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Obama: Limited Gov't That Preserves Free Markets 'Doesn't Work. It Has Never Worked

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posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


It's not his fault for others failing to harden and encrypt their WiFi signals. Besides, seeing what they have all stolen means that a little internet access is far minute by comparison.
edit on 8-12-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)


I have not stolen anything. Why he is talking about wifi anyway is beyond me since I specifically mentioned the lines being laid down by union workers but whatever. He got so upset that he could not argue away the founding fathers and their socialist programs that still work wonderfully today he brought up wifi and made up a story about me stealing it. Not sure why at all. I do not have wifi and I do not get what wifi has to do with anything.




posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Algernonsmouse
Yet you are part of the same crowd here on ATS that seems so bent on getting rid of Obama, you will vote for Newt Gingrich, Goldman Sachs Lobbiest.


Oh goodie .. yes please .. let's go there ....
and so on and so on and so on ...

Flys in the face of Obama's campaign promise that 'no lobbiest will find a job in my administration'.


I thought you were going to go there?
My post was about Newt Gingrich.
Where did you go?



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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This is so far from irrelevant it is not funny, Denying someone access to the internet because they can't afford a $70 + a month internet connect card. Deny someone access to something that's fast becoming a right?

Someone does have to pay yes, a small tax to guarandamntee that the entire land area of The United States Of America is one massively giant WiFi hotspot is the end result here and care not for what anyone thinks about this.

For every major advancement comes a small price!


You again? Time for a spanking I Guess.

The internet is not a right. Never has been.

The companies providing free WIFI, at the ISP level, are doing so under the guise of Free.
It is not free, nothing ever is. They charge higher fees to the paying customers, get a tax right off from the Govt and then get to parade around as if they are the Champions of the Internet.
But, so long as the Keynesian Economic plans of Obama and Company keep marching, it will always appear as free, so long you ignore your Pay Statement and the amount TAKEN from you, to give to the others.



Who forces you to buy internet access from anyone?
Sounds like you are complaining that companies do what companies want to do and then pass the cost onto you. Isn't that um...the free market?



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by Destinyone
 


My WiFi has a password attached to it.

Theft is wrong! We are better then that!
edit on 8-12-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)



So you have a password for your wifi but you think others who engage in Wardriving are ok? So they can steal from others just not you personally?

I would like to remind that Wardriving is considered unauthorized access.


Can I remind you that wardriving is the strawman you made up because you did not want to address roads people drive on with cars to get from a to b?



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Aparently not everyone here regards the OP as BS. I would refer you to some of the other posters explanations of it, as my going over it is just redundant.

edit on 8-12-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)


People agree with the "sentiment" in the OP...but as far as the claim that President Obama ever said "Limited Gov't That Preserves Free Markets 'Doesn't Work. It Has Never Worked"

That is directly contradicted by his actual words and the transcript of the speech.

So perhaps offer me some other explanation why folks are fevershly and once again championing a lie in order to fondle their own particular political opinions?

Again...we will never improve our politics unless we begin with HONEST debate.



I would like to know how Obama is not the greatest US president ever since almost every complaint I read or hear about him such as this one is a complete fabrication made up just in order to get upset with him over something that never happened. I am starting to want to vote for him this time.



posted on Dec, 8 2011 @ 11:23 PM
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You're applying cultural norms from back then to today, they were human. If you were alive then, you'd have thought nothing of it I'm sure. The British had slaves, and marginalized women as well. The founders however had the courage to fight against impossible odds for their freedom. They formed the document our country is based on, and their system paved the way for abolishing of slavery, and women's rights. For a society only a couple hundred years old, our culture became mostly fair and tolerant very quickly. Now, all people are protected under the Constitution, regardless of race or gender.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 12:49 AM
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Quote: ""Now, all people are protected under the Constitution, regardless of race or gender.""

That's not true at all. It is in writing, but we know white Europeans are very much discriminated against.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 12:58 AM
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posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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The full text has already been posted. The fact is that the President does not believe in free enterprise except where his own books are concerned, and he has consistently thumbed his nose at the very pillars of American enterprise and is attempting a very nasty Marxist coup takeover of the US.
What is especially disgusting about this is that he has built the whole thing on the lie that he is even eligible as POTUS and that no one has been able to stop him because our hands are tied by the Constitution and his aren't. What's even worse is the people in power don't have any intent on removing him from his seat of power because he serves their purpose for a One World Govt.




I swear by god this is where you sound Gonzo, where is the coup?

If there no attempt at a coup will you apologize for being dumbass at least ?



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 05:55 AM
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posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 05:57 AM
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Originally posted by Algernonsmouse

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Algernonsmouse
Yet you are part of the same crowd here on ATS that seems so bent on getting rid of Obama, you will vote for Newt Gingrich, Goldman Sachs Lobbiest.

Oh goodie .. yes please .. let's go there ....
and so on and so on and so on ...
Flys in the face of Obama's campaign promise that 'no lobbiest will find a job in my administration'.

I thought you were going to go there? My post was about Newt Gingrich. Where did you go?

You slammed Newt for his lobbiest ways ... and so it is only fair to bring up that Obama is up to his eyeballs in it. Much more so than Newt. Read the INFORMATION presented .. and then try your partisan slamming of Newt without also slamming Obama. To do otherwise is hypocrisy.


Originally posted by Algernonsmouse
I would like to know how Obama is not the greatest US president ever ...

OH MY GOD.


. I am starting to want to vote for him this time.

are you even 18 years old yet?


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posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 06:05 AM
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Greece is a special case, and yeah, their crisis is largely the result of wasteful spending...and they would have collapsed anyway at one point. However, the main reason all those European countries are in trouble isn't because of social services. They're in trouble because they all fell victim to risky derivatives investments by (mostly) US hedgefunds. Governments invest money too to afford paying for services, and if a company like Goldman comes along and sells them "AAA" investments that then turn out to be complete turds, the whole thing blows up in their face.

In addition, the US is currently waging a currency war that makes the situation even worse. The US knows that their currency is slowly turning into toilet paper. When I went to the US as a kid, I had to pay over 2 Swiss Franks for every dollar...we're now at 0.92 Swiss Franks per US$. The US has 2 ways to get out of their mess:

1) Economic growth: We all know that's not going to happen...
2) Convince investors that the "other currencies" are off even worse. And that's exactly what they're doing.

The European deficits are bad, no doubt about it. But the US is waaaaaaaaaaaay worse off. For crying out loud, BofA alone made US taxpayers liable for $75 TRILLION (!!!) of their (mostly European) risky derivatives investments. So if Europe falls, their strategy of making other currencies seem worse will backfire. It won't hurt your hedgefunds that bought sock puppet politicians, but it will turn the entire population into debt slaves. Your government allows those Wall Street companies to roll over all losses onto the backs of taxpayers. Not sure what to call it, but it's waaaaaaaaay worse than those few billion Europe spends on social services. And that's just BofA!!!

In short, it's an illusion that Europe's the main problem here, and if you bothered to check up on the numbers, you'd realize this.

Not saying it's all peachy in Europe, because it isn't...but in the grander scheme of things, it's not as bad as people make it out to be. The reason the markets worry is because they know that unless Europe gets bailed out, the US economy will crumble...or at least the taxpayers will be all screwed.
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posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 06:14 AM
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There's your debt bomb. Securitization and privatization of govt debt resulting from entitlement housing loans. If there was insufficient regulation, it was because it was deliberately overlooked and Barney Frank was involved. He is as crooked as the day is long. And he sits and buffs his nails like a girl during interviews.


And that's exactly the main issue!! In Europe, they're worried about government debt mostly...in the US, thanks to bought politicians, it's not just government debt, it's also debt of your Wall Street companies. They're rolling losses of the private industry over to the taxpayer.

That's why the situation in the US is really a lot worse than in Europe. The only reason the US$ hasn't collapsed yet is because it's the world's reserve currency. When the Sterling was replaced as the world's reserve currency, it lost 80% of it's value...and it's only a matter of time before the dollar is replaced. Europe's been pushing for it (and now suffers a currency war because of it), China pushes for it, most of South America pushes for it, the Middle East pushes for it, and of course Russia too. In the medium term, the US will lose their status as the world's reserve currency...and that should worry everyone living in the US.

Not sure why this thread is still going by the way, it's been proven time and again that the "free market doesn't work" statement is in fact correct. Whether you like or dislike Obama (I'm in the latter category), at least in this case, he is 100% correct...and the same goes for trickle-down economics.
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posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 07:11 AM
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He is both wrong and right. Yes totally free markets do not work, this is why certain things were founded like Unions, et, but neither does taxation and larger government.
What there needs to be is a balance, stupid laws taken off the books, other laws that are needed be enforced instead of looking the other way, and they need to close tax loopholes, no matter if the tax is 5% or 35% what they need to make sure of is they cannot get away with paying 0%. Like most do now.Simplify tax law, and make regulations against lobbying, corporate ownership of our government. We need laws to protect employees and the environment, that's it. We also need to stop trading with those who will not stand by these laws themselves like China. Some tariffs would be pretty motivational for the country of China.
So he is correct and yet he's also incorrect.

ETA: He left the most important thing out too, to STOP GOVERNMENT SPENDING!!!
Every American is expected to tighten our belts, well this goes for the military machine too!
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posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 07:39 AM
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Free market, no free market it's meaningless to the workers of the world as its just talk and words and theoretical concept...I bet any money whatever happens the average working American will continue to be like the average working Brit and the average working person in general across the globe...that is they will be getting poorer and poorer!



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 08:09 AM
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Free market isnt without its faults. However, what is the alternative?



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 08:10 AM
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All those high school students should have agreed to all get up and leave as soon as he started his bull# speech.

Everything that comes out of Obama's mouth is nothing but bull#. There is no need to pay attention to him. Not enough Americans realize yet that he is just a puppet with no true power.



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by kellynap43
reply to post by MrXYZ
 


Free market isnt without its faults. However, what is the alternative?



A good alternative would be to find a good balance between regulation and free market. It should be obvious that Dodd-Frank was a joke, and more regulation of the financial industry is needed, even if that goes against the "free market" spirit. The same goes for environmental protection. It can't be that oil companies buy politicians so they won't have to spend $80k on an item that could prevent disastrous oil spills. Regulation isn't always bad, often it serves to PROTECT the public, which is why the "small government" guys often come over the top with their "remove regulations" demands.

Whatever regulations they introduce, it should serve and protect the MAJORITY of the population, and NOT some select few fatcats sitting on the board of Goldman or Exxon



posted on Dec, 9 2011 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by IshmaelKipling
All those high school students should have agreed to all get up and leave as soon as he started his bull# speech.

Everything that comes out of Obama's mouth is nothing but bull#. There is no need to pay attention to him. Not enough Americans realize yet that he is just a puppet with no true power.


Not a fan of Obama, but are you saying he was wrong by saying the "free market doesn't work"? Because if you are, you are 100% WRONG




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