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Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by stevcolx
Originally posted by colbe
This is a good thread for this message. If you doubt now, just remember
what is written and do as Our Lord directs, okay?
Religion is and always has been a method of controlling the human psyche. It was made up a few thousand years ago based on Sun Worship.
What is written as Colbe states was written by man, in fact many men and women wrote the bible and all the other copies such as the qur'an later on.
So as u say 'What is written and do as our lord directs' is basically a command. You do as you are told or you will go to the non existent hell!!
It's all symbolic crap. Unfortunately alot of people still believe all that rubbish. Old Testament Crap!! Written by people that wanted to control people and still control people!!
Hi steve, I have a brother named steve,
Religion is not controlling, example, you don't believe. God has given
you free will.
love,
colbe
TextYou said that God gives us "free will" . However, most people will also say "it's all part of God's plan". Well, which is it? They can't have it both ways. I personally believe that "God's plan" already includes your "free will". Therefore the idea of free will is an illusion. If it is all God's plan, God already knows what you will choose and has planned for it. This is my problem with the church. They want it both ways and cant have it both ways.
Originally posted by Azadok
reply to post by PurpleSun
TextYou said that God gives us "free will" . However, most people will also say "it's all part of God's plan". Well, which is it? They can't have it both ways. I personally believe that "God's plan" already includes your "free will". Therefore the idea of free will is an illusion. If it is all God's plan, God already knows what you will choose and has planned for it. This is my problem with the church. They want it both ways and cant have it both ways.
God does know the end from the beginning and yes we do have free will as part of His plan just not all of us . Let me explain because it is a tad complicated . This earth age we are living in is a stage were God is giving some of us a chance of redemption for their sin of following Satan in his uprising in the first earth age , 1/3 of us did this.
Many of us in the first earth age fought against Satan and his rebellion and these are Gods elect in this earth age . The elect for the most part have free will but God guides them and places them were he needs them to accomplish his will. So to answer your question.......Yes , God has a plan and we have free will except for occasional intervention of the elect to do the will Of God . E elect are few in number in regards to the population.
This is we're we get the term in the bible the first (elect ) will be last (born on the last days) and the last will be first , the first to serve Gd in the next earth age .
Originally posted by dawnprince
Religion is a crutch for the weak . Religion is a gun for the fanatics . Religion is forced and indoctrinated in order to survive.
How many of you Christians have done what Jesus said you must do to follow him , ie , given away every single asset , quit your job and wander around the worlderness attesting his name ? Absolutely none of you !!
You all like to be seen to be a believer , but not one of you can take that final step
EDIT oh and for the record , Paganism is far older than christianity !edit on 16-3-2012 by dawnprince because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by arpgme
Funny, I thought Jesus was (according to the bible) born on the 25th of December, in a barn, while 3 wise man traveled to his location following a star? This is purely from memory. Its a book I do not read but was unfortunately forced to attend catholic schools
Originally posted by Mykahel
reply to post by dawnprince
Christ demanded of a a few, specific people to sell all the had and literally follow in his footsteps, ie. travel with him. The early Christians recorded in the Bible still had property and even sold some of it to help each other out when the need arose. Jesus did not demand that every one of his disciples (Christians) sell all they have and give it to the poor. in fact, Jesus had people following him that were providing for his needs and the needs of his disciples out of their own wealth.
Originally posted by Azadok
Originally posted by dawnprince
Religion is a crutch for the weak . Religion is a gun for the fanatics . Religion is forced and indoctrinated in order to survive.
How many of you Christians have done what Jesus said you must do to follow him , ie , given away every single asset , quit your job and wander around the worlderness attesting his name ? Absolutely none of you !!
You all like to be seen to be a believer , but not one of you can take that final step
EDIT oh and for the record , Paganism is far older than christianity !edit on 16-3-2012 by dawnprince because: (no reason given)
The weak really , I could snap your neck like a twig but because I am strong in my faith I don't commit acts of violence , that does not exclude me from protecting myself and my interests if need be .
And there is no need to wander the world to do the work of Christ when a couple taps of the keyboard reaches more than any other way of spreading the gospel . This being said there are thousands of Christians right now all over the world helping the poor and needy while spreading the word . You are simply a hypocrite that hates the idea of God so you spew the filth out of your mouth like you have wisdom to change the faith of a believer . I pity people like yourself so full of hate that you can't contain it within so you must attack others for no reason but to release your misery.edit on 16-3-2012 by Azadok because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by dawnprince
Jesus is a myth perpetuated by the catholic church .
I don't need an imaginary friend to help me through the bad times in my life . I just get on with it .
Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by gate13
Wrong there is no good evidence (that I have seen) showing me that the creationist are right but plenty that show me that evolution is correct.
The difference is scientific study and how scientists try to prove their findings. Creationist's try to prove everything by quoting the bible.
Unless you want to show me otherwise.
Unlike yourself I don't have faith in Jesus because even if he existed the only "proof" he is the son of god is from a book written by man.
Also If Jesus came back and stood in front of me the last thing he would do is kick me in the balls.
edit on 16-3-2012 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)