Occupy Oakland Protester admits bottles were thrown at Police BEFORE police responded

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by SyphonX

 

The video was made by MSNBC not Fox News.

You are digging a hole.

What... are you talking about? I never mentioned Fox News, and I don't care if MSNBC reported on this or not.

Care to address any of the points I made, or did you respond to me by accident?

Originally posted by MysticPearl

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Of course you can see it in the video.
The protesters were escalating violence!
It is there fault the marine was injured.

Which lead to this thread.

If the VET MARINE dies BLOOD is on your hands OWS!!!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I've seen you bash OSW in numerous threads, calls them idiots, and basically say they get what they deserve.

Yet, when will you start understanding the difference between there, their and they're? You can bash them all you want, but why would anyone take your opinion seriously with such a limited knowledge of grammar/spelling?

You want to talk about grammar? These are pro-OWS posts! How lovely!

Nah they only attack women and small men

If you watch fox news, than you are the 1%.

I wish the entire crowd would have rushed that "police officer" and beaten the man to death.

They need to remember that they are humans that can bleed, and that they have family members.

violence is the answer!

Seriously?? I am all for this movement, but speaking about peoples kids??? Low and uncalled for, no matter what you stand for.

We are the 99%! You best make up your mind! You won’t be able to do so once you’re up against the wall!

You wouldn't do # but twiddle your thumbs or get your head stomped on until your consciousness is oozing over the paint.

The police will burn where they stand.

As far as the cops on horseback, fake rubber snakes, horse's really don't like snakes. And rubber snakes arent against the law. About the time you see one of those thugs on horseback take a nasty spill and the horse run wild thru crowd, you want see the horses's anymore. There's also certain smells horse's don't like. I believe this will turn violent if it continues.

The police will not be happy until they are fleeing at the sight of enraged Americans lobbing glass bottles filled with gasoline and a flaming handkerchief at their heads. We'll see how much their souls are worth then.

Screw the police and the traitorous pig civilians that support them

Sometimes you have to punch someone in the face to keep your life in tact.

Reference: “One Marine v 30 Police - Occupy Times Square - Cops lose”, ”OWS want’s their own constitution”, Occupy Wall Street has begun”,Occupy Wall Street Activist Slams Fox News Producer In Un-Aired Interview”

reply to post by loveguy


I know right? What if the protesters showed up in ninja uniforms with swords? would things go smooth? hahaha

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ah, saw my error, thank you for pointing that out. Yes, we agree.

So people are saying that because the police are wearing riot protective gear, it gives the protesters the right to throw bottles and rocks? That has to be the most childish excuse I’ve heard in a long time! Are there people out there who actually believe this?

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by loveguy
How threatened I would feel if I was among an assembly of peaceful protesters--->protesting peacefully one moment then the next I'm assaulted by the scene of riot police.

So you feel assaulted by looking at police in riot gear?

That is funny. Perhaps you need to 'man-up' a little and stop being so easily offended.

what are these police in riot gear anticipating if it's not a riot? Since when can we not peaceably assemble to protest?

They were peacefully assembled and protesting until one of these lovable tree-huggers threw a bottle at the police so your point is mute. The police were there to begin with in case a little scuffle turned into something more. You do realize that when people of different opinions get together and both are passionate about their stance that something negative could happen right?

Kinda like the example of your assault on my character insinuating that I would condone a rape. Please try not to take my words out of context.

Umm.......Reading comprehension is your friend.
I said nothing of the sort that you would condone rape.
It's called an analogy to showcase your flawed logic.

Yes, we all have a flawed sense of logic don't we? Is reading comprehension going to be my friend if I read more of your crafty posts? I may not see eye to eye with you, but that doesn't give me the liberty to fling a stone or a bottle at you. Not until you show up all geared to do battle.

Thanks for the time and attention.

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Originally posted by Propulsion
So people are saying that because the police are wearing riot protective gear, it gives the protesters the right to throw bottles and rocks? That has to be the most childish excuse I’ve heard in a long time! Are there people out there who actually believe this?

When you are weaing riot PROTECTIVE gears, would you fear a mere bottle thrown at you?

Worse still, WHAT WAS the meaning and intention for RIOT GEAR to be donned on upon defenceless unarmed citizens already threatened to be forcibly removed just because they were only simply excercising their constitional right?

Sometimes, I wonder what they teach at school. Had greed so influenced and corrupted schools and kids today?

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

"Let's stick it to the man".

Are you talking about the 1%? Or are you talking about the police? If it is the 1%, why would you go after the police? Should you also go after the families of the police as well? Or just anyone you feel is against OWS? Does that include me as well? Please be more specific.

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Unlike some beta males on this forum, I recall being in protests as a kid. I also recall my mother dragging my sad ass to go spy on a KKK rally.
When your a kid, it's no fun. All you see is crotches. When a fight breaks out, you get assed to the ground, cuz you're so damned short. When you are too young to read, some idiot can hand you a sign and you look foolish with the sign.
As a result, I don't advocate violence at a protest, because the height challenged people in the group can't see the action starting, and they always get the bad end of it. I can't imagine it's any more fun for the grown-ups.

I would like parents to think before they take their children to a liberal protest. That child may very well grow up voting for Reagan first chance they get to vote.


I don't support the actions of OWS. Our Constitution provides a means of change. That's why it was written the way it was. There are other countries that don't have a Constitution like ours, and plane tickets are cheap nowadays. Just suggesting.

Sounds like the police overreacted.

The people throwing bottles were probably just a few bad apples who should have been dealt with individually, or they were a type of agent provocateur: a person employed by the police or other entity to act undercover to entice or provoke another person to commit an illegal act. More generally, the term may refer to a person or group that seeks to discredit or harm another by provoking them to commit a wrong or rash action.

Demonizing an entire group of protesters because a few of them threw bottles, and then gassing them and shooting them is the same idea as demonizing and then killing all policemen because a cop abused his authority and position of trust by beating somebody up at a traffic stop.

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Oakland has always been kinda rough like that. The cops were probably too aggressive but oakland has a reputation filled with heavy crime that the police have always been well aware of so I'm sure they went in with the ''time to bust skulls'' type mood.Not that everyone at this protest deserved it I tend to believe protesters threw the 1st blow.

I remember a friends story, in which case her vehicle was stolen and striped there.the police made it clear this was a problem there and she would be lucky to ever see any one part of it ever again. This was in the 1970's and people are even more desperate now-a-days leading to the willingness to be even more violent.

I guess my opinion is they are all wrong. The cops for excessive brutality, and the protesters for taking it past ''peaceful'' demonstration.

When your in the middle of a large crowd and someone in that crowd throws a bottle at the riot police what do you expect the riot police to do? They are trained to throw tear gas into the crowd at the first sight of violence too prevent the crowd from getting more violent.

Most of the protesters are followers. If one says to jump, the rest jump! Maybe if they looked in the mirror for once and took control of their lives, they wouldn't be so insecure in having to join a movement that makes them feel good about whom they are.

The protesters started throwing rocks and bottles at the police in protective riot gear first. If they didn’t wear the gear and got hurt, the protesters would have called them stupid for not wearing any of it! I don’t care how you all try to justify it, the protesters are wrong in this case. Can’t any of them accept that?

Originally posted by loveguy
Yes, we all have a flawed sense of logic don't we?

No, I'm just referring to you.

Is reading comprehension going to be my friend if I read more of your crafty posts?

No, it will take you a lot more practice.

I may not see eye to eye with you, but that doesn't give me the liberty to fling a stone or a bottle at you. Not until you show up all geared to do battle.

I guess you still don't get it. Oh, well...
I don't see how you can think it's fine to start a fight because of what someone is wearing.

Thanks for the time and attention.

Anytime

So you would rather admit defeat and let the system we live in now prosper when you know its only gonna get worse? you realize this system won't be fixed unless the people rise up don't you? Maybe you don't agree with OWS but at least someone is doing something and no doubt something major will come of it. Maybe there is a threat of socialism here but there was a threat of sharia law in the uprisings in the middle east but they were willing to take that chance, i think we should take a chance as well for a shot at a better future for our children cause the way things are going now my grandchildren are going to be living in one awful place.

Originally posted by loveguy
I imagine

that if there wasn't a cop dressed in riot gear, there was no reason to throw anything?

Provocation is a duel edged sword.

Curious what the Hell that means... Target stores have little target signs... It's OK to shoot at 'em?

Agents Provocateurs are common in rallies like this. The police can't just start clubbing people, so they have their own people provide a pretext. Real revolutionaries know not to engage in violence whatsoever.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Originally posted by Propulsion

So people are saying that because the police are wearing riot protective gear, it gives the protesters the right to throw bottles and rocks? That has to be the most childish excuse I’ve heard in a long time! Are there people out there who actually believe this?

When you are weaing riot PROTECTIVE gears, would you fear a mere bottle thrown at you?

The protesters started throwing rocks and bottles at the police in protective riot gear first. If they didn’t wear the gear and got hurt, the protesters would have called them stupid for not wearing any of it!

Worse still, WHAT WAS the meaning and intention for RIOT GEAR to be donned on upon defenceless unarmed citizens already threatened to be forcibly removed just because they were only simply excercising their constitional right?

Yeah, we all know about how peacful the protesters have been.

Sometimes, I wonder what they teach at school. Had greed so influenced and corrupted schools and kids today?

I was taught that sometimes the better man walks away from a fight. The protesters aren't walking away. they a STARTING the fight! Plain in simple...

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by loveguy
Yes, we all have a flawed sense of logic don't we?

No, I'm just referring to you.

I don't see how you can think it's fine to start a fight because of what someone is wearing.

I don't see how you don't see that the fight was entirely avoidable. All kinds of BS 'logic' is indoctrinated into each of us at an early age.

Like how about there are only two guarantees in life;1- death, and 2- taxes?
Why and who is imposing taxes on you and me, and is it the same entity that breathed life into us?

According to logic that would make sense no? The same entity that created you is entitled to own you?

YES

Well, the entity that taxes me is not the same entity that created and landed me with all you other creatures upon this bleeding rock.

If that is the case then why is it not in any history texts?

Originally posted by loveguy
I don't see how you don't see that the fight was entirely avoidable.

What? It was totally avoidable. The stupid protesters should not have thrown the first stone. Simple really.

All kinds of BS 'logic' is indoctrinated into each of us at an early age.

Speak for yourself.