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Originally posted by LunaKat
Colbe, The first Christians are DEAD. All of the players in the Bible are DEAD. While they were alive they were no better than the rest of us. The Bible did not fall down from the sky completely written. The Bible is myth told by people no better (and in many ways a lot worse) than people today.
You put all your faith in a bunch of words that were received by what your church would call imperfect human beings. Words Colbe... just words. That thing that causes wars. And they are words that make hearts cold because they come not from love, not from a loving God, but from a very divisive one.
Faith is of the heart. It needs no words. It only listens for and responds to love.
edit on 27-12-2011 by LunaKat because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by gabby2011
Thank you for a great link colbe.. That forum had some very prophetic messages about the times we are in and what to expect..
The call for pray and to open out hearts to the Holy Trinity is very important..
The following is taken from this link
www.thewarningsecondcoming.com...
God the Father: The Anti-Christ and a new world currency Friday, September 23rd, 2011 @ 09:30 pm
My daughter while the world may fear The Warning they must accept that the prophecies contained in the Book of Revelation are upon us.
The Holy state of the Church is now at risk as is the state of Israel.
Prophecies will unfold as the world will be controlled by the Anti-Christ who will attempt to control you through a new world currency. When and if you are controlled in this way you will be controlled in every other way.
The Warning will put a halt to this and other evil atrocities being planned by global forces which are beyond the understanding of My children the world over. Innocent pawns in a game, not of your making, you will be protected by My hand of justice.
Rise, My children and fight this sequence of evil through prayer. The global control and persecution being plotted right at this moment can be averted through prayer. Not all of you can or will be saved such is the grip the Anti-Christ will hold over you.
My children Satan will never win. He has not been accorded the power and as his grip begins to loosen now he will drag as many souls as he can into the pits of hell with him.
I weep with deep sorrow for My beautiful creation and those precious souls of Mine. Oh if they would only listen to the truth.
Scientific evaluation is a nonsense for no science will substitute the reality of My Divine Kingdom. No one person on earth can ever fathom the beauty and the miracle that awaits you all for it is indescribable in human terms.
Soon you will understand the plans I have to salvage the world from the hands of the Deceiver.
I love all of you and will protect My followers at every stage during any planned persecution. Look towards Me. Open your arms and allow Me to hold and protect all of you. My children who believe in Me have nothing to fear.
Your beloved Creator
God the Most High
God the Father
edit: oops..pressed wrong member for reply..was supposed to be colbe..my apologies.
edit on 2-1-2012 by gabby2011 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by LightSpeedDriver
Not true. Bible does not say he was born on Decmber 25th, nor does it say that there were 3 wise men, only that three gifts were brought...
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by LightSpeedDriver
Not true. Bible does not say he was born on Decmber 25th, nor does it say that there were 3 wise men, only that three gifts were brought...
Yahshua was concieved around the 25th of Kislev (roughly december) which Chanakuh just happened to fall in that year around December 20-28 just like it did in 2011. Count 9 months forward for normal human gestation period and he ends up being born after the hebrew new year which falls around Yom Kippur (the Day of Atonement) and Rosh Hoshana (feast of trumpets). He was born around Sukkot (feast of boothes or tabernacles) which is during Tishrei (september/octoberish).
The 3 magi came from Babylon in the east and because they wanted to worship the new King of Israel (he was 1.5-2 years old and toddling by the time they found him) that means they knew he was the Messiah and that they were Jews. There were still jews in Babylon during this time period because the Prophet Daniel never returned to Israel after the exile, he and some of his people stayed with him.
The "star of Bethlehem" was not a star at all. It was the planet Jupiter in retrograde making a loop (a crown) around the star Rigel (the King Star) during the constellation of Leo (Lion of Yahuda/Judah) which told the sacred astronomer magi that the King had been born. This, is part of what is called the "star gospel". in the bible whenever you read "signs in th heavens" it is referring to cosmological events going on in space, using our solar system like a clock against the backdrop of the universe. So the signs the 3 magi saw were the King of Israel being crowned the lion of Judah.
The signs in the heavens have begun again...and the signs in the earth...Adonai said he would return after these began.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by colbe
Yeah i've seen it. The program he was using is called starry night and you can get a cheap copy for like 30 bucks. That video series was what actually got me researching the star gospel. You'd be amazed out how many prophets prophecies went hand in hand with the stars. It dwarfs my mind to think how Yahuwah set all our solar system and galaxy and universe up to time these events...even if i wasn't already a believer watching that star of bethlehem video would set me on the path to looking for answers because i love astronomy and i got a nice telescope fo christmas.
True enough, the signs in the heavens are whats going on out in space that is relative to earth.
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by colbe
Yeah i've seen it. The program he was using is called starry night and you can get a cheap copy for like 30 bucks. That video series was what actually got me researching the star gospel. You'd be amazed out how many prophets prophecies went hand in hand with the stars. It dwarfs my mind to think how Yahuwah set all our solar system and galaxy and universe up to time these events...even if i wasn't already a believer watching that star of bethlehem video would set me on the path to looking for answers because i love astronomy and i got a nice telescope fo christmas.
True enough, the signs in the heavens are whats going on out in space that is relative to earth.
lonewolf,
My brother has a telescope, a devotion to Astronomy and even an interest in clouds. He's fallen away form the faith though. I keep praying.
When we talk, he acknowledges God via Astronomy, I have hope.
colbe
Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by LeoVirgo
Thank goodness HEAVEN IS A REAL PLACE AND I REMEMBER IT WELL. And this aint it. And no matter what you do to raise your frequency this place of torment is gladly left behind. Love & Light is in misery in hell.
AND if you could be happy, in your life, while even one soul is suffering, you're not LOVE.edit on 12-1-2012 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by GmoS719
reply to post by boymonkey74
2nd paragraph say's he was born from a rock. LOL
Mithra
Originally posted by arpgme
Mithra was NOT born of a virgin like Jesus, he was born from a ROCK!
It is true that December 25 is a Pagan thing for the solstice, BUT, Jesus could NOT be born in the winter if you read The Bible...
Krishna was NEVER pronounced "Chrishta" and was NOT resurrected! You can read the Hindu scriptures themselves for proof!
As for the story of Horus, he was NOT the only son of God... And his story does NOT mimic's Jesus...
As for the Greek God Attis, the stories about him being resurrected came AFTER Jesus.
Justin Martyr even admitted that the Pagans were COPYING stories of Christianity and they were NOT there before...
They created these stories to create and opposition against Christianity...
By the way, do you know what the word opposition means in Hebrew!? SATAN!
By the way, the lady that created Zeitgeist is a Satanist wanting to get rid of Christianity and create a Utopian world. Doesn't that story sound familiar like the book of revelations?
What do you think of this? Can anyone refute this refutation! You be the Judge!
I have talked crap about the Jesus story because I didn't actually do research and just believed Zeitgeist! Please if you can disprove what I said, otherwise the evidence stands that the Pagans ADDED Christian like storied AFTER Christianity was...
You know how they say that the bible says that the world is flat?
It does NOT! The world "Earth" also simply meant "Land", it was not a reference to the planet but the nations or the lands!
Also, JESUS CHRIST said that no one has went to heaven but him, so what about Elijah?
Elijah ascended up to the sky NOT heaven! The word for heaven was not used there.
Christian Apologetics are making me think that maybe Jesus is true... What do you think?
edit on 2-12-2011 by arpgme because: (no reason given)
Rome’s troops took to the ‘machismo’ faith, with its ceremonies of male-bonding and triumph over death, of self-control and resistance to sensuality. Acolytes were required to descend into a pit, which was then covered by boards filled with holes, and the blood of a sacrificial bull above would shower onto them. Thus sanctified they could re-emerge from the pit ‘reborn’ in Mithras.
This sacrament, the ‘taurobolia,’ was the Mithraic forerunner of the Christian baptism. Mithras’ rock tomb (and place of re-birth) – the ‘petra’ – was central to each Mithraeum. The rock connection was later re-worked into the legend of Saint Peter.
Legionaries took the cult with them into Palestine and back to Rome itself. Several hundred Mithraic monuments have been found in Rome (Coarelli, 1979). Adapted for Roman taste, the most popular Romanised form of Mithraism was Sol Invictus, the Unconquerable Sun, whose re-birth was celebrated as the climax of the mid-winter Saturnalia, on 25th December (Celsus tells us that in the Mithraic mysteries the soul moved through seven heavenly spheres, beginning with the leaden Saturn and ending with the golden Sun).
There were seven degrees of initiation into the Mithraic mysteries. The consecrated one (mystes) became in succession crow (corax), occult (cryphius), soldier (miles), lion (leo), Persian (Perses), solar messenger (heliodromos), and father (pater). On solemn occasions they wore a garb appropriate to their name, and uttered sounds or performed gestures in keeping with what they personified. "Some flap their wings as birds imitating the sound of a crow, others roar as lions", says Pseudo-Augustine (Quaest. Vet. N. Test. In P.L., XXXIV, 2214). Crows, occults and soldiers formed the lower orders, a sort of catechumens; lions and those admitted to the other degrees were participants of the mysteries.
*The fathers conducted the worship. The chief of the fathers, a sort of pope, who always lived at Rome, was called "Pater Patrum" or Pater Patratus.*"
Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by michaelsherlock
michael,
I disagree. Cline doesn't look at the testimony of Christians and the miraculous studied by Science but can't figure out...all of it points to
Christ. Testimony of the "miraculous" today and throughout history. Are all those accounts and modern Scientific study of "miracles" a lie? No.
There's the new study that just came out about the Shroud. Science can
only duplicate today a tiny bit of the "light" that had to be emitted to make
the marks on the Shroud. There's your archaeological evidence. And...
Science can't explain multiple miracles found in the Tilma of Guadalupe.
The image, it's not "paint" (for a better word) of this world.
God bless you,
colbe
Originally posted by michaelsherlock
Do not be too quick to believe! Ask yourself, would you be as quick to accept evidence that contradicted your belief and if not, why? The mind is a mysterious thing, it can work both for and against us.
In the words of the social psychologist, Leon Festinger:
"A man with a conviction is a hard man to change. Tell him you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts or figures and he questions your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point.
We have all experienced the futility of trying to change a strong conviction, especially if the convinced person has some investment in his belief. We are familiar with the variety of ingenious defenses with which people protect their convictions, managing to keep them unscathed through the most devastating attacks. But man’s resourcefulness goes beyond simply protecting a belief. Suppose an individual believes something with his whole heart; suppose further that he has a commitment to this belief, that he has taken irrevocable actions because of it; finally, suppose that he is presented with evidence, unequivocal and undeniable evidence, that his belief is wrong: what will happen? The individual will frequently emerge, not only unshaken, but even more convinced of the truth of his beliefs than ever before. Indeed, he may even show a new fervor about convincing and converting other people to his view."
I would be interested to find out more about these scientific tests on the shroud, sounds interesting.