Originally posted by ZIPMATT
The servers might be in az but there are way too many american youth on this site .

i hate to think what saluting that flag and making that pledge every god damn day really does to them .

when you define the word 'fascist' it is someone who makes a pledge > its a pretty simple dictionary definition

no wonder then what mixed up views they can pick up . americans .

At the end of the day we are global citizenry, not any denomination , class or nation, bar the human race .

What is the definition of human ? ?> you will find it is one who posesses humanity , the humane

This has a lot to do with it. I would bet money on the fact the OP isn't American.

For most people outside of America the sort of violent and revolting rhetoric and neanderthal-ism that is so popular in America, is just foreign to them - pun intended.

I don't think many Americans realise just how foul some of their views are to people in 2011. It's surprising for both groups - the non-Americans who are shocked by the warmongery and blood lust, and the American neocons who are shocked by fundamental morality and human decency in non-Americans. It's hard for both sides to understood the others stark differences.

Even in a thread striving for peace and humanity, the Americans have come storming in generally being abusive and starting wars, as per usual.

They even lack the basic intelligence to comprehend the difference between wishing ill on innocent and decent people, and wishing ill on evil people who want to destroy the innocent and decent people. They cannot understand the difference!

Another thread ruined by violent and aggressive Americans. Lets just hope Ron Paul is elected so we no longer have to deal with these brutes.

a thread about feelings? How manly. Go watch a Clint Eastwood movie please.

Originally posted by Foxy1
a thread about feelings? How manly. Go watch a Clint Eastwood movie please.

I don't think it is about feelings...maybe about humanism and sociology...but feelings no!

As coined by Frued...we live and die...and the space in between is life!

Imagine that!

oh sorry I was under the assumption someone got their feelings hurt because people are mean to each other so he/she created a thread about it.

Originally posted by Foxy1
oh sorry I was under the assumption someone got their feelings hurt because people are mean to each other so he/she created a thread about it.

Well someone probably did get their feelings hurt...imagine a bomb dropping on your family...hurt feelings?

I think the OP was just looking for souls with a purpose...but I cant speak for that...as far as feelings getting hurt...well welcome to ATS!

Originally posted by ZIPMATT
The servers might be in az but there are way too many american youth on this site .

i hate to think what saluting that flag and making that pledge every god damn day really does to them .

when you define the word 'fascist' it is someone who makes a pledge > its a pretty simple dictionary definition

no wonder then what mixed up views they can pick up . americans .

At the end of the day we are global citizenry, not any denomination , class or nation, bar the human race .

What is the definition of human ? ?> you will find it is one who posesses humanity , the humane

I am not a "global citizen."

I renounce that "citizenship", categorically and without reservation.

What kind of dictionary are you reading that defines "fascist" like that?

What good is a man who will pledge to nothing?

A man with NO loyalties or honor at all.

Less than human.

Many bankers are like that, but even THEY have loyalty to something.

And we really dont even need to have bombs drop on us to understand what society is teaching us. profit has allways outweighed human life. Just look at all the crap on the market the fda allows in your stores that is bad for your health.

Originally posted by NadaCambia

I don't think many Americans realise just how foul some of their views are to people in 2011.

It's not that we don't realize it - it's that we don't care. If you can't handle opposing views and stand your ground defending you position, it may be time to find another position.

It's surprising for both groups - the non-Americans who are shocked by the warmongery and blood lust, and the American neocons who are shocked by fundamental morality and human decency in non-Americans. It's hard for both sides to understood the others stark differences.

"Fundamentalism", of any sort, is to be watched - closely. Also, consider that the imposition of YOUR "morality" on others is no less "brutish" than the imposition of theirs on YOU.

They even lack the basic intelligence to comprehend the difference between wishing ill on innocent and decent people, and wishing ill on evil people who want to destroy the innocent and decent people. They cannot understand the difference!

Au contraire - it may be that we are the only ones who CAN define the difference! Wishing ill on others is wishing ill on others. Bloodlust is bloodlust. Death and destruction are death and destruction. There are no "good wars" or "bad wars", there are only wars, the violent pursuit of an objective. People die, stuff gets blown up. If you would have an end to them, stop imposing on others to the point that they feel a need for defense or offense, as the case may be.

EVERY war is only "good" or "bad" depending on which side of the battlefield one stands. not according to any sort of objective criteria.

No sane person likes fighting - and taking his own chance on dying - on either side of a war, but he likes getting steamrolled a lot less, so he does what is needed.

If I run into a crowded theatre and yell fire... that's one thing.
If I run into a crowded ATS thread and yell nuke 'em... who cares?
People that say things like that are just trolling for your reaction.
They would be ringing your doorbell and running if they didn't have a keyboard.
The only thing to do is ignore them, continue on right thru them without a moments thought.
Then they are left sitting there waiting for the response that never comes.
If anything cooks their goose and makes then go play somewhere else, that'll be it.

Now, where were we?

I am so glad there is now a thread such as this. I have always tried to be an optimist... but seeing so much negativity generated in these threads, has caused me great sadness. It's time we realize that wars are waged by old-school thought, whether it's Americans or other leaders who cannot or will not take the time to actually talk long enough to come to a reasonable compromise.

My mother, with whom I rarely agreed, said two major things in her lifetime which impressed me. She said, "Wars are waged by old men engaged in a pissing contest. When they realize they can't piss as far or as strong as they used to, they send the young boys out to piss for them. There hasn't been a world leader is the past 150 years who was brave enough to lead his men into battle, so they sit behind their safe, pompous desks, and claim they're sad for the lives being lost." And her other truism was, "It makes no sense for any country to encourage its citizens to welcome too many immigrants, and encourage all of us to have more children than we can support - and then use a war to blow up the excess." My mother was not a great mother, but at least twice she made statements with which I can agree.

I am sad that all countries are flawed, in one way or another; some far more than the rest. I am sad that there is more failure to communicate, than there is time given to resolve our differences in a civilized manner. If the U.S. wants to be a good world leader, then we must set a good example by first, respecting each other - rebuilding our infrastructure, our schools; ensuring fairness in business practices, and extending equality to everyone, whether we are in agreement with their religion or their lifestyles, or not. We need to realize we cannot all be rich, and as the middle class falls away, philanthropy becomes less of an option to help the less fortunate. If the people of America don't stop hating and disrespecting each other over ridiculous differences, and change the failings of ours society and our leadership from negative to positive, our present path will lead to ruin, and we will all lose. Our ancestors, even with all their flaws, knew that in order to build and keep a great nation great, we had to work together and care for each other. Somewhere along the line of getting ahead, we seem to be saying, "Everyone for yourself," and that will not help us, or set a shining example of Democracy for others to follow. It will divide us, and we all can understand that a nation divided has no strength. Division is like a cancer that weakens and eventually destroys everything we hold dear, including our humanity.