reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
Or maybe becase ordinary cops under pressure to meet htheir quotas had no recourse but to do so or become unemployed?
Police officers cannot be fired because they refused to act unlawfully. Ignorantia juris non excusat!
you're hot on asigning moral and criminal blame to ordinary people with little or no ability to effectively resist those put in charge of them.
Presumably you mean the poor, poor, pitiful police officers who just had to act unlawfully because it is their job to do so, and if they don't act
unlawfully they will surely be fired, because they are just ordinary people with little or no ability to effectively resist those insisting that they
do act unlawfully.
Of course, if police officers cannot even resist the unlawful and criminal actions of handful of administrators, surely the people who expect to rely
upon them for protection and service are screwed..and of course, they are.
IMO the hierachy that assigns quotas IS to blame - they do so knowing that most people will do as they are told in order to keep their jobs. Such
cases of "group think" or "learned helplesness" or "group violation condoning attitude" are very real motivators & drivers of human behaviour - &
pretending they dont' exist, or can/should be ignored is foolish.
Sure, it is not the actual conduct and behavior of any individual acting criminally that is to blame, it is instead the policy behind those actions
and behavior that is to blame. Why, all ready you've argued that criminals (as long as they are wearing a badge) cannot be held accountable for their
actions, when everyone knows they are just ordinary people working for the man, and it is the man who made them act this way, so don't hate the
player, player. Hate the game.
You are welcome to your opinion, as tragic and steeped in moral relevance as it is.
but IMO the probable cause here is management ignorance - they did not understand what wold happen when they put quotas in place.
Ha ha ha ha! Of course! First, let's remove the blame from the actual thugs committing the crime, and move that blame to a policy. Next, let's make
sure to exonerate the policy makers because...well, because they just don't understand the damage they are doing. You know, mens rea and all. See?
It's nobody's fault, really, just a stupid policy to blame. So, just because police officers are inclined to trample all over your rights on a daily
basis, this doesn't mean that they do not have good reason to do so, see? They have a job to protect! What are your rights anyway, when it comes to
protecting a tax supported employee?
And if you laid criminal blame every time someone behaved like that (and of course the vast majority do not cause casualties) you'd simply have no
airline industry at all.
If someone is acting criminally then they should and need to be held accountable for their actions. I mean criminally in that an injured party
exists. If there is no victim, there is no crime. Arresting innocent people just to meet a quota is criminal, and if in your profession there are
people acting criminally, it is not acceptable to shrug your shoulders and suggest that too many are acting criminally so we'll just have to tolerate
Getting around human behaviours like this takes courageous leadership from teh top - and courageous following - in both cases to insist on education,
correction when the problem is found.
Courageous followers who took an oath of office to uphold the law, and have genuine respect for that law, will not follow "superior orders" that
demand they act unlawfully. Cowardly followers will.
edit on 13-10-2011 by Jean Paul Zodeaux because: (no reason given)