Obama: Limited Gov't That Preserves Free Markets 'Doesn't Work. It Has Never Worked

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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1


Who are you posting for?

Macman Inc.
Who else?
Who are you posting for?



Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Some corporation because this is a literate word for word as you are no doubt a paid shill working on the behest of some corporation to defend the Coporotacracy and Corporatism to the death and if you fail you'd be fired.

Yep, sure sure there little man.
Unless you have some form of proof, like my name linked to said company, or a W2/W4/I9, you are just doing what you do best, spinning the wheels of your BS mobile.





Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

I am speaking on behalf of the nation and my dealing with Govt, corporations, conglomerates is the items I need!

Now that is funny.
I did not realize that you were deemed the all powerful spokesman of said peoples.
You really are diluted aren't you?


Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Go away you shill!

MISINFORMAITON, DISINFORMATION AGENT IDENTIFIED!
THREAT TO ATS IDENTIFIED!

GOOD BYE!

I do believe the last time you called someone names, you were spanked by the mods, had some of your ATS points taken away and then in turn blamed me, as if I type for you.
Better watch the name calling there.
Your gonna get spanked again.




posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


Codex Alluminatrius died a slow painful death when it wasn't renewed before December 31, 2009 and all new plans that even remotely suggest a revival of sorts will not be considered.

Hence why there's this push now to make places like fast food joints go healthy. Wendy's, KFC, Taco Bell,Checkers/Rally's, Burger King uses real products in matters of real meat, grains, produce, fruits, sweets. Aspartame, sucarlose free products are readily available so this shuts down programs like Monostato and any new program they dream up of tomorrow.



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Codex began simply enough when the U.N. authorized the World Health Organization and the Food and Agriculture Organization to develop a universal food code. Their purpose was to 'harmonize' regulations for dietary supplements worldwide and set international safety standards for the purposes of increased trade. Pharmaceutical interests stepped in and began exerting their influence. Instead of focusing on food safety, Codex is using its power to promote worldwide restrictions on vitamins and food supplements, severely limiting their availability and dosages.
REAL GOALS OF CODEX
This is to bring about international 'harmonization.' While global harmony sounds benign, is that the real purpose of this plan? While the stated goal of Codex is to establish unilateral regulations for dietary supplements in every country, the actual goal is to outlaw health products and information on vitamins and dietary supplements, except those under their direct control. These regulations would supersede United States domestic laws without the American people's voice or vote in the matter.





In fact, under the terms of the Uruguay Round of GATT, which created the World Trade Organization, the United States agreed to harmonize its domestic laws to the international standards. This includes standards for dietary supplements being developed by the United Nation's Codex Alimentarius Commission's Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Use.

The Uruguay Round Agreements carry explicit language clearly indicating that the U.S. must harmonize to international standards:

"Members are fully responsible under this Agreement for the observance of all provisions.... members shall formulate and implement positive measures and mechanisms in support of the observance of the provisions.... by other than central government bodies." [WTO TBT Agreement at Article 3.5]"

In other words, the federal government must NOT ONLY CHANGE FEDERAL LAW, but must ALSO require state and local governments to change their laws as well to be in accordance with international law.

Not only that, but Codex Alimentarius is now enforceable through the World Trade Organization (WTO). If a country disagrees with or refuses to follow Codex standards, the WTO applies pressure by withdrawing trade privileges and imposing crippling trade sanctions. Congress has already bowed to this pressure several times and so have the governments of many countries.

Due to the enormous pressures put on them by lobbyists from multinational corporations (who contribute millions to congressional campaigns), Congress bowed to pressure and changed U.S. laws.
It appears our government (as well as al others) is being manipulated one way or another to serve the goals of the UN, the World Health Organization and the World Trade Organization. Food control equals people control -- and population control. Is this beginning to sound like world government and one-world order? Could this be the real goal behind Codex Alimentarius?




www.natural-health-information-centre.com...

Interestingly, I found an article which supports the position that Codex regulations have forced American restaurants to comply with International Trans Fat regulations.
www.news-medical.net...


So your suggestion that Codex is dead and therefore suddenly restaurants are allowed to serve better food is nonsense.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 03:11 PM
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this is a literate word for word



At the risk of sounding like Google, did you mean "literal"?



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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The Trans Fat ban was done on a State level which killed it! Codex had no involvement with that.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


The Trans Fat ban was done on a State level which killed it! Codex had no involvement with that.


What you are simply not getting is that the US signing away our sovereignty has forced the States to adopt Codex regulations.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 03:58 PM
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The 106th - 110th never voted on it and it died and the 111th and any future Congress was told don't even think about it!
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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


The 106th - 110th never voted on it and it died and the 111th and any future Congress was told don't even think about it!
edit on 28-12-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)



Again, you haven't done your homework. While Codex in the US may have been initially struck down, the WtO is exercising it's power over us.


The U.S. obeys WTO

Codex standards and guidelines were originally intended to be voluntary, i.e., each nation could obey or disobey them. But that began to change when the various nations signed new treaties at the Uruguay Round of General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), at which time the World Trade Organization (WTO) came into existence. According to the treaty the United States signed at Uruguay, we are required to obey the rulings of the WTO. The WTO has enforcement power through a new international court, the Dispute Settlement Body, which does not follow our rules of evidence and wherein our interests are represented by unelected government bureaucrats.


educate-yourself.org...
Here it is from WTO standpoint

www.wto.org...

On one hand I hear you saying that corporations are controlling your right to decide what food to eat, and then on the other you are denying that Codex the very International mechanism for controlling what you eat is affecting you.
Make up your mind already.
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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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As long as The Congress has not singed off to extend the WTO's provsions domestically we are legally not beholden to them hence why Codex is dead stateside!

I don't care or give a toss what the WTO thinks or even The IMF, BIS or even WHO think for that matter! It's now about what we, The American public think of this exercising our right and power as The 4th Branch Of Government, the only one that matters as the people recently declared no sale and that is what killed it. Hence why you don't hear of it being spoke about domestically anymore!

It was an attempt to try and interject their will upon us is effectively dead and that's all that matters!

Cereal makers, breakfast food makers, lunch food companies, pasta makers, have all said no sale!

Con Agra Foods, Kellogg's, Ralston-Purina, General Mills, Malt O Meal, independent food companies that package house brands for food stores, dinner food companies, salad companies, farmers have all opted out of Codex effectively killing it!

Can't mandate a law if the very companies who you need to implement it refuse to follow suit now can you? The difference between this and financial reform is that financial reform is already law and compulsory!
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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
 


Deregulate the markets and the oversights and to Indonesia we will become!

There is no human rights protections, no safety protections, no environmental protections, no worker protections in Indonesia! Strip the regulations and oversight here and we will become them!
edit on 28-12-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)


AGAIN, I NEVER STATED NO GOVT.
Is that clear now?
Should I write it in crayon?
No one ever said no Govt.
Why is this so difficult for you?


So what are you advocating for? It is easy to say "small government" but evidently the conservative mantra applies only to social services. You were a soldier, perhaps still are, so why the heck would you hate the government?

When I was in high school I was in rotc and went on field trips to military bases. We did all kinds of excercises from tear gas, to jogging miles, to marching for chow, to shooting rifles and exploding grenades, field navigation with compass, etc.

I love the government and still do! Why do you hate it when it feeds you



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:27 PM
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Please tell me.

Do soldiers look down upon a democrat potus?

Do they refuse orders and look at him as LESS than commander-in-chief?

I mean we can't have a dick cheney everywhere.........



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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mac, someone pulled this argument on me last night. For some reason certain people read the opposition to big govt as a desire for no govt at all, and a desire for minimal taxation as a desire for no taxation at all hence no govt functions at all. This is a silly argument and applies only to the most anarchic of individuals. It also seems to me an attempt at using a histrionic vision to paint their opponents badly.


No hysterics from me, since I assume you are probably alluding to me. Conservatives exaggerate and so does eveyone else. You fight fire with fire. You say you want a smaller government and I say we need a better government. I don't make the case for a huge government, as I know cuts should be made in places that need them.

But I am not a hypocrite to say LETS CUT SOCIAL SERVICES at the TOP OF MY AGENDA!


The DOD is missing $2.3 trillions officially, $4-$5 trillion to corporate welfare that should never happen under capitalism, low tariffs that encourage globalisation and 3 simultanous wars being fought. Thats something like 60% of our total deficit right there....ALL WASTED!

Then consider how many wealthy people are taking advantage of tax loopholes to park their money or invest it in other countries. The middle class and poor are the last people you or anyone else should blame. Blame corporations lobbying washington like ows is doing rather than have so much negativity towards them. I mean they are trying to help and some people backstab it. I can understand if you are rich but why everyone else. It is not necessarily about socialism, it is at least about making capitalism fair again.
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posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 06:22 AM
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Ha!, that $5 Trillion quote is actually a low end estimated and is no doubt astronomically higher.



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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Yeah but they don't make a big deal about that. They only make a big deal about social services that people pay into for their retirement and general welfare. It would sound absurd at first, but conservatives are known to conserve wealth and the sick status quo that supports them.

If you notice almost all masons are conservative in that they believe in a supreme being(religious) and have a decent paying job. These people are clannish in nature and like to keep secrets.

Perhaps there is a direct relationship between masonry, the koch brothers. rothschilds and tea party.

GLOBAL CAPITALISM and the destruction of socialism. The most pathetic attempt to denigrate socialism is by aquainting it to marxism and using stalin and mao as scapegoats to paint all "socialists" as evil, while intentionally and constantly confusing it with communism. I am not going to name any members but this is a trend I have observed for years now.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 04:08 AM
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obama doesnt need our help in making him look like an idiot, he does a great job at that himself



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
 


Deregulate the markets and the oversights and to Indonesia we will become!

There is no human rights protections, no safety protections, no environmental protections, no worker protections in Indonesia! Strip the regulations and oversight here and we will become them!
edit on 28-12-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)


AGAIN, I NEVER STATED NO GOVT.
Is that clear now?
Should I write it in crayon?
No one ever said no Govt.
Why is this so difficult for you?


So what are you advocating for? It is easy to say "small government" but evidently the conservative mantra applies only to social services. You were a soldier, perhaps still are, so why the heck would you hate the government?

When I was in high school I was in rotc and went on field trips to military bases. We did all kinds of excercises from tear gas, to jogging miles, to marching for chow, to shooting rifles and exploding grenades, field navigation with compass, etc.

I love the government and still do! Why do you hate it when it feeds you

SO, why do I dislike the Federal Govt so much?
Because it does very little outside taking away individual rights and encroaches on States Rights.
It reaches into my paycheck and takes from me, to provide for others in the form of Nation Building and wildly abused welfare.
It does not listen to anything but itself.
It does not follow the laws it creates, yet turns around and screams holy hell when the citizen doesn't follow the same laws and rules.
It continues to grow, provide for itself with no end in sight.

That is the main reasons I could define right off the top of my head.
The Federal Govt does not "feed" me.
When I was in, I worked hard in my career field, very hard. I, in fact did 2 different career fields. So, I did earn what I made.



Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by macman
 


Please tell me.

Do soldiers look down upon a democrat potus?

Do they refuse orders and look at him as LESS than commander-in-chief?

I mean we can't have a dick cheney everywhere.........

Ok, this is a little difficult to answer, but I will do my best.

As a whole, the military member does not like Democrat Presidents. They typically dislike the Military as a whole, and really don't use it how it was intended.
Now, the military member dislikes the Democrat Congress & Senate even more, because they typically axe military budgets, which in turn affect the paycheck of the said military member.

Now, again, as a whole, the military member signed up, knowing that power can and will shift, in DC. It goes with the territory. The military member does not refuse orders, regardless of who is in power.

But, when the President is from a military background themselves, they are held in higher regard, then the non military background President.

Does that answer the questions?



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by macman

SO, why do I dislike the Federal Govt so much?
Because it does very little outside taking away individual rights and encroaches on States Rights.


Harping on state rights is wrong. The united states of america is exactly what it implies, a federation of states under a national government. USA is not the EU(European Union) of nation states loosely attached to brussels, it is much more than that.

The people who harp on state rights think america is still a union. NOPE! Giving states more rights can be both good or bad, depending on the social makeup of each state.


It reaches into my paycheck and takes from me, to provide for others in the form of Nation Building and wildly abused welfare.


Which is exactly what all nations do. Wildely abused welfare is an absurd way of looking at reality.


It does not listen to anything but itself.
It does not follow the laws it creates, yet turns around and screams holy hell when the citizen doesn't follow the same laws and rules.


If you happen to have enough purchasing power, then it will listen to you more..wink, wink, wink


It continues to grow, provide for itself with no end in sight.

That is the main reasons I could define right off the top of my head.


That is a vastly debateable topic, but since you primarly focus on social welfare, our discussion would prove fruitless yet again.


The Federal Govt does not "feed" me.
When I was in, I worked hard in my career field, very hard. I, in fact did 2 different career fields. So, I did earn what I made.


Well, I did not exactly say you stole the money, now did I? You feel bad when I use "feed", yet when people support wall street over unions(and mock ows) they imply exactly the same thing in that corporations "feed" the economy.

That is not true as corporations use the bail out money to invest in third world developing economies. See two can play the same game with relative ease.

Nobody is really feeding someone else. Usually they earn it!



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Ok, this is a little difficult to answer, but I will do my best.

As a whole, the military member does not like Democrat Presidents. They typically dislike the Military as a whole, and really don't use it how it was intended.
Now, the military member dislikes the Democrat Congress & Senate even more, because they typically axe military budgets, which in turn affect the paycheck of the said military member.

Now, again, as a whole, the military member signed up, knowing that power can and will shift, in DC. It goes with the territory. The military member does not refuse orders, regardless of who is in power.

But, when the President is from a military background themselves, they are held in higher regard, then the non military background President.

Does that answer the questions?


Thanks for trying your best. It means a lot to me when someone is brave enough to confirm that the military is composed of a lot of right wing lunatic nut-jobs, and that when marital law gets declared by a republican president, most soliders will have no quarrels of detaining american citizens and throwing them in fema detention centers.

Obama is a helpless traitor, as the center-left has always belonged to the right, just as much as the tea party was an astroturfing koch brother inovation. The republicans were embarrased by bush/cheney so the tea party is going to rescue them with ron "the messiah" paul to the rescue.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 01:03 PM
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There are no rules in war and free market is a battlefield.

Battlefield over resources, power and influence.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by shogu666
There are no rules in war and free market is a battlefield.

Battlefield over resources, power and influence.


That is the conservative way of looking at it when government gets reduced to a bunch of corporate clowns.

Every day that passes and the corruption continues the more convinced I get america needs a hardcore socialist dictatorship for a few years and then PERHAPS we can try having a moderate democracy. People have been dumbed down to such an incredible/unbelievable level that they seem uncapable of making wise choices anymore.



posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by macman

Ok, this is a little difficult to answer, but I will do my best.

As a whole, the military member does not like Democrat Presidents. They typically dislike the Military as a whole, and really don't use it how it was intended.
Now, the military member dislikes the Democrat Congress & Senate even more, because they typically axe military budgets, which in turn affect the paycheck of the said military member.

Now, again, as a whole, the military member signed up, knowing that power can and will shift, in DC. It goes with the territory. The military member does not refuse orders, regardless of who is in power.

But, when the President is from a military background themselves, they are held in higher regard, then the non military background President.

Does that answer the questions?


Thanks for trying your best. It means a lot to me when someone is brave enough to confirm that the military is composed of a lot of right wing lunatic nut-jobs, and that when marital law gets declared by a republican president, most soliders will have no quarrels of detaining american citizens and throwing them in fema detention centers.

Obama is a helpless traitor, as the center-left has always belonged to the right, just as much as the tea party was an astroturfing koch brother inovation. The republicans were embarrased by bush/cheney so the tea party is going to rescue them with ron "the messiah" paul to the rescue.


Yep, yep.
All Military are just Right wing nut jobs.


Sure sure.

Here I thought we were making progress in coming to an understanding, and you come back with this.
Come on. Think this through a bit then come back.





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