Jesus is NEVER coming back in the flesh

reply to post by Akragon


He is referring to 2 Thessalonians where the writer says, Don't believe that first letter, that one is a forgery, this is the real one.
It says, Don't be fooled into thinking Jesus is going to return all that soon, first the man of sin must be revealed.
So dispensationalists have created a whole elaborate mythology about who and what and how and where this mystery is or will be, which is a contradiction in terms because the letter implies no one will have a clue what it is until it happens.
Of course I go with the evidence and say the first letter was the real one, and the second letter was the forgery, written after Paul was dead. The evidence being of 1 Thessalonians as being very early, and 2 Thessalonians being very late, as in a huge lapse of time between then and not like a couple moths or whatever if you believed in what the second letter says.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

I'm sorry but read Matthew 24 again in fact read about the fallen Angel they were the heavenly luminaries, stars in heaven and that's how the coming of the Son of Man shall be. His return shall be 2 separate goats from sheep. To separate Phosphates from Sugar molecules to separate Lucifer from Cain. The bible is not about religion, the Apostle Paul said it himself in the book of Romans, it's a master work of physics and math and cycles, cause and effect and positive and negative energy. You ever wonder why there is so many names for God in the bible they're showing different attributes of nature. The Bible even says that's the mathematical balance that exist in all things testifies to His existence. He will return but not in a carbon 12 state of matter. Seek it out for yourself. Live a life that our Father in heaven can bless. Love always3archimg

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

I'm sorry but read Matthew 24 again in fact read about the fallen Angel they were the heavenly luminaries, stars in heaven and that's how the coming of the Son of Man shall be. His return shall be 2 separate goats from sheep. To separate Phosphates from Sugar molecules to separate Lucifer from Cain. The bible is not about religion, the Apostle Paul said it himself in the book of Romans, it's a master work of physics and math and cycles, cause and effect and positive and negative energy. You ever wonder why there is so many names for God in the bible they're showing different attributes of nature. The Bible even says that's the mathematical balance that exist in all things testifies to His existence. He will return but not in a carbon 12 state of matter. Seek it out for yourself. Live a life that our Father in heaven can bless. Love always3archimg

Originally posted by always3arching
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

I'm sorry but read Matthew 24 again in fact read about the fallen Angel they were the heavenly luminaries, stars in heaven and that's how the coming of the Son of Man shall be. His return shall be 2 separate goats from sheep. To separate Phosphates from Sugar molecules to separate Lucifer from Cain. The bible is not about religion, the Apostle Paul said it himself in the book of Romans, it's a master work of physics and math and cycles, cause and effect and positive and negative energy. You ever wonder why there is so many names for God in the bible they're showing different attributes of nature. The Bible even says that's the mathematical balance that exist in all things testifies to His existence. He will return but not in a carbon 12 state of matter. Seek it out for yourself. Live a life that our Father in heaven can bless. Love always3archimg

God has numerous titles, I'm only aware of one "Name" for God.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

That is a fair amount of Judgement there, lonewolf. You are a Bible believer, so I direct you to Romans 2:

"1. Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?"

Still feel comfortable about making judgements?

reply to post by always3arching


As NuT said:

God has numerous titles, I'm only aware of one "Name" for God.

You are right, Yeshua will not come as we knew him as a man, but in His Glorified form looking as the Ancient of Days. As Yahweh the Almighty. Will he still bear the scars he showed Thomas? That i can't say, although Zechariah 12 may give us some clue:


Zechariah 12:10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.

We have other descriptions as how he will appear:

Revelation 1:10-18

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, 11 saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and,[f] “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”

12 Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; 16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me,[h] “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

Revelation 19:11-16

11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.

We can look back into the OT and see clearly who this was, and is, and is to come:

Daniel 7:9

9 “I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire;

Isaiah has a dialogue with Him:

Isaiah 63:1-6
(Isaiah asks)
1 Who is this who comes from Edom,
With dyed garments from Bozrah,
This One who is glorious in His apparel,
Traveling in the greatness of His strength?—

(Yahweh/Yeshua replies)
“I who speak in righteousness, mighty to save.”

(Isaiah asks)
2 Why is Your apparel red,
And Your garments like one who treads in the winepress?

(Yahweh/Yeshua replies)
3 “I have trodden the winepress alone,
And from the peoples no one was with Me.
For I have trodden them in My anger,
And trampled them in My fury;
Their blood is sprinkled upon My garments,
And I have stained all My robes.
4 For the day of vengeance is in My heart,
And the year of My redeemed has come.
5 I looked, but there was no one to help,
And I wondered
That there was no one to uphold;
Therefore My own arm brought salvation for Me;
And My own fury, it sustained Me.
6 I have trodden down the peoples in My anger,
Made them drunk in My fury,
And brought down their strength to the earth.”

Who is the First and the Last, the Alpha and Omega?

Isaiah 44:6-8

6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
7 And who can proclaim as I do?
Then let him declare it and set it in order for Me,
Since I appointed the ancient people.
And the things that are coming and shall come,
Let them show these to them.
8 Do not fear, nor be afraid;
Have I not told you from that time, and declared it?
You are My witnesses.
Is there a God besides Me?
Indeed there is no other Rock;
I know not one.’”

Who is Master? Who proclaims it?

Matthew 24:3-25

3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all[a] these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

The Great Tribulation
15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[c] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

That is a fair amount of Judgement there, lonewolf. You are a Bible believer, so I direct you to Romans 2:

"1. Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?"

Still feel comfortable about making judgements?

Matthew 7:15-20

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

reply to post by autowrench


By chance have you ever read John 7:24?

reply to post by autowrench


Do you want to know where that "Judge not" scripture came from? It came from pharisees esteeming people who were wealthy more than the poor just because they had money and were prosperous. Take for instance, a poor person and a rich person walk into a church and the preacher gives the rich man the best seat in the house, while the poor soul ends up standing up in the backrow without a seat because he's poor that is what that scripture is for. It's about not making righteous judgements and has nothing to do with us exposing wolves in sheeps clothing, such as yourself who twists scripture to his own evil purpose.

So then to your mind is as A-OK to go about judging everyone not in your little cult, then, right? That sounds about right, the Christians in here do judge everyone but themselves. And they go about spouting fairy tales and myths with no proof of content or person, counting on a book written by men with an agenda which is even now being borne out. In many ways, I wish your godman would come back and collect all of the little faithful congregations and take them away somewhere else. Perhaps then here at ATS we could get back to studying Conspiracies again.