Am i the only one who supports Israel

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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by AuntB
nor do I understand why the hate against the Jewish people continues to this day. I admire how they will do what it takes to survive.


You people don't get it, do you? NO one hats the Jews. Get that already. In fact, a lot of Jews are against the acts and politics of the Israeli "government". It's the ideology of [extremist] Zionism that is the cause of all the issues over there. There was a video of Jews protesting, I think, in New York along with Palestinians and other supporters. The Jews looked quite traditional, long hair, smoking an a hat. Then another popped up, looking like the average Joe and insulting the "true" Jews and the other protestors heavily. It was posted somewhere here on ATS, can't find it right now.




posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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*whaa*

Some black folks are still screaming for reparations. You gonna tell them to shut up?

All Israel wants is to be left alone.


Too bad they shouldn't have stolen land that didn't belong to them.

They will get what they deserve and I won't bat an eye when it happens to them.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:32 PM
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Well would you want to live in Israel? no kidding most Jews live better elsewhere I for one would rather not live in constant fear so i can't blame the Jewish folks for not wanting to go to Israel.
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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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Enkites/Enlilites ALL family in the end, even if SOME dont get along here


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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by Kemal

Originally posted by AuntB
nor do I understand why the hate against the Jewish people continues to this day. I admire how they will do what it takes to survive.


You people don't get it, do you? NO one hats the Jews. Get that already. In fact, a lot of Jews are against the acts and politics of the Israeli "government". It's the ideology of [extremist] Zionism that is the cause of all the issues over there. There was a video of Jews protesting, I think, in New York along with Palestinians and other supporters. The Jews looked quite traditional, long hair, smoking an a hat. Then another popped up, looking like the average Joe and insulting the "true" Jews and the other protestors heavily. It was posted somewhere here on ATS, can't find it right now.


Exactly!

Jews have this ridiculous "EVERYONE HATES ME WAH WAH WAH" complex yet they fail to understand that we don't hate jews because they are jews; we don't like the actions of zionist israeli jews in israel.

As I said, archaological and anthropological evidence exists that prooves, without a shadow of a doubt, that israeli jews were not the first to inhabit palestine, it was the PALISTINIANS who were there FIRST.

I'd be bombing the # out of the invadors too if they came in, stole my land, bulldozed my homes, called me racial slurs, and denied humanitarian aid to me also.

This topic seriously pisses me off, because these israeli sympathizers never get it; we dont hate jews we hate israeli jews actions!



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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I support Israel but we need to stop giving aid.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by OpioidFreud

Originally posted by beezzer
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*whaa*

Some black folks are still screaming for reparations. You gonna tell them to shut up?

All Israel wants is to be left alone.


Too bad they shouldn't have stolen land that didn't belong to them.

They will get what they deserve and I won't bat an eye when it happens to them.

You American? Gonna give it back to the indians?

Thought not.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:38 PM
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And in fact they did not steal the land the UN drew the lines to form Israel so technically the UN stole the land and gave it to the Jews.


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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by Immune
As for the West bank and Gaza strip if i was Israel i wouldn't give them to the Palestinians the land was won in the 6 day war which they did not start to the victor goes the spoils


In response to this point I feel obliged to provide the following map.

This image charts the "growth" of Israel's borders from 1948 until this day. Notice the size of the West Bank, and Gaza Strip in the year 1967?



Notice the West Bank in particular has shrunk by more than 50% since the end of official conflict? That is not the spoils of war...that is theft at gunpoint.

Image from What Really Happened?



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:42 PM
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I like Israel, always have and have friends from there.

What I like most about Israel is that they do what they think is best for their country, and they do not necessarily do what others may wish or what others think they should do. They refuse to join the boys club and play by the "rules", which from what I can tell they stand on their own accord and belief system. I also like the fact that when they do something, they make no apologies for it either.

But what do I know.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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Just an FYI. . .

MYTH:
"The land of Israel is really the land of Palestine."



FACT:
The term "Palestine" is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century BC, settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what is now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century AD, after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word Filastin is derived from Latin. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.


MYTH:
"The Jews have no historic claim to Israel."


FACT:
Only one group of people have continuously lived in Israel for the past 3,700 years - the Jews. Jerusalem, in particular, has had a Jewish majority since the 1840s, 40 years prior to the beginnings of Zionism. Seventy-five percent of the land in east Jerusalem, which the press calls "historically Arab east Jerusalem," has been owned by Jews since 1947. The nations that inhabited the land prior to the Jews are no longer in existence, for they have been absorbed into various other peoples throughout the millennia. The Arabs of Israel only came to the land in 632 with the Muslim invasion.


MYTH:
"The creation of the state of Israel in 1948 changed political and border arrangements between independent states that had existed for centuries."


FACT:
The boundaries of most Middle East countries were arbitrarily fixed by the Western powers after Turkey was defeated in World War I and the French and British mandates were set up. The areas allotted to Israel under the UN Partition Plan had all been under the control of the Ottomans, who had ruled Palestine from 1517 until 1917. When Turkey was defeated in World War I, the French took over the area now known as Lebanon and Syria. The British assumed control of Palestine and Iraq. In 1926, the borders were redrawn and Lebanon was separated from Syria. Britain installed the Emir Faisal, who had been deposed by the French in Syria, as ruler of the new kingdom of Iraq. In 1922, the British created the emirate of Transjordan, which incorporated all of Palestine east of the Jordan River. This was done so that the Emir Abdullah, whose family had been defeated in tribal warfare in the Arabian peninsula, would have a kingdom to rule. None of the countries that border Israel became independent until this century. Many other Arab nations became independent after Israel.


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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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Read up on the 6 day war they won all that land with the blood of their troops when they were attacked THEY were attacked of course the lines have changed they have been attacked multiple times since their creation and every time they get attacked the land they earn they keep.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:46 PM
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The Battle of Jericho is an incident in Bible's Book of Joshua,(Joshua 6:1-27) the first battle of the Israelites during their conquest of Canaan. According to the narrative, the walls of Jericho fell after Joshua's Israelite army marched around the city blowing their trumpets.

The biblical account describes the Israelites being led by Joshua and crossing the Jordan into Canaan where they laid siege to the city of Jericho. There God spoke to Joshua telling him to march around the city once every day for six days with the seven priests carrying ram's horns in front of the ark. On the seventh day they were to march around the city seven times and the priests were to blow their ram's horns. This Joshua did, and he commanded his people not to give a war-cry until he told them to do so. On the seventh day, after marching around the city the seventh time, the priests sounded their ram's horns, and Joshua ordered the people to shout. The walls of the city collapsed, and the Israelites were able to charge straight into the city. The city was completely destroyed, and every man, woman, and child in it was killed. Only Rahab and her family were spared, because she had hidden the two spies sent by Joshua. After this Joshua burned the remains of the city and cursed any man who would rebuild the city of Jericho would do so at the cost of his firstborn son. It is generally accepted that the biblical date for the fall of the walls is the 28th of Nisan, according to the Hebrew calendar.[1]



They were told by Abramic GOD to take their land (IT WASNT CHARTED FROMA PLAN VIEW THOUGH)

In the 40th year after the Exodus from Egypt, Moses addressed the Israelites on the east side of the Jordan River, recounting the instructions that God had given them. When the Israelites were at Horeb — Mount Sinai — God told them that they had stayed long enough at that mountain, and it was time for them to make their way to the hill country of Canaan and take possession of the land that God swore to assign to their fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and their heirs after them.
en.wikipedia.org...:Judaism/Weekly_Torah_portion/Devarim


[color=gold]Who is the Abramic god earth family? (LORD ENLIL-ANNUNAKI)
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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by Immune
May 1948 Israel was formed to provide a "safe" place for Jewish people to call home within the boundaries of Ancient Israel.. Since being reformed in 1948 it was attacked in 1963 in which it destroyed Egypt, Jordan and Syria in 6 days. Then in 1973 they fought off both Egypt and Syria again and since 1978 they have been under constant terrorist attacks killing many of their men women and children.Every time they strike back at the ones attacking them they are called criminals and promptly judged the bad guys The Israeli people live in constant fear of attacks they are surrounded by countries who refuse to even acknowledge their existence as a state. The Palestinians have blatantly said when they achieve statehood they will throw every Jew out of their borders. Wouldn't everyone love to have a neighbor who openly is disgusted with your existence. As for the West bank and Gaza strip if i was Israel i wouldn't give them to the Palestinians the land was won in the 6 day war which they did not start to the victor goes the spoils if not the turkey needs to give back the land in Cyprus that they won in 1974. Israel is in a real bad place they attack the terrorist attacking them and they are the bad guys,they get attacked and they are still the bad guys keep up the fight Israel and stand firm don't negotiate with the terrorist.


Your history is one sided and missing major facts to continue to promote the idea that the state of Israel is an innocent victim who is always under constant attack from the bad bad Arabs.

Let's have a real, but brief (as brief as one can be one can be when trying to go over History on the internets), history of how the state of Israel was created.



Modern day State of Israel | Wikipedia


Israel declared independence on 14 May 1948 and neighboring Arab states invaded the next day. Since then, Israel has fought a series of wars with neighboring Arab states, and has occupied territories, including the West Bank, Sinai Peninsula, Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights, beyond those delineated in the 1949 Armistice Agreements. The border between Israel and the neighboring West Bank is not formally defined by the Israeli government, as a result of a complex and unresolved political situation. Israel has signed peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, but efforts by elements on both sides to solve the problem diplomatically have so far met with only limited success.




How was Israel created? | BBC


Before World War I, Palestine was a district ruled by the Turkish Ottoman Empire.

The Ottomans were defeated by Britain and her allies in the war.

After WWI, Britain took control of Palestine, but there was much trouble between the Arabs who lived there and Jews who wanted to live there too.

Jews have long historical and religious ties to the land dating back thousands of years. They believe it was promised to them by God.

In the early part of the 20th century thousands of Jews moved to the area before it became Israel to start new lives and set up new communities.

Many were escaping Europe and Russia as they were where they were being persecuted for being Jewish. Many more moved to Israel after the Holocaust, including from Arab countries.

After World War II, Britain decided to let the United Nations decide what to do with Palestine.



Nakba Day | Wikipedia


Nakba Day (Arabic: يوم النكبة Yawm an-Nakbah, meaning "day of the catastrophe") is an annual day of commemoration for the Palestinian people of the displacement that accompanied the creation of Israel in 1948.



During the 1948 Palestine War, an estimated 700,000 Palestinians were expelled or fled, and hundreds of Palestinian villages were depopulated and destroyed. The vast majority of Palestinian refugees, both those outside the 1949 armistice lines at the war's conclusion and those internally displaced, were barred by the newly declared state of Israel from returning to their homes or reclaiming their property. This dispossession and dispersal of the Palestinian people is known to them as al-Nakba, meaning "the castastrope," or "the disaster."


1948 Palestine War | Wikipedia


The 1948 Palestine war refers to the events in the British Mandate of Palestine between the United Nations vote on the partition plan on November 30, 1947,to the end of the first Arab-Israeli war on July 20, 1949.




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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:46 PM
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Continued...


War is divided into two phases:

* The 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine (sometimes called an "inter communal war") in which the Jewish and Arab communities of Palestine, supported by the Arab Liberation Army clashed, while the region was still fully under British rule.
* The 1948 Arab–Israeli War after May 15, 1948, marking the end of the British Mandate and the birth of Israel, in which Transjordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq attacked Israel and sent expeditionary forces into Palestine. In response, The newly formed Israeli army launched a series of offensives into areas allocated to the proposed Arab state.

At the issue of the war, the State of Israel kept most of the area that had been allocated by the UN General Assembly Resolution 181, which was accepted by the leaders of the Jewish community in Palestine, through the Jewish Agency but was rejected by leaders of the Arab community (the Palestine Arab Higher Committee etc.), who were supported in their rejection by the states of the Arab League. Israel also took control of almost 60% of the area allocated to the proposed Arab state, including the Jaffa, Lydda and Ramle area, Galilee, Negev, a strip along the Tel-Aviv-Jerusalem road and some territories in the West Bank. Transjordan took control of the remainder of the West Bank, putting it under military rule, and the Egyptian military took control of the Gaza Strip. No Arab Palestinian state was created.

Demographic changes occurred in the country. Between 600,000 and 760,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from the area that became Israel and became Palestinian refugees. On the other hand, around 10,000 Jews were forced to leave their homes in Palestine. In the three years following the war, about 700,000 Jews immigrated to Israel, residing mainly along the borders and in former Arab lands. Around 136,000 were some of the 250,000 displaced Jews of World War II. Around half were part of the 750,000 to 900,000 Jews who left or were expelled from Arab countries between 1948 and the Six-Day War.


Zionism and the British mandate | Wikipedia


Since the Diaspora, many Jews long aspired to return to "Zion" and the "Land of Israel", though the amount of effort that should be spent towards such an aim was a matter of dispute among Jews. The hopes and yearnings of Jews living in exile was articulated in the Hebrew Bible, and is an important theme of the Jewish belief system. After the Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492, some communities settled in Palestine. During the 16th century, Jewish communities struck roots in the Four Holy Cities—Jerusalem, Tiberias, Hebron, and Safed—and in 1697, Rabbi Yehuda Hachasid led a group of 1,500 Jews to Jerusalem. In the second half of the 18th century, Eastern European opponents of Hasidism, known as the Perushim, settled in Palestine.

The first wave of "modern" Jewish migration to Ottoman-ruled Palestine, known as the First Aliyah, began in 1881, as Jews fled pogroms in Eastern Europe. Although the Zionist movement already existed in theory, Austro-Hungarian journalist Theodor Herzl is credited with founding political Zionism, a movement which sought to establish a Jewish state in the Land of Israel, by elevating the Jewish Question to the international plane. In 1896, Herzl published Der Judenstaat (The State of the Jews), offering his vision of a future Jewish state; the following year he presided over the first World Zionist Congress.

The Second Aliyah (1904–14), began after the Kishinev pogrom; some 40,000 Jews settled in Palestine, although nearly half of them later left. Both the first and second waves of migrants were mainly Orthodox Jews, but those in the Second Aliyah included socialist groups who established the kibbutz movement. During World War I, British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour sent a letter that stated:


"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."


The Jewish Legion, a group of primarily of Zionist volunteers, assisted in the British conquest of Palestine in 1917. Arab opposition to British rule and Jewish immigration led to the 1920 Palestine riots and the formation of a Jewish militia known as the Haganah (meaning "The Defense" in Hebrew), from which the Irgun and Lehi, or Stern Gang, paramilitary groups later split off. In 1922, the League of Nations granted Britain a mandate over Palestine under terms similar to the Balfour Declaration. The population of the area at this time was predominantly Arab and Muslim, with Jews accounting for about 11% of the population.

The Third (1919–1923) and Fourth Aliyahs (1924–1929) brought an additional 100,000 Jews to Palestine. Finally, the rise of Nazism and the increasing persecution of Jews in the 1930s led to the Fifth Aliyah, with an influx of a quarter of a million Jews. This was a major cause of the Arab revolt of 1936–1939 and led the British to introduce restrictions on Jewish immigration to Palestine with the White Paper of 1939. With countries around the world turning away Jewish refugees fleeing the Holocaust, a clandestine movement known as Aliyah Bet was organized to bring Jews to Palestine. By the end of World War II, the Jewish population of Palestine had increased to 33% of the total population.




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posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Thank you for your input beezzer at least a few people see my and i am glad you brought research into this to quell the calls for my head on a pike



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:50 PM
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FYI I'm a Christian.

The Palestinians feel that Israel is in the wrong for stealing their land. I happen to agree with them. Just because those people are Jewish, does not make it right to uproot a people from their land because they claim it was gifted from God.

That is like someone else saying that a group of Catholics can go conquer The Vatican because it is theirs.

From my understanding, there is no evidence to support that the Jewish people are decedents from the ancient Israelites.

If the Jews wanted a safe haven, they should gone with the majority of their people to the US. There are more Jews in the US than there are in "Israel".

Understand that I am not anti-semetic. It sucks that every time someone is critical of Israel, they are labeled anti-semetic. They need to learn to take criticism. They act like their 5hit don't stink.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
Just an FYI. . .


More here
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Ah, and your source is some christian extremist website. Good stuff there buddy
"rapture ready"...frickin lunatics.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by Immune
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Thank you for your input beezzer at least a few people see my and i am glad you brought research into this to quell the calls for my head on a pike


Your new here, s'okay. Don't take it personally. I fell into that pit for a bit and almost gave up ATS. Some of your worst enemies here can (and will) be your best friends on the web.

So use facts, logic, common sense, and you'll be a star


We could use more people like that.



posted on Sep, 20 2011 @ 01:54 PM
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Most of the land Israel has was given to them from the UN or won in wars so either blame the UN for giving them the land or blame the Palestinians/Egyptian,Syrians and Jordanians for starting a fight in 1967 and losing





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