Need ATS help...simple question: Where did the BIG BANG happen???

Where did the BIG BANG happen???

OK, i know some of U are thinking that should be easy...

eg: just find the centre of the universe... and U would be in the general area...yes?

maybe a better question is : DID THE UNIVERSE EXIST BEFORE THE BIG BANG???

because what i am thinking is this...

if the universe DID NOT EXIST before the BIG BANG,

WHERE DID THE BIG BANG HAPPEN???

if the universe wasnt there, how can U point to a spot and say "there! thats where it happened"...???

+ conversely, if the universe DID exist before the BIG BANG,
then the BIG BANG aint really the beginning, right?

just thinking...


seeya

reply to post by shaneR


Chicken and Egg.
Who made God?
What's half of zero, or half of infinity?
If each atom is mostly space, and everything is made of atoms, why can't I walk through walls?

Science is incomplete, so insert the religion of your choice for further answers.

Neither time nor space existed before the big bang. It did not happen anywhere or at any specific time, as both time and space were created when it occurred.

It happened in ...eeeerrrrrrrrrrrrr......,

the centre of todays Universe.

23.5 cents

reply to post by getreadyalready


hi getreadyalready,
i wasnt trying to invoke GOD, although i do believe...


i am searching for the TRUTH,
+ thought ATS would provide good feedback...

seeya

reply to post by Nosred


hi Nosred,

thanks,

and not just time and space,

but ALL energy and matter, too...

quite an event...


seeya

reply to post by GEORGETHEGREEK


and it was just passing by,
and thought it would pop in...?

(END sarcasm...!)

seeya

Right over........(pointing up).....there. Hope that helps.



Seriously, you would probably have to ask an astrophysicist. I imagine if you could see which direction other galaxies are moving away from us you could trace the paths back to an origin point and given the distance and light travelled maybe have a good idea of where 'IT' happened.

Just going off of modern physics, in order to have an explosion it must occur within a medium. Without a space for an explosion to occur it would not be able to expand. Under that theory, something (whether a universe, bubble, etc) had to have housed the explosion.

But...

I believe we're finding that modern physics could be very much flawed, so anything and everything that could have happened is debatable.

reply to post by Springheel Jack


hi Jack,

i have seen a few
"maps of the universe" lately,

but NEVER a mention of "this is the middle",
or "this is where the BIG BANG happened..."

in know the obvious answer is : (if the universe is 14 billion light years across, for example)
u could say : it happened 7 billion light years from the edge...."

but thats not satisfactory...

seeya

reply to post by shaneR


ATS is the right place for truth-searching, and you might get some profound answers!

I was being sarcastic, because personally I do not believe there is an answer to your question. I believe your question stems from a false assumption that everything has a beginning and an end. I believe all religions are flawed, because they attempt to personify their Gods. I believe science is flawed, because it is limited to what we can observe and measure.

Maybe the truth does exist, try the Socratic method. Maybe you can reason out your answer with nothing more than a partner asking the right questions? Religion and Science are going to leave you still wondering I'm afraid.

reply to post by iamhobo


hi hobo,
thanks for that,

that is what i am getting at...

either the BIG BANG happened in this universe, or it happened somewhere else...

where is somewhere else?

seeya

"The Big Bang never happened, except in peoples Imagination.

Why do people love big bangs?

It is only a human interpretation....


Two things are involved...

a. The Observer.... LIFE
and
b. That being observed...... The Universe

The Brain and Eyes can't see or experience anything.... as they are both part of an experience.
In other words the Eyes and Brain are only Components of an Interface.

What is experiencing, is "Non Dimensional".

And what is being experienced is Manufactured through "Processing", inside what some refer to as the Soul which is a terminal of a larger construct, or perhaps we could call it the "Mainframe" LIFE produces the illusions through.

Here is a 100% Accurate Drawing of the Base "Partition Map" of the Souls Processing System.

Originally posted by Nosred
Neither time nor space existed before the big bang. It did not happen anywhere or at any specific time, as both time and space were created when it occurred.

edit on 13-9-2011 by Nosred because: (no reason given)

How is nothingness possible? And how can nothing create everything? .

Originally posted by shaneR
Where did the BIG BANG happen???

WHERE DID THE BIG BANG HAPPEN???

Everywhere.

Everywhere was just smaller then.

I think if we knew when we could pinpoint (no pun intended) how far away, based on the speed of light. But still we wouldn't which direction from Earth. And gosh darn if we sent teams on a mission in all directions to find the outer edges and then phone home, they'd be DOA.

reply to post by iamhobo


I think the Big Bang is also under intense scrutiny, because they have observed things that are not accelerating away from one another as the theory would require, but actually traveling toward one another. This would be impossible in a model with a central point of explosion.

But, I digress, because I think the whole discussion stems from false assumptions.

Human beings are extremely limited in our observation powers, and our reasoning powers. It is almost impossible to not make assumptions in our reasoning, and as long as we start with pre-conceived assumptions, then anywhere our reasoning goes will be flawed.

reply to post by shaneR


now brother...,

thats where it was in the first place.

(going along with the big bang theory here, not claiming its correct-i somewhat have a different view)

The funny thing is that you say it is a simple question, when no one actually knows the correct answer. Not me, Not Einstein. Not even Sheldon Cooper!!!.

reply to post by new_here


hi new here,

no matter how small, it was still a size...

so did that tiny size ( of space, or whatever it was),
"pre-exist", before the BIG BANG?

thanks

+ seeya

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