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Originally posted by DragonTattooz
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
Exactly. Why in the world would they miss their quota, which generates a bad review, which means No Promotion or Raise!? The entire concept of law enforcement meeting quotas should be reviewed by the Supreme Court...oh, wait, they will rule against anything that would benefit the People, so...I dunno, but I think it's kinda spelled out in the Declaration of Independence.
Originally posted by Digital_Reality
The first thing that comes to mind is why in the heck is there a "quota" for putting people in jail. I would think they would aim for a quota more along the lines of a crime free city.
Originally posted by illuminatislave
This happens in every city with a high % of minorities.
Planting hard drugs on someone innocent should be punishable by death.
Originally posted by BadNinja68
There are corrupt cops that break the law..
and there are cops that turn their heads and allow other cops to break the law
Both are just as guilty.
There are no good cops.
These NYPD cops are scumbags, and should be sent to Riker's and put in GP.
They are Gutless Cowards who would rather fram harmelss innocents than actually arrest a criminal.
LEO depts are the biggest most powerful criminal enterprise/gang on the planet.
Aside from the obvious tampering with evidence, the cops are also guilty of:
Felony possesion of drugs, Distrubution of drugs, possession of a fiream in the commission of a Felony,
Possession of a fiream while in possession of felony narcotics, abuse of power, Felony kidnapping, false imprisonment, Assault, ( if the drew their firearms on any innocent they framed, you can add assault with a deadly weapon)
any one of these crimes commited by a civilian while holding a pistol would get us 20-life in a state prison.
Still support LEO?
They have a different set of laws.. they are above the laws we have to obey, and they know it.
They have the power to kill you and walk scott free... with pay.
Before any loser tells me " one day you'll need a cop"..
No I won't.
I ask.. "For what?" Their guns? protection? Im more equipped, better prepared, and better trained than any cop.
I was burglarized many years ago.. cops did nothing... laughed at my broken home, and wasted 2 hours stomping all over my lawn, dumped black fingerprint powder everywhere.. then said they couldnt get a print because it was a "used home with many prints". ( they why even bother if you knew that? the powder ruined the carpet and cost me a $900 deposit when I moved.. thanks boys in blue.
I almost got burglarized again..( keyword: ALMOST)....... this time, I must admit they did litterally carry the burglar away, but the EMT's took over for them at the street.
Cops wit6h high arrest records get promoted faster.
There is a TON of incentive to pad your arrest record.
Oh, BTW.. I worked for many years training LEO officers on situation specific tools, and selling said tools to LEO departments.
From experience: I would NEVER trust a cop.. any cop.
Yes one bad apple that gets ignored by the rest will spoil the entire bushel
edit on 10/13/1111 by BadNinja68 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
Especially appalling this is another incident of Drug War justice. Argue that it could happen with most any type of crime? What is more easily perpetrated, stigmatizes more thoroughly, carries a potentially longer sentence, and more difficult to convincingly deny than to have drugs planted?
A person can be stopped, searched, arrested, convicted, incarcerated, and stigamatized for the rest of their life because they look like a drug user. When it comes down to the citizens word against the law enforcement officer's that damning piece of evidence that is so easily planted is all that is necessary. The officer earns his brownie point for the day, the court gets a conviction, the prison gets another hand for cheap labor, and the innocent victim is scarred for life. Enough of this insanity already.
Just a gang in uniform, nothing more....
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by mademyself1984
I thank you for sharing your perspective as someone on the " front lines". You have made some good points.
My problem is that you seem more defensive than outraged. As a good police officer you should not feel threatened by this story, and criticism of this police officer should not offend you.
I have seen some comments by a few member that were in poor taste towards LEO's, but most the comments I have seen were respectful and should expected once a story like this goes public.
You knew when you decided to become a LEO that they have a bad reputation in general. Many occupations come with this stigma...politicians, bankers, lawyers...etc.
I hope this comment of mine did not seem like a personal attack. I respect all the good cops who actually risk their safety to help the general population. My hat goes off to you
Originally posted by Q:1984A:1776
reply to post by Corruption Exposed
My little brother just had something similar happen to him by a crooked piece of # calling himself an "officer of the law". I wonder what "law" it is that he follows... There are too many of these pigs on the streets, waging war against the American citizenry. I blame all of you cowards who don't stand up and fight in the courtroom when you are charged unlawfully, instead taking plea bargains because you are so easily intimidated. The fear and complacency of the average American is going to force non-violent men like myself to seek another recourse to fight back against this tyranny.
Originally posted by ladyteeny
there are good cops out there, but they are vastly outnumbered by the bullying bad cops that think they have immunity to everything. sadly this seems to be the way that the world's police forces are going, and we are all aware of it yet without a major news story breaking we tend to be ridiculed for our beliefs.
i've been a dj in my life, and in the course of that i've seen plenty of corrupt cops on the job, hiding their badges, hitting pregnant women and children, false accusations, destruction of property, the shooting and killing of family pets.
i also used to run a website called 'rat on a pig' after the police's 'rat on a rat' campaign in the uk. the very first post on there was from somebody that alleged that the police/lawyers/judges have a paedophile ring that he knew all about but valued his life too much to speak out about more. whilst i have no evidence for this, and following subsequent discussion with the poster involved, i have no doubt that what he said was 100% true.
Originally posted by mademyself1984
Originally posted by ladyteeny
there are good cops out there, but they are vastly outnumbered by the bullying bad cops that think they have immunity to everything. sadly this seems to be the way that the world's police forces are going, and we are all aware of it yet without a major news story breaking we tend to be ridiculed for our beliefs.
i've been a dj in my life, and in the course of that i've seen plenty of corrupt cops on the job, hiding their badges, hitting pregnant women and children, false accusations, destruction of property, the shooting and killing of family pets.
i also used to run a website called 'rat on a pig' after the police's 'rat on a rat' campaign in the uk. the very first post on there was from somebody that alleged that the police/lawyers/judges have a paedophile ring that he knew all about but valued his life too much to speak out about more. whilst i have no evidence for this, and following subsequent discussion with the poster involved, i have no doubt that what he said was 100% true.
I have been all over the state, the country, and the world, and I have never in my life been anywhere where it was even close to apparent that bad cops "outnumbered" good ones...In fact I've always noticed the complete opposite of that to be true. The reason bad cops "outnumber" good cops, in most people's view, is because you won't ever notice the cops doing things they way they are supposed to be doing them. Again, hand in hand with the "America's military is full of monsters" train of thought. When was the last time you turned on the news and heard about some transportation unit, that was running convoy security throughout Iraq, taking time out of their days off of mission to organize clothing, toy, sports equipment, school equipment, etc. drives for Iraqi children. Hell, both of my tours, when my unit left Iraq, the televisions, dvd players, stereos, chairs, card tables, microwaves, any food items that were still good to be used, etc., that we weren't taking home with us, were donated to local nationals who lived and worked on post. For every ONE terrible story I've heard about a police officer or group of them, or soldier, or group of them, I have personally seen hundreds of fantastic stories that nobody will ever know outside of those that were present. But still, continue with the rhetoric that because good deeds generally go unnoticed, and bad deeds receive the most publicity, that the majority of people in this world, especially soldiers and police officers, are bad. When again, in most realities, they are normal people, with normal lives, just like you. The only difference is when they go to work they wear a badge or a uniform.edit on 10/14/2011 by mademyself1984 because: (no reason given)
Edited to add, I am fully aware of not only the allegations aforementioned by the police officer in question within this thread, but also the antics of the lunatic fringe of all of the police officers on duty during the OWS circus. How many instances of "pigs" running around pepper spraying and antagonizing the public REALLY happened? How many officers do you suppose at some point in time were assigned to work OWS? There is a piece of work in every crowd. I've seen youtube videos of fast food employees flipping out and attacking customers. I'm not convinced that every guy taking orders in America is out to harm me.edit on 10/14/2011 by mademyself1984 because: (no reason given)edit on 10/14/2011 by mademyself1984 because: (no reason given)
I pretty much knew about the traffic ticket quotas, but the fact is enough people are speeding to where it's not necessary to falsely accuse anyone.
Originally posted by mademyself1984
I'm not condoning "quotas" and in most cases (call me hypocritical if you wish) quotas DO exist in terms of traffic stops, meaning you can't let every swinging dick who goes 5 MPH over the speed limit off with a warning, eventually you DO have to write those people a ticket, as they ARE breaking posted traffic laws. I know, I know, traffic laws and handing out warnings until the end of the month are apples and oranges compared to planting narcotics on innocent people...I'm just saying. MOST departments do not operate on a "quota" outside of traffic law enforcement.
Originally posted by mademyself1984
Nobody can be stopped, searched, arrested, convicted, incarcerated and stigmatized for the rest of their life for looking like a drug user. Fact. I can stop you. I can search you. But I can't convict you, I can't incarcerate you, and I can't stigmatize you if I am in fact wrong. Actually, regardless of whether or not I arrest you, I can't convict you nor incarcerate you. The court handles that. And the burden of proof is on me, or the state.
Right!
Originally posted by 2manyquestions
Originally posted by boncho
Does anyone else think there is something fundamentally wrong with there being "quotas" on things like this?
Police, ideal wise, should be meant to protect the public and make society more civil through public mediation. Not meet their monthly arrest targets....
The reason there's an arrest quota in the first place, is because many police departments need a way to justify their existence. If the city is crime-free, what do we need cops for? Basically the more crime there is, the more cops are needed, the more funding they receive. There are quotas for traffic tickets as well.
As we know, cops have a certain protective 'brotherhood' among them. They don't rat each other out, they cover up each other's mistakes or intentional breach of law, and they basically disown any cop who comes out with the truth. Certain police departments that have these quotas in place will do unethical things in order to keep their jobs safe from elimination.
I'll give you an example. If you have a cop in the family, you might be the recipient of a certain sticker you place on your drivers license. When you break the law (let's say you were speeding or talking on your phone) and you are pulled over, you hand the cop your license, and when he sees the sticker on your license he will not give you a ticket. I know someone with this sticker. He was pulled over by a cop and handed him his license. When the cop saw the sticker, he almost flipped. It was obvious the cop REALLY wanted to nail him for speeding, and the frustration was very apparent. He started yelling and questioning him about who he knew in what police department, and wanted to know the other cop's name. In the end the cop didn't give him a ticket. He let him go, but believe you me.... had that sticker not been on his license, he was gonna get fined pretty good. This cop from a completely different police department 80 miles away wasn't willing to break this secret cop code of conduct!!!edit on 13-10-2011 by 2manyquestions because: (no reason given)