Am i the only one who supports Israel

reply to post by beezzer


I see you constantly trashing liberals, expecially when they critisize Israel. It is ironic, however, since Israel was founded by largely liberals on socialist principles.

I believe that the support and criticism for Israel are at an even 50/50. I can vouch for this as most my posts have been in the Middle East Discussion forum.

People act as if the pro-Israeli crowd is riduculed and in some sense persecuted on these forums, yet fail to see that both sides of the spectrum are constantly ridiculed. I would say I am some way in between in the centre of the spectrum and I have seen both sides launch accusations and ad-hominem attacks in my direction, however I mostly see this coming from the pro-Israel crowd. I have come to the conclusion that this is some sort of defence mechanism when faced with historical, social, economic and political facts.

Hamas doesn't deserve a voice. The people who live in the palestinian territories (Gaza Strip and West Bank) do not deserve our respect. Not until they stand up as a people and desire peace.

Have a look:

Hamas is a brutal regime that has NO right to govern the palestine people. They're criminals.

Look here:
en.wikipedia.org ...

...Between 2001 and January 2009, over 8,600 rockets had been launched, leading to 28 deaths and several hundred injuries,[1][2] as well as widespread psychological trauma and disruption of daily life.
............
...However, in 2006 more sophisticated rockets began to be deployed, reaching the larger coastal city of Ashkelon, and by early 2009 major cities Ashdod and Beersheba had been hit by Katyusha and Grad rockets.
............
...The attacks, widely condemned for targeting civilians, have been described as terrorism by United Nations, European Union and Israeli officials, and are defined as war crimes by human rights groups Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

These rocket attacks which have become increasingly sophisticated are the reason Israel entered into the Gaza War and established a blockade. People have short memories!

It's speculated that weapons and materials are being smuggled into the palestinian territories.

Hamas, voted into power by the palestinian people in 2007, has been at war with Israel ever since. They had a chance to crack down on the rocket attacks and stop them. By not doing this they have showed the international community their true intentions. They want a war and that's what will happen most likely. It's a circus that they want statehood now. THEY DESERVE WAR.

So I REJECT their bid for statehood because their actions show they want war instead.

reply to post by Immune


I don't support Israel. I'm staying out of that mess. Yes i'm sympathetic to their plight as they have enemies all around them, but theres nothing i can do about it and frankly, they kinda did it to themselves. It may be that the lands of palestine belonged to them until 2000 years ago, but the jewish rebels that failed to overtrhow the Romans rule in 70 A.D. paid the price for that failure.

However i will go so far as to say this. None of the land any nation on earth claims belongs to these countries. Mankind is just leasing God's property and more often than not were squatters, just like the paletinians that squatted on Israel's lands after the jews were expelled in 70 A.D.

I can't support any nation that kills the peoples of another nation, i don't even support my government when it comes to breaking the commandments God set down in the OT. Murder is not my way and for all intents and purposes war is murder.

According to their own torah they are not to have a nation until their messiah brings them to it, they were cast out as nomads and to remain as such. Why should so many support a people who cannot maintain their own covenant with their own god, why should people support the only religious ideology on the planet that also quantifies itself as a race to an exploitative end.

Israel exist today as a wedge that was driven between arab nations with mal intent, populated with a people who had no qualms with committing atrocities before the dust of the second world war had even settled. They are a people who are dedicated to espionage, subterfuge, bribery and manipulation and should no longer be propped up as yet another example of the failure that is western nation building.

reply to post by Immune


Stick to your guns friend

Most of the anti-Israel posters on this forum haven't the first clue about the region's history and have been sucked in by the very same MSM that they would never buy into on any other topic on ATS.

The problem is that you are fighting against people who are driven by passion and hatred rather than intelligence and knowledge most of the time. Kind of like debating something of significance with the average youtube troll.

Majority in favour of one side of an argument equals more stars and flags for that side, leading you to maybe question your beliefs at times. However, take strength from this Gandhi quote;

"Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth."


Regards, Skellon.

I would love to know what exactly Israel contributes to the US apart from Zionist propaganda and instigation of war. Why are we giving hundreds of billions of dollars to a country when we're in this crisis anyway? This isn't even about hating Israel, despite their inhuman treatment of Palestine; but of the need to bail on bad foreign policy that only digs the ditch deeper.

reply to post by Skellon


Thanks for the support

reply to post by Raelsatu


And i agree whole heartily back on page 1 any and all foreign aid needs to stop immediately to get our own act together feed our hungry cure our sick and put the american worker back to work till then every other country should handle their own problems but sadly the tools we vote into power neglect their people and worry about others. But this has no bearings on my feelings towards Israel even if we did not financially support them i would still morally support them.

Originally posted by Skewed
reply to post by buster2010

 

So if I signed an agreement with all your neighbors to collectively make you leave your neighborhood you would not "attack" back in any way you could to stop us?

Yes, I believe you would.

edit on 20-9-2011 by Skewed because: (no reason given)

No I would not. Unlike you I do not cave in to what other people think or says. I would point out the property belongs to me and I would not under any circumstances be leaving and if they didn't like it then they could collectively kiss my backside.

Originally posted by celticsea
i support israel. after all god chose these people to reveal his son and the plan of salvation to us.

edit on 9/20/11 by celticsea because: spelling

But they didn't reveal Jesus, they tried to silence him and failed. It was the judeo-christians who revealed him, not the "jews" themselves. When Jesus had begun his ministries, His mother Mary, and Mary Magda, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Andrew, Thomas, James, Bartholomew etc. had all become realized to the truth. It was the Pharisees that tried to shut him out.

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by Skewed
reply to post by buster2010

 

So if I signed an agreement with all your neighbors to collectively make you leave your neighborhood you would not "attack" back in any way you could to stop us?

Yes, I believe you would.

edit on 20-9-2011 by Skewed because: (no reason given)

No I would not. Unlike you I do not cave in to what other people think or says. I would point out the property belongs to me and I would not under any circumstances be leaving and if they didn't like it then they could collectively kiss my backside.

take a look at that statement you just made because that's exactly what happened in the 6 day war their borders were lined with enemy troops surrounded Israel said thats enough and struck first just as you would Israel said kiss my backside and went all out

don't believe me if Canada and Mexican troops stacked up on the borders and Chinese troops held out in international waters off our shores with ill intent would you wait for them to strike or would you land the first blow?
i dont believe you would let them hit first i know i wouldnt

reply to post by Skellon


Most of the people on this site have never read the bible . They don't have a clue whats happening in thier world today . They only know that it gets in the way of their party , what ever that constitutes .
The fact is that the world will turn against Israel including America . Israel will bear the blame for what the World Bank and IMF is about to do to the World Economy . The fact that all of these Banksters call themselves Jews along with the NWO bunch . These serve only moneyand power . I believe that Jesus addressed these so called Jews in the Temple even back then . These people are unaware that we are entering the period of the Great Tribulation . They think that things are going to get better and no matter what happens to Israel it won't affect their world . I doubt that most of them have ever heard of the war coming Gog and Magog or the Mark of the Beast . Satan is a master of dulision , the first thing he does is to make you look past God .

Just to let you know OP that I also support Israel. Always have and always will, so you are not alone. I am really sick of the bash Israel threads and the bash Christian threads on this site. Its loaded with them and I wont read them anymore. Good to see someone start a thread about Israel that at least starts out positive and truthful, IMO...

reply to post by SimonPeter


Some may argue that the real delusion is believing a 2000 year old book constitutes the only true belief out of the countless beliefs in existence. I do agree some of what the Bible says pieces together nicely with what's happening, but other parts are completely off-track nonsense. Anyway, predicting that someday humanity will face a crisis is like predicting the sun will eventually die out. If I predict that 2000 years from now, some people will be psychopathic war-mongerers, does that make me a prophet? No, these things happen because it's the circle of life and it's been that way for all of time.

I support no one but my family, friends, and fellow countrymen. If Israel wants to cause ruckus over there, then just let Turkey sort it out. Keep the U.S. out of it.

Originally posted by illuminatislave
reply to post by Immune

 

they don't know how to make peace with their neighbors

that is the most naive statement I've seen all day. They're neighbors do not want peace now, they want to destroy.

I agree that we need to take care of matters at home.. but we do not need to leave allies high and dry.

Originally posted by jonnywhite
Hamas doesn't deserve a voice. The people who live in the palestinian territories (Gaza Strip and West Bank) do not deserve our respect. Not until they stand up as a people and desire peace.

Have a look:

Hamas is a brutal regime that has NO right to govern the palestine people. They're criminals.

Look here:
en.wikipedia.org ...

...Between 2001 and January 2009, over 8,600 rockets had been launched, leading to 28 deaths and several hundred injuries,[1][2] as well as widespread psychological trauma and disruption of daily life.
............
...However, in 2006 more sophisticated rockets began to be deployed, reaching the larger coastal city of Ashkelon, and by early 2009 major cities Ashdod and Beersheba had been hit by Katyusha and Grad rockets.
............
...The attacks, widely condemned for targeting civilians, have been described as terrorism by United Nations, European Union and Israeli officials, and are defined as war crimes by human rights groups Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

These rocket attacks which have become increasingly sophisticated are the reason Israel entered into the Gaza War and established a blockade. People have short memories!

It's speculated that weapons and materials are being smuggled into the palestinian territories.

Hamas, voted into power by the palestinian people in 2007, has been at war with Israel ever since. They had a chance to crack down on the rocket attacks and stop them. By not doing this they have showed the international community their true intentions. They want a war and that's what will happen most likely. It's a circus that they want statehood now. THEY DESERVE WAR.

So I REJECT their bid for statehood because their actions show they want war instead.

edit on 20-9-2011 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)

Well said!!!!!!!

I guess "murder" seems to be Israels Modus Operandi. So people who support Israel support murder. Simple as that.

ABNA

This may seem silly but you know what give the Palestinians the state they want and then we can see the true intentions of them, and the first rocket they fire into Israel it can be called a war between countries and Israel can push them into the sea once an for all and have the backing of the UN after all an unwarranted attack on another country is against international law and no one could say a damn thing or........ maybe the Palestinians will lay down their arms and live peacefully yup that's what will happen

and as for the US opponents of Israel you whine about the billions of dollars we gave them guess what they did with it they built the settlements that you want them to give away so hows that for your hard earned money they seem to want to hold on to what they made with our money why don't you? whats next you want to rebuild the caves in Afghanistan?

reply to post by Immune

And how exactly was it "established"? Was there anyone else living on the land already?