Mysterious Pre- Inca Scriptures/symbols

This symbols belong to the Itchma (or Ishma) Culture, whom dominated the area of Lima - Peru before the Incas. The wall is part of the main courtyards of the complex of Huaycan of Cieneguilla. The meaning is still unknown.

Somehow it reminds me acient languages from other cultures or biblical times. Maybe someone here can help to decipher them or find a similar one.

The Itchma culture is known for their pyramids and astronomic observation. When the Conquistadors arrived to that area and met them, they found this culture was not directly connected to the Inca's Empire, which conquered them but let keep certain level of autonomy.

Also, is interesting to mention when the spaniards saw the Itchma contructions they called them "Mesquites".



I apologize if some of the links I offer are not english language, happens a lot with pre-inca cultures.

www.clubdeexploradores.org...

Why are people starring and flagging with no input?

I am currently researching it,I will be back.

www.arqueologiadelperu.com.ar...

Some sort of decoration?
If you have google it will translate it for you.

Reminds me a bit of hebrew. The resh and an upside down shin. Interesting. The altars and language suggest a developed society. It always fascinates me how the traditional timeline of societal development mysteriously ignores seeming spontaneous development of institutions. The more we learn the farther back advanced societies appear to have existed.

Originally posted by kdog1982
Why are people starring and flagging with no input?

I am currently researching it,I will be back.

Perhaps because this OP just introduced a previously unaddressed culture that exists as an American culture. I'd never heard of them before... Thanks OP for the intro!

reply to post by stephinrazin


Yes, it looks like hebrew to me too, but remember this wall is in Peru. Crazy right?

reply to post by Heyyo_yoyo


You are welcome. I tried to find english language sources but as I said before, it's always difficult to find pre-columbian cultures info in english.

Thanks.

Found an english language link with some info.

enperublog.com...

Originally posted by kdog1982
Some sort of decoration?

It doesn't look like decoration to me. I never saw something like that in any pre-columbian or inca culture. Those are symbols in a sort of a secuence. Maybe a record of astronomical observations. Just a thought.

I was wondering if the culture had another name or was a sub clan of a larger one?

Link to a list of pre-Incan cultures

I believe you will find that are known in English as the Ychsma or Ichma or even Icma

www.military.com...

I watched one of these where most of the guys lost arms and legs :-(

reply to post by Hanslune


I believe we know so little about these cultures and even the archeologists are not sure. I also notice the variations in the name. Remember there wasn't written language in that area, so the pronunciation may vary. Still in our days, quechua (inca's language) spoken in the north of Peru is different from the one of the south.

reply to post by Char-Lee


I think you posted it in the wrong thread.

Here are some examples of hebrew writings,in various forms.



Also this





Maybe a song?

reply to post by kdog1982


The reason I threw in the musical notation is because I can sort of read music,that is what it looked like to me.
It is a message or writing or something.
It definitely is just not decorations .
There is some sort of message there.

Originally posted by Heyyo_yoyo

Originally posted by kdog1982
Why are people starring and flagging with no input?

I am currently researching it,I will be back.

Perhaps because this OP just introduced a previously unaddressed culture that exists as an American culture. I'd never heard of them before... Thanks OP for the intro!

That's fine.I understand.
It is a great find and has really peaked my curiosity.

Maybe those m shaped symbols relate to a volcano?
en.wikipedia.org...

The symbols do look like some of the Hebrew letters, but reversed or rotated...

And they are called the Itchma ( Ishma )? Sounds like Ishmael without the el. Could they be related to him, or his descendants somehow, or named in his honor?...

reply to post by kdog1982


The volcano you mention is the Waynaputina, it is located in Moquegua which is about 1000 kilometers from Huaycan (Lima), so the people who made these symbols probably didn't know the volcano exist.

Since they practiced astronomical observation of the moon and stars, I believe those are their records or a part of a calendar, maybe the moon phases.

There are other walls in the site, with symbols displayed as a patern for decoration purpose, this wall is different from all those ones.

Originally posted by NowanKenubi
The symbols do look like some of the Hebrew letters, but reversed or rotated...

And they are called the Itchma ( Ishma )? Sounds like Ishmael without the el. Could they be related to him, or his descendants somehow, or named in his honor?...

Yes, I also noticed that. Also look like arameic. Certainly, those symbols are not supose to be in that part of the planet.

Well, according to the mormons, some of the tribes of Israel came to America. Maybe?

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Trueman


You are right, I forgot to think about them, too.

Looks like Hebrew, except for that "bow" kind of symbol.