Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
not that you care :-) I also get your schtick, so - not pinning my hopes on a group hug here or anything
you at least won't run - and not so much with the deflection either. Thank you
Yeah, I'm not big on group hugs and such - I tend to get sort of rigid and unyielding at any such attempts - but I'd buy you a beer or 12 and yak for
hours with you over them. You seem to be one who can hold reasonable conversation once past my initial gruffness. That serves to sort out the wheat
from the chaff.
see - you have a thing about weakness - and I sense you are very strict in your definitions and rules - fair enough
Yes, I DO have a thing for weakness, but it may not be the same "thing" as one would think at first blush. Everyone has them, somewhere, in some area,
and by the same token everyone has strengths of their own. "Weak" people need to be protected, so that their strengths may flourish.
One day their strengths may be what protect the former protector in HIS hour of weakness.
but some of us extend our loyalty to the entire group - a group without boundaries
not much different than you - just not adversarial and narrowly focused
Loyalty extended to the entire group is STILL loyalty, and I wouldn't see that as "fascist" either. I would wonder what the loyalty is to guard
, however, if it is extended to the entire group. Where is the perceived "threat" that would be the counterpoint to a loyalty if the
entire group is covered by the loyalty? Who is left to threaten, and thus require a loyalty?
now - I realize I'm not talking to a child - just felt the need to state the obvious before I asked - what the hell is your beef anyway? :-)
Language has a meaning, words have definitions. I take umbrage at myself - or anyone else for that matter, even an "enemy" - being labelled with the
incorrect terminology of "fascist" for making a pledge. "Fascist" actually means something else altogether. When words begin to be misapplied,
eventually their meanings change as the misapplication gains acceptance. It is a disservice to REAL fascists, as well as the rest of us.
It minimizes fascism, make of it a thing that "ain't so bad - it's just taking a pledge!". It denies the essential danger posed by fascism in favor of
applying the term to just anyone who doesn't think the same.
it's like you were just recently sprung from one of Zeus' body parts - born to war, ready for war - looking for war, you came in this thread scimitar
swinging - a thread where the OP is just asking for less nastiness in a place that is supposedly concerned about having civilized discussions
Born to war, perhaps. We do what we are best at, I suppose. War is bad. People get killed, things get torn up. I'd really rather be farming. The
rewards are better - especially at supper time - but I don't have the same aptitude for it. I don't live for war, I live instead for the day when it
will be unnecessary, and we can all get along in peace. I don't think that day will happen any time soon.
I live for the day when I have actually outlived my usefulness, and can be put to pasture and rest rather than someone trying to gain advantage by
merely declaring I've outlived it, hoping to put me to sleep and out to pasture so they can take advantage of those I've charged myself to look
and you go off on everyone within swinging distance - too weak, disloyal - not human...
I apologize if that's the way it came across. Sometimes I don't express myself well. A lack of loyalty IS subhuman. Even dogs have loyalty. How much
more so should a man? I've already expressed my views on "weakness", adequately I hope.
I DO tend to wade into crowds swinging - especially crowds willing to impose themselves on me or mine.
I'd ask you to dial it down a notch - but I'm thinking you don't have any other notches
Probably not. Full steam ahead or full stop.
so, I asked - to who or what are you loyal? Loyalty is a subject worth discussing I think - not sure what it has to do with this thread - but still -
now, I know you're waiting to have a big smarty pants moment - and all that - and that your answer is completely wasted on me - Princess Peacecamp
but - I am the one that asked
Primarily my friends and my family. Politicians of just about all stripes just leave me growling, and governments can just flat out bite me. All of
them. They are some of the very ones who seek unfair advantage by either co-opting or otherwise neutralizing the guard dogs.
Complete strangers. I've been known to stand up for - and knock down on behalf of - complete strangers. Anyone who doesn't present a threat to me or
mine is a potential friend.
My own sense of right and wrong. It may not - probably doesn't - fall into complete accord with yours or anyone else's, but I adhere to it like life
depended upon it, because I've seen times when it was ALL I had.
Those are the basics, but most spur of the moment decisions on loyalty are guided by the last in line. It's not a "national" thing, since my nation
has let me down one time too many.
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