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...but I'd buy you a beer or 12 and yak for hours with you over them. You seem to be one who can hold reasonable conversation once past my initial gruffness. That serves to sort out the wheat from the chaff.
Yes, I DO have a thing for weakness, but it may not be the same "thing" as one would think at first blush. Everyone has them, somewhere, in some area, and by the same token everyone has strengths of their own. "Weak" people need to be protected, so that their strengths may flourish. One day their strengths may be what protect the former protector in HIS hour of weakness.
Loyalty extended to the entire group is STILL loyalty, and I wouldn't see that as "fascist" either. I would wonder what the loyalty is to guard against, however, if it is extended to the entire group. Where is the perceived "threat" that would be the counterpoint to a loyalty if the entire group is covered by the loyalty? Who is left to threaten, and thus require a loyalty?
Language has a meaning, words have definitions. I take umbrage at myself - or anyone else for that matter, even an "enemy" - being labelled with the incorrect terminology of "fascist" for making a pledge. "Fascist" actually means something else altogether. When words begin to be misapplied, eventually their meanings change as the misapplication gains acceptance. It is a disservice to REAL fascists, as well as the rest of us.
It minimizes fascism, make of it a thing that "ain't so bad - it's just taking a pledge!". It denies the essential danger posed by fascism in favor of applying the term to just anyone who doesn't think the same.
Born to war, perhaps. We do what we are best at, I suppose. War is bad. People get killed, things get torn up. I'd really rather be farming. The rewards are better - especially at supper time - but I don't have the same aptitude for it. I don't live for war, I live instead for the day when it will be unnecessary, and we can all get along in peace. I don't think that day will happen any time soon.
I live for the day when I have actually outlived my usefulness, and can be put to pasture and rest rather than someone trying to gain advantage by merely declaring I've outlived it, hoping to put me to sleep and out to pasture so they can take advantage of those I've charged myself to look after.
My own sense of right and wrong. It may not - probably doesn't - fall into complete accord with yours or anyone else's, but I adhere to it like life depended upon it, because I've seen times when it was ALL I had.
how I see it - sometimes we are our own worst enemy. The group needs to look out for itself - and protect itself from it's own worst tendencies - not so different from what each of us does as individuals. The thing is - it doesn't really work that way in real life - or at least not all the time. We're talking about human nature - and we are competitive, and maybe to some extent we require a common enemy to keep us together. I just see us all as the common enemy.
seriously - it's a huge discussion, isn't it? Because - we'll create enemies where there are none. Fear and loathing create strange bedfellows - this subject loyalty - I meant it when I said it's worth discussing. It affects everything mankind does
I do know - in case you were wondering - that sometimes there are very real, easily identified enemies
Yes. Definitely. Language is like magic - you can make it do so many things. People are in so many ways controlled by their words - led this way and that. Unlike many people who think words are just tools - I think language is everything - it defines us. So - we should all be responsible for what we say and how we say it - in a very real way, words can kill
We'll never all of us see eye to eye - but I don't think it would workout well if we did. The differences are important to the group.
thank you nenothtu for the most meaningful exchange I've had here for quite some time
I didn't expect it - not in this thread. Life is funny :-)
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by NadaCambia
I don't think many Americans realise just how foul some of their views are to people in 2011.
It's not that we don't realize it - it's that we don't care. If you can't handle opposing views and stand your ground defending you position, it may be time to find another position.