundamentally transform America", as he said during the last election.

Seriously, have you ever heard of someone so arrogant? He knows better than our founding fathers. Maybe he could go somewhere else and found something, then. Warren Buffet can join him, and become Secretary of the Treasury. Buffett can make the first donation.
edit on 7-12-2011 by GeorgiaGirl because: Clarify pronouns


Wow folks. Not taking up for Slim but you really need to study some ideas our founders had on the nature of government involvment in the early american economic world. Before the constitution was even voted on, buring the days of the Articles of Confederation James Madison was warning that national monopolies were a clear problem to local economies. The idea of the market and economy running hog wild was not something dreamed up by these supposed enlightened intellectuals of the new order of the freedom of man. Madison also warned about the problems created by extreme economic class disparity.

It goes way beyond dragging out a Jefferson one liner here and there.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 05:17 PM
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Twist it as you want, the fact is:

If you try to solve today's economic issues with wisdom from 200+ years ago, you will brutally fail. So Obama was in fact correct by saying the free market doesn't work. "Free market" is a theoretical concept that has a lot of downsides, which is why not a single country in the world has implemented it. Free market would result in a select few holding all the power/money, while the rest suffers.

This is already happening, but not as quickly as it would have under a 100% free market. The crooks on Wall Street found a way around not having a free market, by simply buying politicians who then introduce laws that essentially make it a "free market" for them. The game is RIGGED!! Reckless DEREGULATION caused this hole crisis for crying out loud...you'd have to be a complete moron to argue against this.

Dodd-Frank is a JOKE, it's NOT curbing reckless betting of the financial industry, and it doesn't prevent them from handing all their losses over to the taxpayer. The government now struggles to pay for education (that guarantees the US's economic competitiveness), or pay for veterans, or to make sure we don't have to see people dying in the streets, or to ensure the firemen come when your house burns, or the cops arrive when someone calls them...the reason those things are now not affordable anymore is because they WASTED that money on giving the top 1% tax breaks, and by starting expensive wars that only benefit the defence lobbyists that buy those sock puppet politicians!!

I'm not even a fan of Obama, I think he did a TERRIBLE job when it comes to preventing Wall Street to screwing all of us over...and not just the US, the entire world's economy is going down hill fast because of those Wall Street companies. Obama is a WS sock puppet in sheep's clothing. Having said that, he is 100% correct by saying the free market or trickle-down economics don't work. They clearly don't, and arguing otherwise just shows how little you know about the economy or politics



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Can you or anyone possibly explain why an American having a decent job is this evil and Satanical thing


There is a segment of society who believes that financial success is dependant on the exploitation of others.

Darwinism. There must always be losers of the system in order for their to be winners.

In this thinking economic suffering of others is neccessary to the financial success of the few.

In reality a wolf needs a pack to hunt and survive and a pack leader cares for and defends every member of his pack if for no other reason than the innate understanding that his status, as well as his very survival, is dependant on their health and his ability to lead them in the hunt.

That is the truth that seems lost in the debate. An economically crippled middle class can not consume and fuel the engine of economic growth that the wealthiest require to prosper.

I see institutions that confiscated massive amounts of money in the form of taxpayer bailouts unwilling to loan money and invest in the economy due to "uncertaintity"...which of course is perpetuated by their unwillingness to invest. I see modern day Robber Barons investing in politicians to protect the wealth they have accumulated by honest or ill-gotten means ...rather than investing in the nation that gave them that wealth.

The term "Job Creators" would be ironically funny if it wasn't outright depressing that some believe the wordplay.

Economic cowardice and greed.

I guess what I am saying to all concerned...the 99% as well as the 1%....get the pack healthy and get hunting!...or none of us, rich or poor are going to make it in the end. The rest is just canabalism and eventually there will be no one left to eat.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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Forgot to mention, your entire congress and leadership is destroying your country. And I'm not talking about the democrats, GOP, or the Tea Party. I'm talking about ALL OF THEM!!!

GOP: They completely gave up hiding the fact that they're bought. For crying out loud, Newt is twittering about products from companies that pay him MILLIONS. Romney believes corporations are people...even if in reality companies consist of people already, and by calling companies people you are essentially double counting. You might just as well stop calling cheeseburgers "cheeseburgers" and switch to calling it "beef" because it contains beef. It's INSANE!!! Even guys like Ron Paul are guilty because they want a "free market" when every honest economist can tell you that the free market would screw over the majority of people. Or you have people like Cain, who propose tax plans that would only benefit the top 0.5% (not even the top 1%, lol). They are SOCK PUPPETS, and not hiding it at all...

Democrats: Couldn't fight themselves out of a wet paper bag. They PRETEND to wanna do the right thing, to stand up for the "average Joe"...sadly, in reality, they are just as bought. They negotiate with the GOP by giving the bought GOP puppets exactly what they want even before negotiations start. And since the GOP isn't stupid, they then come over the top again and try to get even more than they originally planned for. All to please corporate donors. Sock puppets, all of them.

Tea Party: Completely taken over the the Koch brothers, and we now all know how much those guys screw average Joe


Take your pick, it DOESN'T MATTER, they're ALL bought for crying out loud. They just wear different masks, and entertain the dumb average population (not an insult, it's sadly a fact because education has gone down hill in the US) so those guys don't wake up and realize just how much they get screwed over.

I mean, Bank of America just shifted $75 trillion in risky derivatives risk over to their retail bank. So not only is every regular savings account holder liable, but also every single tax payer!!!! And it's legal!!! It's legal because of deregulation, because it benefits the very companies which bought politicians to make this possible.

And the dumb average population is too distracted watching gladiator games of politics where they talk about how bad gay marriage is, or whether or not someone should be on a celebratory coin. Stuff that doesn't matter for 99.99999999999% of the population whether it's done or not. It's crazy!!!

Just watch ATS for example, the daily back and forth between the "right" and the "left". It's like watching monkeys flinging poo at each other. Entertaining...sure. But also incredibly dumb and silly.

And unless something changes quickly, the US will turn into a 3rd world country. And that's not just me saying that: LINK


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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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I talked to a guy that sells a certain commodity in the local market. I was selling some to. He asked me if i were trying to get some of "his money". Really. I told him it was a free market. He protested and said it was guys like him that built the market, which he didnt, and it was guy like me that move in once the market is created and try to capitalize. I informed him that the market in this case was its own entity and we were both free to get some of the pie according to our efforts. He didnt believe this. This guy is a twisted "entitlement" capitalist or whatever you want to call it. But hes no free market man at all. There are many of these "entitlement capitalists" running around out there. Hes a good businessman, good at much of what he does. But hes a thug in the free market as far as competition goes. He hates competition.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 05:39 PM
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There's an flaw in your argument.

The founding fathers were not psychics. However, we can examine the past. And, seeing how society has changed it is a foolish belief that we can simply have a government as we did in 1776.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 05:42 PM
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have you ever heard of someone so arrogant?


Yes- Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Perry, Palin, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter.....



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 05:42 PM
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Yes, I have been deeply affected by everything that is happening. I just do not advocate socialism, and that is what Obama is bringing to us.
I have heard of technology for free renewable energy and I would support that if it is for real. I just do not support paying customers paying for something then non taxpaying individuals getting the same benefit for free just because of some persons spouting nonsense about ecnomic justice.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 05:53 PM
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One of these days we will see that socialism was an idea dreamed up, developed and nurtured by the wealthy barrons or the world. This may at first sound absurd but socialism was born of the land barrons. When the industral revolution hit the idea was simply tweaked and ajusted to fit new conditions.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 06:10 PM
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www.stopliberallies.com...


The Federal National Mortgage Association, which had been created in 1938 to fill the void left by bank failures, functioned by purchasing home loans from independent originators known as mortgage bankers. Fannie Mae, as it was later called, acted like a giant national bank, financing mortgages from all over the country. At that time, it did not issue any mortgage securities. Instead, it funded its holdings by issuing bonds, as an agency of the federal government. To get Fannie Mae debt off its books, the government privatized it by selling shares to investors. The government may have retained an implicit promise not to allow Fannie Mae to fail, but this implicit promise appeared nowhere on the government’s balance sheet.



Selling Fannie Mae, however, still left the government issuing debt to finance mortgages under loan programs of the Federal Housing Administration (fha) and the Veterans Administration (va). To take these mortgage loans off the books, Johnson created the Government National Mortgage Association (gnma), which pooled loans insured byfha-va into securities and sold them to investors. Thus, the government no longer had to issue its own bonds to finance these mortgages, but it continued to guarantee that fha-va mortgages would not default.



There's your debt bomb. Securitization and privatization of govt debt resulting from entitlement housing loans. If there was insufficient regulation, it was because it was deliberately overlooked and Barney Frank was involved. He is as crooked as the day is long. And he sits and buffs his nails like a girl during interviews.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 06:12 PM
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your reply although very well written has nothing to do with the FACT that the OP's title article has been parsed and multiple sentences from the speech removed to make the President seem to say something that was NOT said, in fact quite the opposite was said.

the reason that this thread in its entirety should be moved to the hoax bin has nothing to do with partisan politics...im not even a democrat, nor did i vote for Obama.

it is a hoax when someone is quoted as saying something that they in fact did not say. it is libelous actually.
if the same treatment had been given, to a speech by Bush, or any other politician i would in fact have reacted exactly the same way. perhaps you should go to the presidents speech and check out what he actually said prior to making knee jerk conclusions about posters political positions.

I gladly support every Americans right to dissent, this has nothing to do with it. if you would like i can re-post the speech in its entirety so you dont have to go back to page 2 and read the SOLID debunking that this tripe has been given.

i expect better from Mods...


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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 06:20 PM
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The full text has already been posted. The fact is that the President does not believe in free enterprise except where his own books are concerned, and he has consistently thumbed his nose at the very pillars of American enterprise and is attempting a very nasty Marxist coup takeover of the US.
What is especially disgusting about this is that he has built the whole thing on the lie that he is even eligible as POTUS and that no one has been able to stop him because our hands are tied by the Constitution and his aren't. What's even worse is the people in power don't have any intent on removing him from his seat of power because he serves their purpose for a One World Govt.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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"Socialism"

.....my God, I don't think Joseph McCarthy got half the mileage out of that word that the current right wing squeezes out of it. They have people shouting it who have absolutely no idea what it means.

President Obama is only a socialist when viewed from the distance of the extreme right that now dominates the GOP rhetoric. The far left looks at Obama and derides him as Republican!

The President is a moderate in extreme times. The rest is just bad breath and shouting in my opinion.
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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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What else has this clown got to say other then everything this country is about and has been about does not work.Its just another way to pitch socialism/communism.He thinks just because he says it, it is true.

Sadly once again its not about this mental deficient and his socialist propaganda, its about the people that will actually belive him,the ones that think that doing the same thing over again even though it has never worked (and to this day you can see how badly socialism/communism is destorying countrys all over the world), but in there own little insane world what Obama says is totally true.

You can not change the minds of insane people that don't realize just how defective they are, you can only hope they don't end up in control of your country................................like we have.




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