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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
WOW.. I'm Wiccan, not Christian, but even I feel a bit of offense at having the Bible directly compared and contrasted with the virtual road map from one of the most overtly Evil men mankind has ever known. Yikes!
Oh...for the record and with respect to the thread, Mein Kampf. Every day of the week and twice on Sunday. (Pun INTENDED that time. )
Originally posted by Ha`la`tha
reply to post by ShortMemory
Whats worse?
Dumb morons who use either to hate on people... in either case.
And lets not be stupid about it, people use the bible for hate.
I'm not really sure your question is valid - mein kampf ffs??
Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by ShortMemory
Id say every scripture that raises one people above all others, justifies murder or even genocide and spews hatred is evil.
However, in this case I'm biased against Hitler because the Nazis killed half of my Family back in the 3rd Reich.
Plus, the Bible is fiction and the Nazis were very real.
ETA:
Actually, the bloodshed caused in the name of the Bible was very real too, so I'm not sure after all.edit on 13-10-2011 by ColCurious because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ZIPMATT
Another hater .
At the centre of the bible are the poor , the fatherless , the opressed, the orphan , the widow , the blind , the leper , those otherwise afflicted, the homeless and all those in need of charity and healing .
When you clearly havent read the books but produce such vitriol in creates damnation in its firmest sense in the minds of others.
Originally posted by xxsomexpersonxx
Mein Kampf for the most part isn't a bad book. I've always described hitler's only significant flaw in reasoning being that he was a facist; He thought the ends justified the means, but went way to far with the means. Mein Kampf itself only has a few cases of cruelty, involving irradiating unfavorable genes.
The bible, actually contains far for verses of violence, and even promotes violence a lot more. But unlike Mein Kampf, it's interpretation has keep changing to keep up with secular morality, even when the original message is so blatantly there. In that aspect, the bible's worse for being far more violence promoting. But Mein Kampf may be worse if you look at a more acceptable interpretation of the words in the bible.
But, which book caused most damage? The bible caused many wars throughout, lots of death, and even torture. Not to mention deaths of innocents in non-war time as well. Mein Kampf caused(didn't really cause, but let's just go with that), a really big war, and the holocaust.
If you did the total collateral damage, it's really hard to calculate, since the bible's damage is so far spread out. Also, you have to decide if you're gonna factor in the earths population density at times, and how much potential for damage there was(Imagine the crusades with the technology Nazi Germany had access too). There's too many variables, I can't really say which book caused more damage.
They also both caused some amounts of good too, I'm not claiming the bible never did any help, but Mein Kampf also did a lot of help too when not being used for evil.
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I have read a good portion of Mein Kampf, and for the most part I admire the genius behind it, though not all of it. Even if I detest him as well. Even if a lot of his ideas are wrong, I still found it to be good brainfood to see the alternate perspectives put up so elegantly. Hate Hitler, but still admire intelligence when applied usefully. Then turning around and hating it when used in some of the bad ways it was.
I have read a good portion of the bible, I don't see any genius behind it. But I see a gateway to an older(and less civilized) culture.Though I could agree with the few cases of messages of peace and so on, I disagree with most of it because it's the exact opposite. Also disagree that there's any supernatural inspiration for it.
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If I had to Knee Jerk respond, I'd say Mein Kampf's a worse book. But with a little though, I'd revise that to saying that they both are bad in very different ways, and thusly aren't comparable.
Originally posted by Veritas1
reply to post by ShortMemory
I am really sorry to say this, but unless you change and repent, it looks like you and Hitler will have plenty of time to discuss Mein Kampf together. Eternity is a long time my friend. But it doesn't have to be that way. Jesus died for your sins and God has offered you salvation, but you are too hard hearted to receive it. The bible was not written for unbelievers, therefore, unbelievers cannot and will not understand it until you allow God's holy spirit to help you understand it. I realize Im not going to win any points with this post, but some things just need to be said.
Atleast the nazis used for the most part humane ways of killing
Originally posted by daaskapital
Atleast the nazis used for the most part humane ways of killing
What? The Germans chucked people into detention camps, torturing them and gassing them, how is that humane? Please explain.
There is no denying that the Bible preached many things that Mein Kampf bases itself in.
"The Jews were responsible for bringing negroes into the Rhineland with the ultimate idea of bastardising the white race which they hate and thus lowering its cultural and political level so that the Jew might dominate."
"The Jewish youth lies in wait for hours on end...spying on the unsuspicious German girl he plans to seduce.....he wants to contaminate her blood and remove her from the bosom of her own people. The Jew hates the white race and wants to lower its cultural level so that the Jews might dominate."
"The longer I lived in Vienna, the stronger became my hatred for the promiscuous swarm of foreign peoples which began to batten on that old nursery ground of German culture." (A reference to East Europeans)
"Only an adequate large space on this earth assures a nation freedom of existence." A reference to Hitler's policy of living space (Lebensraum)
"We must eliminate the disproportion between our population and our area...... Some of this land can be obtained from Russia..... We must secure for the German people the land and soil to which they are entitled."
"(The state) must see to it that only the healthy beget children; that there is only one disgrace: despite one's own sickness and deficiencies, to bring children into the world; and one highest honour : to renounce doing so. And conversely it must be considered reprehensible to withhold healthy children from the nation." This would later develop into Hitler's idea of the Master Race.
"When you tell a lie, tell big lies. This is what the Jews do, working on the principle, which is quite true in itself, that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility......"
"Whoever wishes to win over the masses must know the key that will open the door to their hearts."
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Originally posted by ShortMemory
Originally posted by daaskapital
Atleast the nazis used for the most part humane ways of killing
What? The Germans chucked people into detention camps, torturing them and gassing them, how is that humane? Please explain.
well its not nice but using gas chambers was probably the most humane way to do what they did.
im not saying that it was all in the gas chambers, a lot of it was horrible deaths but a lot of the killings by god were a lot worse.
Let´s see what is evilbible.com about.: EvilBible.com is a non-profit web site which was developed to promote atheism by revealing the wicked truth about the Bible and religion.
Further, you seem to forget the historical background, of the OT. The books of the OT where written at an era where an eye to eye mentality, slavery and ethics where completely different than ours. For example Hammurabi´s code of laws. In order to understand the context of the quotes from the OT, is crucial to understand when the books are written, why they were written, and what are the books are talking about. 1.The Book of Zephaniah 2.The Book of Zechariah 3.The Book of Malachi 4.The Book of Leviticus 5.The Book of Deuteronomy 6.The Book of Exodus The truth is, the are not equal. There are simply books written in different eras and under different circumstances. The difference is that the "Mein Kampf" simply tell us about Hitler's beliefs. Peace