How did the 'Estonia' sink 1994?, page 3

I finally found an english article. From Finland:



Those "missing persons" is probably the nine Estonian crewmembers who were reportedly picked up by a helicopter and later reported as missing...

The Estonia Commission of the Estonian Parliament reported on Tuesday that military goods were transported on the ship twice in September 1994 shortly before it sank while en route from Tallinn to Stockholm, killing 852 people on board.

Helsingin Sanomat: New M/S Estonia report: military technology carried on doomed ship

Something bothers me about this. A minor detail was left out of that news article. What is it? Something's missing.

Oh. There's no link to the report. Perhaps I can find it.

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The final report (pdf)

From The Parliament of Estonia; Select, Investigation, Problem Committee

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If you'll overlook the fun I was having while making the post above, you may have gone on to look at the Parliment investigation Report. But if not, here are a few of the more interesting points in the report.

One of the the first things I noticed While reading the report was that the committee interviewed Vassili Voronin. This is notable because he is Alexander Veronin's son. They were both on the ferry the day it sank. Alexander is reported to have a briefcase handcuffed to himself while he was on the ferry. Some of that research has already been posted by Hellmutt.

The next thing that caught my eye was the listing of Estonian items that may have been of interest to 3rd parties.

Space electronics
High technology directing and surveillance devices (like underwater radio buoys, radars)
Anti-aircraft complexes (with marking S300)
Electronic control systems
Strategic missile systems
Russian space electronics that enabled military reconnaissance with infra-red cameras
Precious nonferrous metals & different rare earth metals. Several such shipments were radioactive
The so-called nuclear briefcases

Also interesting was this information:

According to the former chief of Swedish Military Intelligence MUST Major General Erik Rosander, a Volvo pickup vehicle was sent to Estonia that transported the goods to Stockholm on ferry Estonia in 14 September 1994. During the operation it turned out in Estonia that it was not possible to transport the electronics and the documents to Sweden in one shipment, therefore a week later, on the ferry Estonia that departed from Tallinn on 19 September another shipment with a Volkswagen van took place which according to Erik Rosander brought all materials to Sweden.

We seem to have verification from Swedish intelligence that the ferry was used to transport "high" technology more than once because they could not get it all in one shipment. The shipments were about a week apart. 14-09-94 and 19-09-94. It seems notable that the ferry sank the very next week on 27-09-94.

It doesn't seem illogical to "guess" that there was a third shipment, and that it was on the day of the sinking.

So I am wondering which of the above items could have been worth someone sinking the ferry to prevent a technology transfer, or which one may cause an explosion capable of sinking the ship. Remember, it would have to be something that would cause them to encase the ferry in cement instead of raising it to the surface.

[edit on 12/23/06 by makeitso]

Originally posted by anon_87154
This anonymous post is in response to ATS thread: How did the 'Estonia' sink 1994?

More than 100 survived, and some of them should have noticed when the report said Estonia "started to sink 1:14 and disappeared 1:50", when in fact the ferry Estonia started to sink at 1:05 and was gone 1:25?? Why hide this fact?

I don't know if any of the survivors noticed or looked at the clock when it happened. I haven't studied the eyewitness reports so much, to be honest.

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Here's a video I found on YouTube. MS Estonia.

YouTube: MS Estonia Estline Ferry

Short parts from original footage of the Estonia Ferry shortly before it sank in the Baltic Sea in the 28th of september 1994.

[object width="425" height="350">[embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/wU7vkCtofM0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350">

[edit on 2006/12/25 by Hellmutt]

Originally posted by Hellmutt

Sweden's foreign minister Carl Bildt does not want to raise the wreck of Estonia. He says that the constant raising of this subject is reopening old wounds for the relatives. A bit strange, since the relatives wants a new investigation and also wants to raise the wreck of Estonia...

News just broke (norwegian and swedish media) that Carl Bildt has been charged for corruption. The company Vostok Nafta (oil and gas) was mentioned, and also a planned pipeline and Gazprom. I don't know if this is related to ferry Estonia in any way, but I wonder...


edit: found an article in english...



[edit on 2007/1/8 by Hellmutt]

From an article I mentioned on page one (but I didn't include this quote) :

ePreamble


Ms Mona Sahlin - the Spider in the Net

The conspirators are today - year 2001 - headed by the Swedish deputy minister of trade and transport - Ms Mona Sahlin. She regularly states that the Final report (5) is generally correct and that no new information or facts have been presented showing that the official conclusions are 100% false. She bases her false statement on other false statements of the numerous co-conspirators mentioned above. It is very evident to anybody who has studied the developments, but nothing happens. We are told that the political position of Ms Sahlin is very strong and it is not possible to move her - to get a new investigation done. Too many embarrassing questions and answers would then be presented - it is best to censor the whole affair is the official message. It is a clever strategy - every Swedish citizen including, naturally, the members of Parliament shall become a co-conspirator.

And now, a news article from today... :

Hmmm. Something just happened. The Swedish government has lifted an embargo on some film footage, and the footage proves that the official report is wrong. The Swedish government has also requested that divers should be lifted from some gag-orders, so that they can talk freely about what they saw (big holes in the hull, which points to an explosion)...

Hellmutt
I don't know if any of the survivors noticed or looked at the clock when it happened. I haven't studied the eyewitness reports so much, to be honest.

I can't show it here due to copyrights, but some of the survivors did report the time that the "explosions", started, and what time the 2 major listing/heelings began.

This information is from what I consider to be one of the most authoratative reports to date. If the story only mildly interests you, perhaps starting at the Conclusions, and working your way backward is in order. Pay particular attention to Item 14, as it is closely related to this threads content.

Chapter 27 is also particularly interesting since it directly names individuals involved in the diving efforts. This is notable because up until now they have been under a gag order. This has just been lifted, per Hellmutts most recent report.

Perhaps one of our serious researchers can contact them for a brief interview, hint, hint.
It might turn out to be the ATS scoop of the year!

{edit} In addition, the article that Hellmutt linked provides us with the name of the institute, and the head researcher involved in the most recent study. A quick search finds a brief project summary and contact information, (in case someone cares to interview them for a scoop on the upcoming final report), along with their website, which includes their report up to October 2006. (5MB PDF)

Kudos to Hellmutt for keeping us updated!



[edit on 2/1/07 by makeitso]

Very interesting links, makeitso I haven't seen these eyewitness reports before. I know some of the survivors reported about explosions, but I didn't know there were so many. And the scraping noises from below, which sounded like the ferry Estonia had run aground, is news to me. I guess I need to reread some of these links...

Originally posted by Hellmutt

Here's a video I found on YouTube. MS Estonia.

I'm embedding this video of the ferry Estonia again with the new format, so also non-members can see.

If it turns out that ferry Estonia was sunk because someone were smuggling a Russian suitcase nuke (Voronin's suitcase), why would anyone want to do that? Terrorists would have a motive, of course. But then they would not get all this help to cover it up. But if one or more countries were involved in such an operation, what would they do with it when they got their hands on it? Study it? Any ideas?


Btw, at the time Estonia was sunk (September 28, 1994), neither Sweden or Finland were members of EU. They became members of EU in 1995. Neither Sweden or Finland have ever been members of NATO (but are part of the "Partnership for Peace nations"). Estonia got their independence in 1991, but the last Russian troops weren't pulled out until August 31, 1994, less than one month before Estonia was sunk. Estonia is now member of EU and NATO. Ferry Estonia was sunk in international waters. On the very day of the disaster, there was this NATO exercise in the Baltic Sea...
From page one of this thread:

Estonia Litigation Association


On the very day Estonia sank, NATO's 10-day "Baltic Sea naval exercises" began with the militaries of 10 NATO allies and 10 Partnership for Peace nations, including Sweden, Finland, and the Baltic states. 14 of the 20 nations involved provided ships and aircraft for the "Cooperative Venture" exercise, which was a "peacekeeping, humanitarian and search and rescue operation" exercise. There has been, however, no discussion of NATO's role in or lack of response to the sinking of Estonia.

search and rescue...

And what about the two unidentified ships which were seen on radar near Estonia at the time of the "accident"?

M-V Estonia - the last voyage


Both JAIC and GGE found two unidentified ships on the scene of the accident. It is likely to believe that they are the same ships that follow close to the M/V Estonia route, and slow down at the time of the disaster.

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