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reply posted on 24-10-2006 @ 07:23 PM by Hellmutt
MV Estonia's Sinking Animation

A computer animation of how the passenger cruise ferry Estonia sank in a September storm in 1994.


I'm still not convinced that this is the way it happened.

[object width="425" height="350">[embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/4pNisGDePGk" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350">



[edit on 2006/10/24 by Hellmutt]


reply posted on 28-10-2006 @ 06:22 PM by Hellmutt
Originally posted by Hellmutt

the military has to answer to this by November 13th.

I found a blog in english mentioning some more details about this. Someone has apparently removed some evidence from Estonia, and they claim that only the Swedish or the Finnish military could have done it.

What is the Military Hiding About the Estonia?

October 26th, 2006



The Swedish military is in trouble for covering up something about the 1994 sinking of the ferry Estonia.

Swedish Green Party MP Lars Ångström has pointed to images taken by divers immediately after the September 28 sinking and others taken later. These show something has happened during the period in between, a railing has been cut off. This, he believes, means that someone was secretly diving around the wreck, and seems to have removed something.

Since the location of the wreck was kept secret, only the Swedish and Finnish military, Ängström says, knew where to dive.

Lars Ångström filed a complaint with the Sweden Chancellor of Justice, who called on the military for an explanation. Now the chancellor says the military’s explanation is faulty, and he wants more.



reply posted on 24-11-2006 @ 08:59 PM by Hellmutt
A film made as part of the Estonia investigation has vanished without a trace. The film included pictures of the sunken Estonia and the seabed around the wreck. Somebody doesn't want the truth to be known...


Aftenposten: Estonia film missing

22 Nov 2006



A film that may hold vital clues to the mystery surrounding the worst disaster in the Baltic Sea in modern times, the shipwreck of the passenger ferry Estonia, has vanished.

In August Sweden's State Forensic Laboratory (SKL) asked for the film to be delivered there after beginning a comprehensive investigation of existing film and photographic evidence from the shipwreck. The Inspectorate has searched for the film for three months without success, and cannot explain how it has disappeared from its archives.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



reply posted on 24-11-2006 @ 10:12 PM by Hellmutt
Sweden's foreign minister Carl Bildt does not want to raise the wreck of Estonia. He says that the constant raising of this subject is reopening old wounds for the relatives. A bit strange, since the relatives wants a new investigation and also wants to raise the wreck of Estonia...


Baltic Times: No need to raise wreck of ferry Estonia

Nov 22, 2006



On Nov. 22, the Swedish foreign minister's claimed that there is no need to raise the wreck of the ferry Estonia that went down in the Baltic Sea in 1994. The sinking of the ferry Estonia was a great tragedy for both Sweden and Estonia, Carl Bildt said today at a news conference in Tallinn. According to Bildt, the constant raising of the subject reopens old wounds for the victims' relatives.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



reply posted on 27-11-2006 @ 10:44 PM by Hellmutt
Divers hired by the Swedish government were looking for a specific suitcase. This might explain why the Swedish government was so eager to bury the wreck in concrete.

M/S Estonia: Information from Answers.com

According to Rabe, divers hired by the Swedish government (signing contracts swearing lifetime secrecy) spent hours breaking into cabins frantically searching for a black attaché case carried by a Russian space technology dealer, Aleksandr Voronin. She highlighted US interest in various Soviet technology, including nuclear-powered satellites. It has been suggested that panic about the stability of some form of nuclear device is the most likely reason behind the initial Swedish government suggestion of burying the wreck in concrete, a highly unusual proposal for a wreck, reminiscent of Chernobyl's sarcophagus.

emphasis mine

The surviving Estonian crewmembers who later disappeared.
Same source as above

In early 2005, Jutta Rabe reported that a helicopter log book had been found showing that some of the crew of the Estonia, including one of the captains, Avo Piht, had been flown to hospital after the disaster. These nine people, who would be strong eyewitnesses about the condition of and events on the ship, have since disappeared without trace.


The police controlled the diving survey

In the video material it is confirmed by the diving control that the police are in charge, though they instruct the divers to not brake in to any more cabins. This can be seen and heard in the video tape made by Rockwater 04-12-94 marked "tape no. 15". At index 0.25 to 0.35 when the divers investigate certain cabins checking for a suitcase the following can be heard:

[-(transcript)-]

From this tape, in blue above, it is clear that they carefully were investigating the cabins for certain objects, among those suitcases. The first suitcase they found seem to be the one they were looking for. In red, it is clear that the police was in control of the investigation. They were only interested in some cabins, others they did not bother to brake in to. It is also known from survivors that a person during the last trip was having an attache case locked to his arm. This person dressed in a wine red suite was having the dinner together with the crew and he moved unrestricted among the crew. From information regarding other trips with the Estonia this man was seen aboard many times carrying the attache case.

Most interesting is that Alexander and Vassili Voronin both have stated that they together with Vassili's grandfather were staying in a luxury four bed cabin 6320. There is no such cabin. But there is a luxury four bed cabin No: 6230 where Alexander's attache case was found. However, there is a catch, this cabin was Captain Avo Piht's. Therefore I think it is clear that Avo Piht and Voronin had some business together, and that it was of such interest that the police had to investigate and find Voronin's attache case.


Thank you, makeitso, for the tip


reply posted on 10-12-2006 @ 05:22 PM by Hellmutt
Estonia's "military cargo" was known by the investigators but they won't say what the cargo was. They say it did not cause the sinking, but it caused the secrecy afterwards. Evelyn Sepp (Est) said acording to the article: what Russia has left behind in Estonia (country) now belongs to Estonia and it was illegal to sell it or give it away. And it was illegal and dangerous to transport it on a civilian vessel like Estonia. Whatever it was...




Voronin's suitcase?



In swedish only at the moment... (from December 8th 2006)

Dagens Nyheter: Estonias militärfrakt var känd av utredarna (in swedish...)

Svenska Dagbladet: Utredare kände till Estonias last (in swedish...)


Btw, Voronin apparently died in 2002...

source

Fortunately, the three members of the Voronin family survived the sinking, but Aleksandr is said to have died of a heart attack at age 45, in 2002, two weeks after Süddeutsche Zeitung, a leading German newspaper, published details of his weapons and space technology business in connection to the Estonia catastrophe.

As AFP has reported, Rabe points to a group of Russian nationalists from the former Soviet intelligence agencies being behind the sinking.


[edit on 2006/12/10 by Hellmutt]


reply posted on 20-12-2006 @ 04:36 AM by Hellmutt
Estonia demands all investigation material handed over from Sweden. They want to launch an investigation of their own, and they criticizes the swedish investigation. Estonia also want to search for people who might have survived the disaster but who are reported as missing. And they have confirmed that transportation of "military material" happened at least twice.


I could not find any links in english for some strange reason, so here are some scandinavian links instead:


SvD: Estland begär mer Estoniamaterial (in swedish...) - 20 december 2006

Dagbladet Information: Kommission: Hemmelige militærtransporter med "Estonia" (Ritzau) (in danish...) - 20 december 2006

Krever innsyn i svensk Estonia-materiale - HegnarOnline (in norwegian...) - 19 december

Expressen: Kommission vill söka Estonia-offer (in swedish...) - 19 December 2006

Norra Västerbotten: Kritik mot Sverige i Estoniarapport (in swedish...) - 19 December 2006

Barometern Oskarshamns-Tidningen: Kritik mot Sverige i Estoniarapport (in swedish...) - 19 December 2006

B.T.: Hemmelige militær-transporter med "Estonia" (in danish...) - 19 december 2006

Arbetarbladet: Estland förslår ny Estoniautredning (in swedish...) - 19 december 2006

SvD: Kritik mot Sverige i Estoniarapport (in swedish...) - 19 december

DN - Nyheter - Estland vill ha all svensk information om Estonia (in swedish...) - 19 december

Aftonbladet: Skandal i estländsk Estoniakommission (in swedish...) - 14 december

SvD: Oenig Estoniakommission i Estland (in swedish...) - 14 december
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