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reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 01:56 PM by illuminatislave

Originally posted by Immune
reply to post by UnaChispa

Most of the land Israel has was given to them from the UN or won in wars so either blame the UN for giving them the land or blame the Palestinians/Egyptian,Syrians and Jordanians for starting a fight in 1967 and losing

....so are you being paid to shill for Israel, or are you just doing this out of the goodness of your heart?

And please, get your facts straight.

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 01:56 PM by beezzer

Originally posted by illuminatislave

Originally posted by beezzer
Just an FYI. . .

More here
www.raptureready.com...

Ah, and your source is some christian extremist website. Good stuff there buddy "rapture ready"...frickin lunatics.

You have a problem with the facts cited or the source?
Lets debate.

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 01:58 PM by UnaChispa

reply to post by Immune

So you don't think that the Jews had an influence in the UN's decision making? You think the UN spontaneously came to that decision?

(The UN should be held accountable for many things they have done)

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 02:00 PM by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Kemal

*whaa*

Some black folks are still screaming for reparations. You gonna tell them to shut up?

All Israel wants is to be left alone.

The original UN plan was for 2 states, a Palestinian and Israeli State. What is wrong with keeping to those terms. Remember it is Israel, illegally building settlements in palestinian lands, surely israel should return to the agreed boarders and the establishment of a Palestinian state with a voice at the UN should also be finally granted.

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 02:02 PM by Skewed

I cannot swear to it but I seem to recall that Israel told the Palestine's that if they agreed to something they would give the land back or something along those lines and would quit occupying the Palestine country. It seems that Palestine has been uncooperative ever since they got their butts kicked in the 6 day war when Israel gave them their option.

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 02:08 PM by beezzer

reply to post by woodwardjnr

Israel's boundaries were determined by the United Nations when it adopted the partition resolution in 1947. In a series of defensive wars, Israel captured additional territory. On numerous occasions, Israel has withdrawn from these areas. As part of the 1974 disengagement agreement, Israel returned territories captured in the 1967 and 1973 wars to Syria. Under the terms of the 1979, Israeli-Egyptian peace treaty, Israel withdrew from the Sinai peninsula for the third time. It had already withdrawn from large parts of the desert area it captured in its War of Independence. After capturing the entire Sinai in the 1956 Suez conflict, Israel relinquished the peninsula to Egypt a year later. In September 1983, Israel withdrew from large areas of Lebanon to positions south of the Awali River. In 1985, it completed its withdrawal from Lebanon, except for a narrow security zone just north of the Israeli border. That too was abandoned, unilaterally, in 2000. After signing peace agreements with the Palestinians and a treaty with Jordan, Israel agreed to withdraw from most of the territory in the West Bank captured from Jordan in 1967. A small area was returned to Jordan and the rest was ceded to the Palestinian Authority. The agreement with the Palestinians also involved Israel's withdrawal, in 1994, from most of the Gaza Strip, which had been captured from Egypt in 1973.

www.raptureready.com...

Please visit the site. It may explain it better than I could.

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 02:12 PM by buster2010

Originally posted by Immune
reply to post by UnaChispa

Most of the land Israel has was given to them from the UN or won in wars so either blame the UN for giving them the land or blame the Palestinians/Egyptian,Syrians and Jordanians for starting a fight in 1967 and losing

You fail at history don't you? Israel started the war in 67 not the Palestinians/Egyptian,Syrians and Jordanians and did so by sneak attack. In that war, Israel responded to Egyptian warmongering by launching a surprise attack that ultimately led to quick and decisive victory against four of Israel’s Arab neighbors. Also it is against the law to acquire land by force.

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reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 02:15 PM by Skewed

reply to post by buster2010

Well I certainly would not have posted my intentions on fb that I was going to attack.
A surprise attack is common strategy used by every military on the planet.

The real question is, was it an act of aggression or a preemptive strike.

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reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 02:16 PM by GovtFlu

Originally posted by AuntB
I support and admire Israel 100%. I don't discuss it on here, nor do I understand why the hate against the Jewish people continues to this day. I admire how they will do what it takes to survive. I admire how the young have to do military service, thus the majority of their country can fight and protect their country. That certainly couldn't be said for the US. I watched their leader come out and send thoughts to the people of Joplin MO before our own President did.

I have noticed with the more radical sites that people seem to hate Israel. This is a persecution that has been carried on through time and it makes no sense to me. I personally do not think the Jewish race is the boogey man out to get me and my country.

Wow.. the whole "hate the jews" thing is stale, and false, and no serious thinking person takes this type of rotted rhetoric seriously. Everyone is just a person.. it's impossible to know every person who defines themselves as a "jew" well enough to "hate" them all..

If a nations actions resemble Nazi Germany.. does it matter which ancient tribe of blah blahs they belong to?.. supposedly we were all Apes 1st.. would it be appropriate to splatter a people with wet feces, with the excuse: "you just hate my Ape heritage!".. pretending it has nothing to do with being covered in Ape poo.

All that drama can be settled with a vote.. let those who live there decide, a region wide referendum to include all affected people regardless of borders.

Locals know better than any internet intellectual or mafioso politician what would result in peace.. should a fair vote erase one set of borders, dispatch one govt to histories trash bin.. so be the will of the people.

This will never happen of course.. the elite know Israel would lose miserably.. cant give up a big excuse for fear mongering, division, strife, nation welfare scams & military spending.

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 02:17 PM by UnaChispa

reply to post by beezzer

Definition of "STEAL"
1.
to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, especially secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch.
2.
to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment.
3.
to take, get, or win insidiously, surreptitiously, subtly, or by chance: He stole my girlfriend.
4.
to move, bring, convey, or put secretly or quietly; smuggle (usually followed by away, from, in, into, etc.): They stole the bicycle into the bedroom to surprise the child.
5.
Baseball . (of a base runner) to gain (a base) without the help of a walk or batted ball, as by running to it during the delivery of a pitch.

I rest my case.

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 02:21 PM by buster2010

Originally posted by Skewed
reply to post by buster2010

Well I certainly would not have posted my intentions on fb that I was going to attack.
A surprise attack is common strategy used by every military on the planet.

The real question is, was it an act of aggression or a preemptive strike.
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Seeing how these countries did nothing to them it was an act of aggression. When you attack a country that did nothing to you it's an act of aggression not defending like Israel is always claiming.

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 02:22 PM by 0zzymand0s

reply to post by AuntB

There is no "Jewish Race," there are only humans. I don't do business with anyone -- white, brown, black, jew who uses the word "race" to describe the people they are related to, unless they are talking about EVERYONE else.

It's just one of my silly little rules.

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reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 02:22 PM by beezzer

Originally posted by UnaChispa
reply to post by beezzer

Definition of "STEAL"
1.
to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, especially secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch.
2.
to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment.
3.
to take, get, or win insidiously, surreptitiously, subtly, or by chance: He stole my girlfriend.
4.
to move, bring, convey, or put secretly or quietly; smuggle (usually followed by away, from, in, into, etc.): They stole the bicycle into the bedroom to surprise the child.
5.
Baseball . (of a base runner) to gain (a base) without the help of a walk or batted ball, as by running to it during the delivery of a pitch.

I rest my case.

I'll ask you the same question then.

Gonna give it back to the indians?

I
Don't
Think
So.

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 02:27 PM by Swills

reply to post by beezzer

First of all, it was not us who took away this land from the Native Americans, it was the whiteman that hailed from the UK all those centuries ago. Maybe you should email the federal Gov't and ask them to give the land back, because only they can. Technically, the Gov't can do whatever they want with your land and my land and there's nothing we can do about it. It was a terrible thing that was done to them. Second, at least they were given compensation in the form of modern day casinos (woot), but that doesn't justify the damage the whiteman caused to them.

And look what happened, history was repeated again, by the whiteman. You'd think we would learn from our mistakes but it appears we only repeat them. Just because the whiteman did it to the Native Americans doesn't mean it's okay for the UN and Zionist to do it the Arabs. It's time to stop repeating history.

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reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 02:27 PM by Skewed

reply to post by buster2010

Is this opinion or fact?
Considering two terrorists states such as Jordan and Syria were signing agreements that would affect Israel. I see it as a preemptive strike. After all, since the 6 day war what exactly has changed in Syria and Jordan, not much. It seems as if Israel should have done a better job in the first place or they need to go back and do it again.

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 02:28 PM by UnaChispa

reply to post by beezzer

We should! But we won't because it is insurmountable. We were in the wrong for taking land from indigenous people, just like the Jews are wrong.

Please stay on topic.

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 02:29 PM by GovtFlu

Originally posted by Skewed
I like Israel, always have and have friends from there.

What I like most about Israel is that they do what they think is best for their country, and they do not necessarily do what others may wish or what others think they should do. They refuse to join the boys club and play by the "rules", which from what I can tell they stand on their own accord and belief system. I also like the fact that when they do something, they make no apologies for it either.

But what do I know.

Doublethink.. where "bad" behavior is also "good".

Many 1930s Germans felt the same way about the Nazi political party.. who certainly did what they thought was best fot their country, laws & rules be-damned. Not unlike the new neo-clown GOP/DNC amalgamation of fascism.. of which, Israel is a cog thereof.

Orwellian times indeed..

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 02:29 PM by beezzer

Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by beezzer

First of all, it was not us who took away this land from the Native Americans. It was a terrible thing that was done to them. Second, at least they were given compensation in the form of modern day casinos (woot), but that doesn't justify the damage the whiteman caused to them.

And look what happened, history was repeated again, by the whiteman. You'd think we would learn from our mistakes but it appears we only repeat them. Just because the whiteman did it to the Native Americans doesn't mean it's okay for the UN and Zionist to do it the Arabs. It's to stop repeating history.

Nice post but epic fail.

Its so easy to talk ympathetically when you're the victors, but playing the bleeding heart?

Kinda hypocritical.

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 02:31 PM by beezzer

Originally posted by UnaChispa
reply to post by beezzer

We should! But we won't because it is insurmountable. We were in the wrong for taking land from indigenous people, just like the Jews are wrong.

Please stay on topic.

I am.
Just pointing out hypocracy.

It's what I do

reply posted on 20-9-2011 @ 02:31 PM by buster2010

Originally posted by AuntB
I support and admire Israel 100%. I don't discuss it on here, nor do I understand why the hate against the Jewish people continues to this day. I admire how they will do what it takes to survive. I admire how the young have to do military service, thus the majority of their country can fight and protect their country. That certainly couldn't be said for the US. I watched their leader come out and send thoughts to the people of Joplin MO before our own President did.

I have noticed with the more radical sites that people seem to hate Israel. This is a persecution that has been carried on through time and it makes no sense to me. I personally do not think the Jewish race is the boogey man out to get me and my country.

Jews catch alot of flack for being stupid enough to allow their religion to be highjacked by the terrorist political party known as Zionism. It was stupid of them to allow the people that worked with Hitler to rise in power and take control of the country.