Parents of seven told: Your children are too fat, so you will never see them again

reply to post by petrus4


No it's only fitting if you want to be your own person then you survive on your own, away from social structures and support. If you want to be a member of a society then you must, at least one some level, conform to the expectations of the community at large.

I'm sorry if you think that's tyranny and I wish you all the best as a reclusive. You're not adding value to the community anyway if that's the case.

Why only this family? Why would this family be singled out? Is this common practice? Are ALL families with overweight children being treated this way? Are they removing ALL overweight children from their homes and placing all of them in Foster Care and/or putting them up for adoption OR are they just singling out this family to set an "example" and to inspire fear? Does anyone here have any answers based on fact?

This is my opinion ...
IMO, this story reeks of pedophilia and experimentation. This government agency plans to use the children for unthinkable reasons. "Officials" who would tear apart a family unit are also the very same people who would use the children for some sicko, twisted, self-serving purposes -- same mentality, same mindset.

Anyone with a conscience couldn't intentionally tear apart a family. A person with a conscience helps a family in distress -- they don't separate them from their loved ones.

Originally posted by Imhotepsol


I believe that we all need someone to look over us because at times we are incapable of seeing past our personal prejudices into the heart of a matter. In the case of the Obese parents overfeeding their kids, they are passing their ignorance onto their children, who'll pass it on and on et infinitum, until someone steps in. It is not necessarily the parents fault, but that does not detract from the fact, that by the evidence presented by their own parenting, they are simply unable or unwilling to properly raise their kids.

You move onto the eugenics arguement which is all to common amongst you libertarian / anarchist self direction types. Eugenics is a legitimate science that has real potential. Discarding the science because of the Nazis is like saying we should also do away with Banning of Vivisection, Animal Conservation, Welfare Programs, The Volkswagen or Modern Rocketry / Jet propulsion, because they all came from Nazi Germany too. Or perhaps we should reverse our modern position on smoking because again the Nazis discovered it.

Most striking, perhaps, is that Nazi scientists pioneered the world's most sophisticated tobacco health research, including the first case control epidemiological studies, concluding unequivocally (p < 1in 10 million) that tobacco was the major cause of lung cancer.

- Philippe Boucher. You're attempting to slander the legitimate by using a loaded emotional example. Again not a particularly encouraging sign of intelligence.

It's the same idea if some asshat assaults you and you need the police. But then again, whose right is it to tell him who he can and cannot assault or damage. I'm afraid this line of argument is incredibly shallow, surface level thinking.

Sorry,but Eugenics is a pseudoscience. Perceiving you might enhance the gene pool,you cannot determine it objectively.I think you really need to school yourself on it,if your going to argue it with me. Looks good on Paper,but whos to write the rules for everyone,YOU,or those who think like you? Fat chance my friend. Now that you have ventured into The realm of the Nazis,and claim that we benefited from them,I say BS on that also. I would give ANY advancements back,because they came with a price. Human life means more to me,then say,you? And no,im for freedom,and I dont even want a label like Libertarian,Anarchist,or any spin associated with the label you are trying to imply or stamp on me. Those in Britain have their own socialistic Government,they gave up, when they sold their rights,and freedoms, for a camera on every corner. How about common sense,in your argument? What is shallow is that you perceive things as good,because you have it good.Again,its not your children being yanked away because the Government says so. Sorry,but you need to read my signature........Peace,I am done with the banter. ...............

Welcome to the New World Order. We told you it was coming, and its here, the biggest mistake you can make is deny this fact.

reply to post by TRiPWiRE


Yeh, well that may be schools of today. I will reveal my age if I tell you when I went to High School

reply to post by Elldren


You know, in that Clan of The Cave Bear book, it is based on the real anthropological hunter/gatherer nomad tribes of our ancestors. It describes the nomads walking from one location to another, and apparently they covered many miles on a daily basis. It was survival. I believe walking is one of the best all round exercises. The book also mentions that the women would gather berries and herbs all along the way, hence the gatherer description. Today, we tend to drive wherever we go, and sit at desks and behind computers.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Oh, I wasn't looking for when, just what the school was trying to feed you.

It's something we've been involved in - trying to get local schools to offer a healthier option for lunches etc. I'm always interested to know what other schools have done - be that past or present.

Past can be just as interesting as it shows how eating habits have changed over a period of time. But please - I'm not after actual dates or anything here at all!

Good on them give these kids a change at being fit young active children doing what most kids are doing, out side running around playing. I know for a fact looking out of a window watching the the kids that were in my area playing killed me more then my Aunty taking me away from my parents to get me and my sister healthy again. I am so glad I had them. But it still was a bit late as I now have obese related health conditions now and have had most my life. If only my parents did the right thing and took my health serious I most likely would not be where i am to day health wise. So yeah I would call it child abuse and a burden on the health system for something that can be avoided.

Everyone's situation is different, If your child struggles to walk you must know there is a problem, if your child is breathing heavy all the time you must know there is a problem If your child can not walk up a flight of steps there is a problem.

If smokers are taxed and drinkers are taxed to help with the health burden on the healthcare system then we must tax obese people to help with the health burden that comes with being obese.

Originally posted by EvanB

Parents of seven told: Your children are too fat, so you will never see them again

www.dailymail.co.uk

Four obese children are on the brink of being permanently removed from their family by social workers after their parents failed to bring their weight under control. In the first case of its kind, their mother and father now face what they call the‘unbearable’ likelihood of never seeing them again. Their three daughters, aged 11, seven and one, and five-year-old son, will either be‘fostered without contact’ or adopted

(visit the link for the full news article)

i agree with this, i understand that some kids are fat, but some of the # that there mother and fathers feed them these days is #ing disgracfull, i have always been fat and i still am, as a 2 week old baby i was putting on a pound a week from my mothers milk(which is a lot of weight for a baby) but that dont excuse the fact while im still fat now, i know i have to work out a lot more than skinnier people to get thinner, # i know skinny people that dont work out and eat sugary sweets all day yet some of them stay skinny, and even though my diet is mostly vegtable and meat bassed EG not much concentrated suagar or too much fat (since im diabettic) im still fat, i bring it down to naturally fat people need to exersize more than naturally skinny people, and i can tell you why!!! becuase it just #ing life, hard, i know but we just have to deal with it, and tbh look at the size of that family it dont look like to many of that family are running around, god knows when the family went for a outing like a walk or a bike ride as a group, TBH they look like the shop for there food in the freezer section of the super market. i quote.

"despite the fact we’ve done everything to lose weight and meet their demands"

Rubbish im naturally fat, im 5ft tall and 17 stone (yes i am like a cube) and i lost 5 stone with running and eating just vegtables and fish for 4 months (that was a year ago) but the fact is they are lazy the mother looks like the only exersize she gets is walking to the super market, and trust me my mother makes the same excuse. And i qutoe agian.

"We have tried very hard to do everything that was asked of us. My wife has cooked healthy foods like home-made spaghetti bolognese and mince and potatoes; but nothing we’ve done has ever been enough"

was that mince rendered? or was the fat still on it? becuase TBH if i was going to loose weigth Spagetti (carbohidrate) and mince (which has fat on it with out being rendered) and potatoes which is more carbohydrate 2 types of carbohydrates in a meal is not heatly, let alone a balenced diet, they should cut out all carbs if they want to loose weight and as adults they should know that. TBH they should have proper diet trainning how to make balenced meals and how food is digested in the human body, and if they know that and there kids are loosing weight, then i agree, take the kids off there hands. Feeding a kids up is like giving drugs to some one it is a early grave, i hope one day fat people learn moderation and portion sizes becuase i admit i dont, but if it was for my kids then it would deffnatly be a diffrent story

There are better ways to deal with obese kids, and it starts with parent education.

This is outrageous... Child protective services need to focus their attentions to the children who are neglected and abused. It's very true that obesity is a serious problem for children as well as adults, but what's worse being overfed or being underfed? I think it's a simple choice. As for those who think these kids are better off in the system, you obviously know nothing about the quality of life afforded to those placed within it. People think it's such an easy fix to put kids in foster homes or even worse group homes or detention centers. These places are not an environment any child should be subjected to unless it's an absolute last resort. This whole thing is really bothering me as I worked in group homes for many years and the things I've seen and the backgrounds of the children I cared for will haunt me forever. I did the best I could with what I had, but the bottom line is exactly that... The bottom line. Here in California group homes have to be run by non-profits. Let me just say that there's no such thing as non-profit in reality. The large non-profit I worked for had executives making well over $100,000 salary per year plus a bonus, which they cleverly named "deferred compensation" to avoid certain taxes. There is big money being made at every level except at the bottom... The staff that do the hard work day in and out taking care of these kids. It's disgusting and there's much more going on that the public has no idea about.

reply to post by technologicalsingularity



To answer your question ...

Fear + food + lack of exercise makes us fat. It has little to do with socio-economics -- wealth or poverty. But, fear is almost always a component to obesity. In a nutshell, our built-in survival mechanism is this -- in times of stress, we naturally feel fear, whether we are being chased by a lion or our boss -- fear is fear. The basic, non-scientific theory -- fear signals our bodies to hold onto the fat and stores the fat in case of food shortages and famines. It is a known built-in survival mechanism.

IMO, the main reason why we see homeless people who are obese is because they are eating mostly high-carb foods and cheap junk foods -- lots of bread, rolls, crackers, pretzels, high-sodium-high-fat canned crap, candy and other assorted high-fat, empty calorie, non-nutritious quick and easily accessible, no need to prepare/cook junk-foods. The manufacturers have added some kind of crapola substance to these foods that screws with their metabolism and also actually makes the person want to eat more.

They are not living on fresh-squeezed organic juices, pure filtered water, lots of fresh organic fruits + veggies, non-sweetened yogurt, fresh organic egg salad, brown rice, fresh cracked walnuts & almonds, high-quality lean meats + baked organic chicken/turkey, fresh wild-caught broiled seafood, etc.. These foods are rarely "on sale", nor do they have regular access to them.

Plus, since they don't always fill you up, you have to eat a lot of these fresh organic foods to feel full, whereas cheap carbs fill you up longer.

As I mentioned, they are also living in fear. Many don't have emotional bonds with others or supportive, helpful families. Plus, people who are severely depressed, as well as living with daily fear, tend to lack the physical and spiritual energy/stamina necessary to have the desire to hike or walk or exercise ... and surely, they don't have a gym membership.

This article makes me so happy. Fat people are disgusting and letting your children become obese is equally disgusting. They are going to die younger anyways, either keep them fit or don't have them.

Originally posted by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien
The first time social workers have ever done anything right.
Good job

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These kids were heading to a life of disease and health risks involved with obesity.
Hopefully the kids lose their weight in the following year

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I bet they gain more due to the depression and trauma they put on these kids. At least the older ones who know what is going on. There is no guarantee these kids will loose weight once taken out of their parents care. They kids can retaliate in many different ways, especially since they know it is about their own weight. They could either not eat, become bulimic, and/or anorexic. That is just a few things. You want to talk about some serious problems that is worse than having some extra weight.

I'll be surprised if the kids turned out all right after this.

So what's next, fat adults in jail for being fat?

Look I don't think being over-weight is a good thing, but this is madness.

What would happen if they did this in the USA?

reply to post by Flyer

Good, making your kids fat is a form of child abuse.

and a star for your post.

If you want to keep your kids, teach them to eat properly instead of feeding them crap to keep them quiet.

Absolutely. Children don’t belong to their parents the same way property does. They are citizens with rights, and if those rights are being abused, then it is right to prevent the abusers from continuing with their evil ways.

Besides, it isn’t as if they hadn’t already been warned:

Warned that the children must slim or be placed in care, the family spent two years living in a council-funded ‘Big Brother’ house in which they were constantly supervised and the food they ate monitored.

But despite subjecting them to intense scrutiny, social workers did not impose rules on what food the children should eat, and there was apparently little or no improvement. OP source

reply to post by EvanB


Good.
It's called child abuse,
here is my thread on the topic Is junk food child abuse?

Originally posted by MrWendal
You know what troubles me most about this??

These are kids. Just because they are overweight now does not mean they will remain that way.

Wrong
From the age of about six until adolescence, we develop the total number of fat cells that we will carry for the rest of our lives. Overweight children start developing fat cells from about the age of two, thereby increasing their total fat cells along with the likelihood of obesity in later life. This is why it's crucial that your child is a normal weight in his or her early years.

Is junk food child abuse?

Originally posted by Jana12
This is my opinion ...
IMO, this story reeks of pedophilia and experimentation. This government agency plans to use the children for unthinkable reasons. "Officials" who would tear apart a family unit are also the very same people who would use the children for some sicko, twisted, self-serving purposes -- same mentality, same mindset.

Anyone with a conscience couldn't intentionally tear apart a family. A person with a conscience helps a family in distress -- they don't separate them from their loved ones.

Well lets not get ahead of ourselves here. I wont deny that there is clearly TPTB influencing certain aspects of our lives and our thoughts. But one must also realize that the UK is taking a hard stance on obesity and to be honest the way parents cause such negligence of health in some households IS ABUSE and the law is required to take actions becoming of the children's health.

They took it too far this time I agree but I do not believe experimentation is in the works.

Oh yes, the government should tell us exactly how to raise our kids. Hell, why not let the government take them from us at an early age so we don't taint them with our filthy ways. Only the glorious government knows what's best.

Really, what the hell? And I'm sure the kids of all the holier than thou people on here will love their strict diet and daily exercise regiment. No time to be a kid these days.

As I said, you're hardly the model of intelligence to enter into this debate with. But for the benefit of anyone else reading this I'll take the time to once again refute you, point by point.

a: Sorry,but Eugenics is a pseudo-science*. Perceiving you might enhance the gene pool,you cannot determine it objectively.I think you really need to school yourself on it,if you're going to argue it with me. Looks good on Paper,but whos to write the rules for everyone,YOU,or those who think like you? Fat chance my friend. *(corrections mine, for the sake of anyone else trying to read it.)

Although I'm not 100% sure what you're actually saying here (Perceiving you might enhance the gene pool,you cannot determine it objectively - makes no sense.) I think it boils down to there being no objective proof of Eugenics.

Eugenics is the "applied science or the bio-social movement which advocates the use of practices aimed at improving the genetic composition of a population", usually referring to human populations.[2] Eugenics was widely popular in the early decades of the 20th century.[3] By the mid-20th century eugenics had fallen into disfavor, having become associated with Nazi Germany. Both the public and some elements of the scientific community have associated eugenics with Nazi abuses, such as enforced "racial hygiene", human experimentation, and the extermination of "undesired" population groups. However, developments in genetic, genomic, and reproductive technologies at the end of the 20th century have raised many new questions and concerns about the meaning of eugenics and its ethical and moral status in the modern era, effectively creating a resurgence of interest in eugenics.

Source Wikipedia.

Firstly, eugenics works by the same rational cross breeding flowers works to create new characteristics or even hybrid species. It is much the same process at work in humans. In fact, we have found through DNA analysis that characteristics such as pre-disposition to violence and so on, are in fact passed on genetically. That does not mean that it will become a dominant characteristic, but the POTENTIAL, has been passed on. It could emerge in the child, or it could be passed down and later interact with another set of genes when your offspring reproduces that will cause the dormant trait to come into effect. In fact, recently they've even discovered that people who've received organs from people inherit some of the donors characteristics as well. Link

There is ample proof the concept of eugenics works. You just haven't got the intelligence to subdue your emotions long enough to look objectively at what this science is actually about. So excuse me if I don't take up your offer of further education just yet.

As for who decides, that's not up to me, you, or any one else, but society as a whole, and you, for all of your misplaced rage, do not represent the majority of it. Simple as. If decisions like this are to be made, then I am sure they will be made by educated and competent people as any society that is ready to embrace such knowledge should have progressed far enough to use it wisely. This is why it hasn't happened yet.

B: Fat chance my friend. Now that you have ventured into The realm of the Nazis,and claim that we benefited from them,I say BS on that also. I would give ANY advancements back,because they came with a price. Human life means more to me,then say,you?

Again little sense from this "argument." Well then, never travel in a plane again, go out in support of hunting animals into extinction, if you get sick go die impoverished in a corner, never claim welfare or disability if you're in need and most importantly, never ask for these rights for your family. If you do then you're a hypocrite and shouldn't bother replying. If you enjoy the fruits then you have consented to the actions that brought them about. But of course you'll have some line of B.S concerning that.

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