Can we stop taking delight in the suffering of others please?

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by ZIPMATT
The servers might be in az but there are way too many american youth on this site .

i hate to think what saluting that flag and making that pledge every god damn day really does to them .

when you define the word 'fascist' it is someone who makes a pledge > its a pretty simple dictionary definition

no wonder then what mixed up views they can pick up . americans .

At the end of the day we are global citizenry, not any denomination , class or nation, bar the human race .

What is the definition of human ? ?> you will find it is one who posesses humanity , the humane

I am not a "global citizen."

I renounce that "citizenship", categorically and without reservation.

What kind of dictionary are you reading that defines "fascist" like that?

What good is a man who will pledge to nothing?

A man with NO loyalties or honor at all.

Less than human.

Many bankers are like that, but even THEY have loyalty to something.

True Colours
yOU sound like a pretty dangerous person who is heading for a fall . I will let you off because mentally, you are at baby stages still . You were someone's cute little angel , dressed in booties , a jump suit , and a little woolley hat . Not so very long ago . Now youre a raging teenage idiot . Bulllies like you normally end up crying home to mummy . I know what s right and wrong but I seriously dont care if someone like you shrivels up and disappears . Its neither right or wrong to me , just your own stupidity .

Originally posted by nenothtu
I am not a "global citizen."

I renounce that "citizenship", categorically and without reservation.

What kind of dictionary are you reading that defines "fascist" like that?

What good is a man who will pledge to nothing?

A man with NO loyalties or honor at all.

Less than human.

Many bankers are like that, but even THEY have loyalty to something.

Truly a disgusting post.... the post of a psychopath....

Originally posted by blupblup

Originally posted by nenothtu
I am not a "global citizen."

I renounce that "citizenship", categorically and without reservation.

What kind of dictionary are you reading that defines "fascist" like that?

What good is a man who will pledge to nothing?

A man with NO loyalties or honor at all.

Less than human.

Many bankers are like that, but even THEY have loyalty to something.

Truly a disgusting post.... the post of a psychopath....

I follow the same path as Nenothtu.

And coming from a Socialist, I will wear your statement as a badge of honor.

No, I to am not a Global Citizen.

I am not a "global citizen."

I renounce that "citizenship", categorically and without reservation.

What kind of dictionary are you reading that defines "fascist" like that?

What good is a man who will pledge to nothing?

A man with NO loyalties or honor at all.

Less than human.

Many bankers are like that, but even THEY have loyalty to something.

For the strange #s who starred your post , what your american pledge is , is an abomination . Get on with your loyalty and honour to the abomination . You utter fools . Go and die for evil men , see where it gets you .

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Awesome, that was worthwhile telling me that

Originally posted by NadaCambia
I don't think many Americans realise just how foul some of their views are to people in 2011. It's surprising for both groups - the non-Americans who are shocked by the warmongery and blood lust, and the American neocons who are shocked by fundamental morality and human decency in non-Americans.

I think that sums it up better than anything else in this thread.

Originally posted by blupblup
reply to post by macman

 

Awesome, that was worthwhile telling me that

LOL We will welcome him paying his wages to us , "Time for your full frontal sir..."

i am new here but already i see the same type of sick commentarys and hateful, rude .

immature posting



it seems to be widespread on other groups, forums and society in general. soething is terribly wrong with people. they are unraveling. its very disturbing.



i may not remain here as im tired of this every forum i go . i seek mature intelligent exchange of ideas not trashing others and hateful speech. invisiblegirl.

As a Christian I tend to get my views from the scriptures.

"The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth."-Psalms 11:5

Seems pretty clear to me, I think it's wrong for anybody to take delight in violence, the OP has a valid point IMO.

Originally posted by ZIPMATT

True Colours
yOU sound like a pretty dangerous person who is heading for a fall . I will let you off because mentally, you are at baby stages still . You were someone's cute little angel , dressed in booties , a jump suit , and a little woolley hat . Not so very long ago . Now youre a raging teenage idiot . Bulllies like you normally end up crying home to mummy . I know what s right and wrong but I seriously dont care if someone like you shrivels up and disappears . Its neither right or wrong to me , just your own stupidity .

True colors indeed!

1) You should probably do just a wee bit more research before jumping to erroneous conclusions.

2) I won't comment at this point relative to my "dangerousness", but I AM heading towards a fall - as are we all. NO ONE gets out of this life alive.

3) No need to "let me off". Hit me with your best shot - and I sincerely hope THAT wasn't it.

4) I was never a "cute little angel". I've been a hellion all my life, as my family can confirm.

5) I have not been a "raging teenage idiot" in many, many decades.

6) I have NEVER gone "crying to momma", even when I was a "cute little angel in booties". Momma would have beat my ass for such weakness.

7) Regarding "I know what s right and wrong but I seriously dont care if someone like you shrivels up and disappears . Its neither right or wrong to me , just your own stupidity", your compassionate nature and love for "humanity" leaves me distinctly underwhelmed. Welcome to MY world.

Re-reading my post, and your response to it, one must ask - what is your beef with people who have a sense of honor? Is it a jealousy thing?

Originally posted by blupblup

Originally posted by nenothtu
I am not a "global citizen."

I renounce that "citizenship", categorically and without reservation.

What kind of dictionary are you reading that defines "fascist" like that?

What good is a man who will pledge to nothing?

A man with NO loyalties or honor at all.

Less than human.

Many bankers are like that, but even THEY have loyalty to something.

Truly a disgusting post.... the post of a psychopath....

I've been called worse things by better people.

Rather than just attempting to throw insults, how about specifying WHY you think it was "truly a disgusting post"?

Do you find a lack of loyalty to be a virtue, then, and so you think the idea of being loyal to something "disgusting"?

I've had the misfortune to have known some disloyal folks over time, and truly, I think you would fit right in with their crowd. perhaps I can arrange an introduction for you.

Originally posted by ZIPMATT

I am not a "global citizen."

I renounce that "citizenship", categorically and without reservation.

What kind of dictionary are you reading that defines "fascist" like that?

What good is a man who will pledge to nothing?

A man with NO loyalties or honor at all.

Less than human.

Many bankers are like that, but even THEY have loyalty to something.

For the strange #s who starred your post , what your american pledge is , is an abomination . Get on with your loyalty and honour to the abomination . You utter fools . Go and die for evil men , see where it gets you .

How about answering the questions, young Jedi?

YOU defined "fascism" as "someone who makes a pledge". That's pretty vague and wide open. WHAT DICTIONARY DID YOU GET THAT DEFINITION FROM AS YOU CLAIMED?

I did not specify what or whom my pledges or loyalty are to... yet you make assumptions, and denigrate me? That tells me you are utterly devoid of any loyalty at all. It's an alien concept to you.

At least I will die for SOMETHING. You will die for NOTHING, yet we will ALL die in the end. No one gets out of this life alive, and I'm willing to make mine count for something.

It's a sad husk of a former human who won't.

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Do you find a lack of loyalty to be a virtue, then, and so you think the idea of being loyal to something "disgusting"?

if you wouldn't mind, define loyalty - please

and then, since you're positively bursting at the seams to tell us anyway - to who or what are you loyal?

and then - what on earth does any of this have to do with the OP?

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Do you find a lack of loyalty to be a virtue, then, and so you think the idea of being loyal to something "disgusting"?

if you wouldn't mind, define loyalty - please

loy·al·ty

  loyalty pronunciation [loi-uhl-tee]
noun, plural -ties.

1. the state or quality of being loyal; faithfulness to commitments or obligations.

2. faithful adherence to a sovereign, government, leader, cause, etc.

3. an example or instance of faithfulness, adherence, or the like: a man with fierce loyalties.

Origin:
1350–1400; Middle English loialte < Middle French. See loyal, -ty

Source

and then, since you're positively bursting at the seams to tell us anyway - to who or what are you loyal?

"Busting at the seams"? No, I'm really not. I'm more curious as to why there are those who feel no loyalty to anything at all.

and then - what on earth does any of this have to do with the OP?

Because the assertion has been made that "fascism" is defined as "the taking of oaths". I've yet to find that definition for fascism any where. Taking an oath - to anything - results in a "loyalty", a devotion to a commitment, if one has enough honor to live by that oath. Therefore, if that definition of fascism can be proven, then fascists, and only fascists, have any loyalty or honor among men.

I don't believe that to be the case.

I do take umbrage at being labeled a "fascist" because I believe in something larger than my self, and believe it so much as to bear loyalties. However, IF that definition can be proven, then I will stand corrected, and wear the label proudly.

I'm still waiting.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Rather than just attempting to throw insults, how about specifying WHY you think it was "truly a disgusting post"?

Do you find a lack of loyalty to be a virtue, then, and so you think the idea of being loyal to something "disgusting"?

Your whole post came across as nationalistic drivel...

You say that a man is no good if he pledges to nothing?

That you renounce citizenship of the world?

Less than human.... someone with no loyalties or honour...?

See you're talking about from a patriotic/nationalistic point of view..... not to one's family or humanity in general.

That's why your post is alarming, disgusting and mental.

It was everything that is wrong with ignorant, isolated,nationalistic people.

reply to post by nenothtu

"Busting at the seams"? No, I'm really not. I'm more curious as to why there are those who feel no loyalty to anything at all.

fair enough - just as I am very curious about what you're so loyal to - that you feel people are less than human for having no sense of loyalty...what's your scale - of human worth?

let's cut to the chase here - who or what are you so loyal to - and how does it have anything to do with what the OP is saying?

I do take umbrage at being labeled a "fascist" because I believe in something larger than my self, and believe it so much as to bear loyalties. However, IF that definition can be proven, then I will stand corrected, and wear the label proudly.

I'm still waiting.

not really my problem - wasn't my accusation - wasn't my question

wondering now if you'll answer mine...

pretty please - and thank you

:-)

Originally posted by blupblup

Your whole post came across as nationalistic drivel...

You say that a man is no good if he pledges to nothing?

That you renounce citizenship of the world?

Less than human.... someone with no loyalties or honour...?

See you're talking about from a patriotic/nationalistic point of view..... not to one's family or humanity in general.

That's why your post is alarming, disgusting and mental.

It was everything that is wrong with ignorant, isolated,nationalistic people.

Negative, young sir.

Renouncing a mythical "world citizenship" is a far cry from having no loyalties at all. You have made a leap of illogic there, assuming that one is equivalent to the other.

Here's an exercise for you: WHICH nation have I claimed loyalty to? A direct quote of me doing so would go a LONG way in supporting your argument here. Hint: It's NOT the USA.

Until you can provide a direct quote of which nation I am loyal to, your argument that I am "spouting nationalistic drivel" is itself drivel. Meaningless. Unsupported. Prevarication.

You're right, I have NO loyalty to "humanity in general". What a frivolous concept! Family is another matter entirely, but "humanity in general" is the most inhumane construct I have ever encountered in several decades of existence.

If you think my post is "mental" because of what YOU HAVE READ INTO IT, rather than what was actually said, i submit that it may be YOU who ought to consult with a professional.

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis

fair enough - just as I am very curious about what you're so loyal to - that you feel people are less than human for having no sense of loyalty...what's your scale - of human worth?

I suppose that is inextricable linked with what one thinks it is to be human. I happen to believe that merely being an upright bipedal hominid with loyalty to nothing other than self is insufficient. Humans tend towards formation of groups, going all the way back to tribal cave-dwellers. Having no loyalties would place one outside all groups, would it not? That would be less than human, to be excluded - by your own proclivities! - from all human groups.

let's cut to the chase here - who or what are you so loyal to - and how does it have anything to do with what the OP is saying?

I'll wait and see if BlupBlup can define my loyalties, since he thinks he's got a handle on them. Wouldn't want to influence his thoughts in the matter - I'd like to see his logic there.

I will eventually answer the question - after BlupBlup sets me straight in the matter.

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first of all, nenothtu - of all the posters on this board that I have (admittedly) generalized and corralled into an easily recognizable category - you are only the 2nd to surprise me - and change my thinking

not that you care :-) I also get your schtick, so - not pinning my hopes on a group hug here or anything

you at least won't run - and not so much with the deflection either. Thank you

but as for generalizations and categories - and getting what we pretty much expected:

I suppose that is inextricable linked with what one thinks it is to be human. I happen to believe that merely being an upright bipedal hominid with loyalty to nothing other than self is insufficient. Humans tend towards formation of groups, going all the way back to tribal cave-dwellers. Having no loyalties would place one outside all groups, would it not? That would be less than human, to be excluded - by your own proclivities! - from all human groups.

see - you have a thing about weakness - and I sense you are very strict in your definitions and rules - fair enough

but some of us extend our loyalty to the entire group - a group without boundaries

not much different than you - just not adversarial and narrowly focused

now - I realize I'm not talking to a child - just felt the need to state the obvious before I asked - what the hell is your beef anyway? :-)

it's like you were just recently sprung from one of Zeus' body parts - born to war, ready for war - looking for war, you came in this thread scimitar swinging - a thread where the OP is just asking for less nastiness in a place that is supposedly concerned about having civilized discussions

and you go off on everyone within swinging distance - too weak, disloyal - not human...

I'd ask you to dial it down a notch - but I'm thinking you don't have any other notches

so, I asked - to who or what are you loyal? Loyalty is a subject worth discussing I think - not sure what it has to do with this thread - but still - interesting

now, I know you're waiting to have a big smarty pants moment - and all that - and that your answer is completely wasted on me - Princess Peacecamp

but - I am the one that asked

just sayin'

:-)

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis

not that you care :-) I also get your schtick, so - not pinning my hopes on a group hug here or anything

you at least won't run - and not so much with the deflection either. Thank you

Yeah, I'm not big on group hugs and such - I tend to get sort of rigid and unyielding at any such attempts - but I'd buy you a beer or 12 and yak for hours with you over them. You seem to be one who can hold reasonable conversation once past my initial gruffness. That serves to sort out the wheat from the chaff.

see - you have a thing about weakness - and I sense you are very strict in your definitions and rules - fair enough

Yes, I DO have a thing for weakness, but it may not be the same "thing" as one would think at first blush. Everyone has them, somewhere, in some area, and by the same token everyone has strengths of their own. "Weak" people need to be protected, so that their strengths may flourish.

One day their strengths may be what protect the former protector in HIS hour of weakness.

but some of us extend our loyalty to the entire group - a group without boundaries

not much different than you - just not adversarial and narrowly focused

Loyalty extended to the entire group is STILL loyalty, and I wouldn't see that as "fascist" either. I would wonder what the loyalty is to guard against, however, if it is extended to the entire group. Where is the perceived "threat" that would be the counterpoint to a loyalty if the entire group is covered by the loyalty? Who is left to threaten, and thus require a loyalty?

now - I realize I'm not talking to a child - just felt the need to state the obvious before I asked - what the hell is your beef anyway? :-)

Language has a meaning, words have definitions. I take umbrage at myself - or anyone else for that matter, even an "enemy" - being labelled with the incorrect terminology of "fascist" for making a pledge. "Fascist" actually means something else altogether. When words begin to be misapplied, eventually their meanings change as the misapplication gains acceptance. It is a disservice to REAL fascists, as well as the rest of us.

It minimizes fascism, make of it a thing that "ain't so bad - it's just taking a pledge!". It denies the essential danger posed by fascism in favor of applying the term to just anyone who doesn't think the same.

it's like you were just recently sprung from one of Zeus' body parts - born to war, ready for war - looking for war, you came in this thread scimitar swinging - a thread where the OP is just asking for less nastiness in a place that is supposedly concerned about having civilized discussions

Born to war, perhaps. We do what we are best at, I suppose. War is bad. People get killed, things get torn up. I'd really rather be farming. The rewards are better - especially at supper time - but I don't have the same aptitude for it. I don't live for war, I live instead for the day when it will be unnecessary, and we can all get along in peace. I don't think that day will happen any time soon.

I live for the day when I have actually outlived my usefulness, and can be put to pasture and rest rather than someone trying to gain advantage by merely declaring I've outlived it, hoping to put me to sleep and out to pasture so they can take advantage of those I've charged myself to look after.

and you go off on everyone within swinging distance - too weak, disloyal - not human...

I apologize if that's the way it came across. Sometimes I don't express myself well. A lack of loyalty IS subhuman. Even dogs have loyalty. How much more so should a man? I've already expressed my views on "weakness", adequately I hope.

I DO tend to wade into crowds swinging - especially crowds willing to impose themselves on me or mine.

I'd ask you to dial it down a notch - but I'm thinking you don't have any other notches

Probably not. Full steam ahead or full stop.

so, I asked - to who or what are you loyal? Loyalty is a subject worth discussing I think - not sure what it has to do with this thread - but still - interesting

now, I know you're waiting to have a big smarty pants moment - and all that - and that your answer is completely wasted on me - Princess Peacecamp

but - I am the one that asked

just sayin'

:-)

Primarily my friends and my family. Politicians of just about all stripes just leave me growling, and governments can just flat out bite me. All of them. They are some of the very ones who seek unfair advantage by either co-opting or otherwise neutralizing the guard dogs.

Complete strangers. I've been known to stand up for - and knock down on behalf of - complete strangers. Anyone who doesn't present a threat to me or mine is a potential friend.

My own sense of right and wrong. It may not - probably doesn't - fall into complete accord with yours or anyone else's, but I adhere to it like life depended upon it, because I've seen times when it was ALL I had.

Those are the basics, but most spur of the moment decisions on loyalty are guided by the last in line. It's not a "national" thing, since my nation has let me down one time too many.