US Marines headed to WALLSTREET to protect protesters! THIS IS IT

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by Honor93
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actually, if it wasn't backwards, it'd be a valuable contribution.
The FED owns, Wall St is the pimp and we are their prostitutes ... now do you see the full picture?
Wall St is nothing more than a pawn in the game, that's all.

obviously (by the duration and inflammation to date) TPTB are more than willing to sacrifice this pawn to save the ??? King / Fed ... are you really that misled?

You know this is why I find these guys to be an appropriate Yin to the Tea Party's Yang. One can erode the Fed while the other reforms Wall Street and we'll all meet in the middle.

Seriously, they are both issues and we should both cheer on anybody who is trying to do something about it. I cheered on the crazy Tea Partiers so they can cheer on these guys.

whatever, cheerleaders appear on both sides, doesn't really influence the game though.
personally, i understand that we fundamentally disagree, you are socialist, i am not.
you support the protests (regardless of source), i cannot.

it's the "in the middle" part giving me a true heartache ... where exactly is that?
martial law, anarchy, totalitarianism, dictatorship, where exactly?
all socialist societies have a leader, who is applying for the job?
all socialist rhythms beat the drum of equality but for who?

no socialist society has granted Earth the respect it deserves. no socialist society has preserved Earths' resources. no socialist society has ever generated the proclaimed "utopia" as is supposedly claimed. so, why support a socialist structure?
really ?? what is in it for the next generation? more of the same?

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Maurice Strong, UN advocate

After all, sustainability means running the global environment - Earth Inc. - like a corporation: with depreciation, amortization and maintenance accounts. In other words, keeping the asset whole, rather than undermining your natural capital.
I am on the board of corporations who contribute both to environmental problems and their solutions. And I am on the NGO side: the Earth Council and other organizations.
Maurice Strong
am President of the UN created University for Peace, which has a strong commitment to the relationship between peace, security and the environment. I meet with young people around the world and I always come away enthused and encouraged.
Maurice Strong
Nevertheless, the concept of sustainable development is now known - even amongst those who haven't accepted it - and it's recognized, debated and followed by an increasing number of businesses.
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Originally posted by MightyQuincunx
OOOOH...I hope that this is true! It's about time. I can't wait to see the videos of local police trying to "take down" or hush US Armed Forces in full dress. For all of you on ATS who stated that this "Occupy Wall Street Thing" won't work...think again. This is just a start. This is what we pay our soldiers to protect...OUR FREEDOM.

didnt tust hallen in the 70s? of course the effect was mitigated bs the fact that many looked like Hippies and stoners

You can fight for America or for Wall Street not both.It's really that simple to me.These vets are sick and tired of the parasites in government,wall street and fed who have been feeding off,our blood sweat and tears.To all those sputtering in rage about these supposed "ingrates." and "socialists" they sound oddly similar to the loyalists back in the revolution they only cared about how the rebellion would effect their bottom line.In the end the more things change the more they stay the same.


PS:Is this what the Tea Party and Patriot Movement said they were about? oh,wait I forgot the NFL season has just started and so has Dancing with the Stars!!!

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I guess I just fail to see how any of those quotes are "wrong". Then you pair him in an article with Soros. Again, I see no problem. And now I'm scratching my head as to why I'm defending some dude you brought up. Is this still about you trying to change the definition of the word "sustainable"?

This is why I didn't want to go down this road with you. The things that you say that happen to be factually accurate, I don't find to be fundamentally wrong.

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by Honor93
what does msm have to do with this anyway?

I don't mean to minimize the rest of what you said but I wanted to clarify. The reason I brought up the msm is because, if it were funded by some heavy hitters, don't you think they'd have more interest from the media? Balloon Boy was on the front page for a week yet these guys barely get a nod in their direction.

As to the rest of what you said: I see it but I don't think it should detract from the point. If there aren't enough "non-socialists" then maybe you should join their ranks and influence them. It's not a members-only protest.

no ... timing is everything ... premature climax is not part of the equation.
Balloon boy was not a protest, or a financed plot, it was a tug on the heart strings of everyone involved.
Balloon boy was a criminal act, period.
does that make it acceptable or news worthy?

Cuervo, i've already stated multiple times that when a platform/grievance/plan of action is issued, i am pliable enough to participate for the right reasons. At this point, there are none.
i do not support Agenda 21
i do not support unions
i do not support the intent being displayed on national television, on alternate media outlets or on their own website for that matter. It is what we used to call -- a clusterf*ck and we deserve better.

thanks for the invite but my freedoms have been trampled, usurped, over-ruled and diffused by the best of them ... this group cannot compare and i refuse to have the important issues over-looked via the lottery of grievances posted for ALL to participate. Since when does the whole world have a say in the American system?

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You know what? I dont think anyone here supports bailouts and robbing the people to pay corporations and CEOs big bonuses etc, and I know that the Tea Party had signs opposing this stuff, but liberals trashed the Tea Party, and now here is a bunch of leftists spouting the socialist agenda as the answer. The fact that Unions, Ruckus SOciety, Canadian NGOS with environmental UN agendas are all backing this protest suggests that it is almost entirely leftist and many of the people there have said they want communism or various socialist agendas, and the lists of demands all reflect that thinking too.

Originally posted by Honor93

no socialist society has granted Earth the respect it deserves. no socialist society has preserved Earths' resources. no socialist society has ever generated the proclaimed "utopia" as is supposedly claimed. so, why support a socialist structure?

There are quite a few socialist structures that work quite well. Just look at any of the Scandinavian nations. I think you've mistaken me though. On a federal level, I'm a wild west cowboy of capitalism. It's on a local, state level that I'm a commie bastard. I'm one of those socialists that are for states rights. To each his own as long as we all recognize the common enemies.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Cuervo

 

You know what? I dont think anyone here supports bailouts and robbing the people to pay corporations and CEOs big bonuses etc, and I know that the Tea Party had signs opposing this stuff, but liberals trashed the Tea Party, and now here is a bunch of leftists spouting the socialist agenda as the answer.

So that's what this is about. What many here do not realize is that there were tons of us "lefties" who supported the frustration of the Tea Party and who support these guys too. Some of us refuse to be petty. Join us! Join US!

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Well, there ya go. So it's not that I'm wrong on what the agenda is, its that you actually support it. And it's nothing but Totalitarianism. You say you want to fight TPTB and here you are all gung ho for the exact thing that is at the Top of the whole freakin heap.
If you want to participate in your own demise that's your business, but you make it mine also when you support the very apparatus which is bringing us all into the NWO.

Originally posted by whywhynotWithout comment either pro or con on the nature of the protest I simply comment that if servicemen do indeed appear in uniform they open themselves up to some pretty big problems with the service. The US Army (and all other services) highly regulate the wearing of the uniform.

If these are veterans groups who have been discharged or no longer on active or reserve status they are not subject to UCMJ and can pretty much do whatever they wish with their old uniforms.

Originally posted by whywhynotMy experience is that this would be handled quickly by military police particularly with the advance warning that has now been given.

Military Police have absolutely zero arrest authority off of a military installation and could do diddly to anyone for a uniform violation anyways unless they were on post and say impersonating an officer or something like a stolen valor case.

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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You know what? I dont think anyone here supports bailouts and robbing the people to pay corporations and CEOs big bonuses etc, and I know that the Tea Party had signs opposing this stuff, but liberals trashed the Tea Party, and now here is a bunch of leftists spouting the socialist agenda as the answer.

So that's what this is about. What many here do not realize is that there were tons of us "lefties" who supported the frustration of the Tea Party and who support these guys too. Some of us refuse to be petty. Join us! Join US!

This is not being petty, it is seeing it for what it is.

Anyway to be on topic, not everyone in the military is going to see things the same way. If these marines want to support it, they can do it at their own risk, but they do not represent all the troops. I would be interested to see if any of them are oath keepers, or if oath keepers would get behind this.

Semper Fidelis. Marines are the tip of the spear. You will never find a better bunch of patriotic people than Marines. I am proud to say that i am a Marine. Civilians think that just becuase we go fight wars that were the bad guys too. I hope this proves to the country that Marines fight for the people, not the corrupt leaders who send us to do their dirty work. I'd like to see what happens the day they try to tell Marines to treat American civilians the way we treat the people of Iraq and Afganistan. TPTB will be in for one hell of a surprise. OORAH and remember one thing boys, RETREAT HELL!!!

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Well, there ya go. So it's not that I'm wrong on what the agenda is, its that you actually support it. And it's nothing but Totalitarianism. You say you want to fight TPTB and here you are all gung ho for the exact thing that is at the Top of the whole freakin heap.
If you want to participate in your own demise that's your business, but you make it mine also when you support the very apparatus which is bringing us all into the NWO.

I can't argue with that! I don't think we agree on what is on top of the heap but the rest is pretty spot on. And if the current state of capitalism is the alternative to the NWO, then sign me up for the Illuminati. I'll try not to "drag you down" when I do.

If you don't want to be, then... like I said, maybe you (and others with your mind) should join those poor kids and influence things. The crowd is made up of individuals. Individuals can change any crowd. The current financial system is the storm and many are just looking for a port.

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As long as the Unions are involved I would never join. Richard Trumka bragged about being involved in the Egypt uprising. Code Pink is there too and I would never support one of their protests, even if I am against these wars. They kiss up to Chavez, in fact they kissed Chavez...when they went to visit him in Venezuela. Had a nice photo op with him.

If it's anything to you, you seem like a nice person. I don't blame you if you believe what the UN says it's for. It is just my belief that it is the seat of the One World Govt is all.

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by Honor93

no socialist society has granted Earth the respect it deserves. no socialist society has preserved Earths' resources. no socialist society has ever generated the proclaimed "utopia" as is supposedly claimed. so, why support a socialist structure?

There are quite a few socialist structures that work quite well. Just look at any of the Scandinavian nations. I think you've mistaken me though. On a federal level, I'm a wild west cowboy of capitalism. It's on a local, state level that I'm a commie bastard. I'm one of those socialists that are for states rights. To each his own as long as we all recognize the common enemies.

ok i concede, not many have successfully confused or confounded me but with this statement, you certainly have succeeded ...

On a federal level, I'm a wild west cowboy of capitalism. It's on a local, state level that I'm a commie bastard.

... how can you possibly achieve both?

if you are saying a free market system must be capitalistic, we still disagree.
if you are saying federal oversight is necessary, why bother with states' rights?
if states' right are superior (agreed), why support the Fed as it stands today?
If we agree the FED Reserve is the crux of the problem, how does Wall St effect change there ?
**** they will simply turn on the printing press
Since Wall St is just a pawn, why shouldn't the FED sacrifice it for the "greater good" ?
IF this is all part of the plan to instill Martial Law, why feed the beast?

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I'm having an equally difficult time with that one myself

Interestingly, the govt has at times tried to stop monopolistic tendencies in certain organizations. Reagan breaking up Bell Telephone comes to mind. Unfortunately, due to the fact that everyone was still using the same lines, it ended up just having smaller businesses leasing the existing infrastructure. But what is interesting is how the telecommunications industry changed with mobile phones. But the old Bell company is beginning to reconsolidate it's old components again. It is hard to compete even with new technologies.

The other one was Microsoft, when the Clinton admin filed an anti trust suit against MS. Up till then, MS was allowed to dominate the market in an unprecedented way and with predatory licensing practices.

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Oath Keepers are not supporting this, yet.
like me, they prefer a purpose and this hasn't offered one.
not saying they, as a group, won't but at this time, their reputation is far greater than the petty displays going on at Wall St.

it is my firm belief that discussions are occurring which may lead to their appearance but that is likely for many groups still watching from the sidelines.

I just wanted to say wow, this movement really seems to be building right from the seed up, it's pretty exciting. It was just a few days ago when I heard about "Occupy Wall Street", since then more and more cities are running with the idea.

The idea has already spilled into Canada, I just found out a few minutes before writing this through a facebook/real friend that "Occupy Nova Scotia" has already started.(Nova Scotia is a small province on the east coast of Canada with a population roughly just under 1 million, anyway..) Today I believe was the first day here in Halifax N.S. that people gathered in The Commons and the word is now out to meet everyday at 3pm and stand in solidarity with the revolution.

Can't wait to watch this develop over the next few weeks, things are getting interesting, this is it people.

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I think you're just worried that they'll take your xbox and your paint respirator away. If wallstreet falls poor and needy Americans might actually have jobs making goods again, and you'll still have your precious things.