Good job Helmutt,

I've been reading this for the last week ( never enough time. lol ).

I find truly fascinating that something with so many discrepencies can still be afloat. But... thats what makes em' Conpiracies I guess.

What I find particularly interesting is the fact that this is still 'on-going' even after 12+ years. Unlike other conspiracies where they get fizzled out or just 'covered up' to the point of nothing tangible being availbable to research. This story however, has everything .

Congrats again,

Great job.

I too have been reading this thread and most of the linked material(with much interest), but I can't really come to the difinite conclusion(based on witness accounts and those photos where the link´s not broken) that explosions occurred. Have I missed something ? - Though a lot of witnesses state they heard explosions I think that coupled with the scraping noises they heard as well, it could just as easily have been heavy metal parts crashing down. That is not to say that I don´t think something was covered up, it certainly appears so - whatever it may be... Back when it happened I remember that there was alot of confusion as to the reason of the sinking but the conclusion filtered down to us through the Danish media was incompetent Estonian sailors and a damaged bow ramp/gate - whatever it´s called in English. But as far as I recall they were much more interested in the sole surviving Dane(can't remember if any more was on board though) than the reason.
Anyway, I´m new to this site and I see there´s a lot of interesting reading packed up in here. I´ll put on my sceptical spectacles and maybe pop up a comment/question now and then.

Mona Sahlin held a public speech on May 1st. Some nazis voiced protest, planned to ruin her speech and failed to do so, but that's not important. She said she's going to be Sweden's next Prime minister and she also said she'll support Hamas. I assume that she'll provide no help with finding the truth about the ferry Estonia disaster...

"Explosion could have sunk Estonia".

It's all over the Swedish news right now.

It looks like both a Swedish and a German team investigating the Estonia disaster have come to that conclusion.

Will be interesting to follow the development of this...

Hello all.

I was just wondering if there was any news or developments regarding the M/S Estonia. I know work is being done by safety-at-sea up in Scotland and there have been a few conferences in the past few years. But other than films going missing and Johan Franson insisting the validity of the Joint Accident Investigation Commission’s final report what else has happened recently? It seems to have gone quiet.

I can’t believe that such an important event and it’s subsequently blatant botched investigation can continue to be left ‘as is’? Has enough time passed where is has just been simply accepted, swept under the carpet or become the norm to let it fizzle out… I hope not.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying I believe the many conspiracy theories, but there is very obviously some unanswered questions that deserve a answers.

Where is Gregg Bemis in all of this? By the way, is any of his footage from his and Jutta Rabe’s 2000 expedition available to the general public?

All the best.

THanks IKEA. I've seen the "google video" but was wondering if there is anything a bit more substantial - to purchase even. I know Bemis was thinking about it to help fund the operation but don't know if any was actually released.

Thanks again.

I just want to add an observation for people who are perhaps naive enough to think that an investigation might blow the lid off a conspiracy such as the sinking of the Estonia. The fashion at the moment in repressing conspiracy theories goes like this:

News story 1: conspiracy theories might be right after all!
News story 2: there could just be something to the conspiracy theories after all!
Ditto for news stories 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9.
News story 10: Nope, looks like there was nothing to the conspiracy theories - it was just an accident!

They're doing this right now with the Princess Diana assassination and no doubt will be doing the same again very soon with the David Kelly assassination.

And, by the way, my conclusion is that the explosions that made gaping holes in the Estonia were made by two truck bombs using materials that were being tested for use at Oklahoma City seven months later. If you follow the trail carefully, you'll see it actually leads back to the US. These formerly neutral countries - Sweden and Finland - and the former Soviet-dominated Estonia are covering up for their new friend, the US. The Soviet/Russian secret weapons technology angle is all classic disinformation.


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