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Parents of seven told: Your children are too fat, so you will never see them again

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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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There's nothing being said about that. But if I was an alcoholic that neglected my kids then I would deserve to have them removed from me without recourse to complaint.

They are not saying "hey, your kids a bit chubby there, he's off to the state fat farm", they're talking about children, whose parents are not intelligent enough to raise them healthy and happy. Obese is the word, not overweight. It is sickening to me to see obese children and yes I do look down my nose at the people raising them. The same way I look down my nose at the people who take their kids to McDonalds, KFC or Burger King all of the time. It's lazy, its damaging an innocent child's chance at a healthy life.

If an adult decides to eat themselves to death, then hides behind this ridiculous "its an addiction card" america has exported as the solution to the worlds problems, that's not my concern. They do not deserve a free ride for a willing choice they made.

If you think I'm saying that because I'm some clean living person you'd be wrong. I'm a smoker, both herb and tobacco. I wouldn't expect a lung transplant or any level of special treatment when one day I get cancer. It was my decision to take the actions that cause it, therefore I have to live with the consequences.

No one has a right to tell you what to do with your own life, as an adult. If you are responsible for children then society has the right to ensure you are providing accordingly for them.


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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:12 PM
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Environment? For god sakes, where are the obese people in famine ridden countries? I mean if its a disease or genetic there should be some, but there's not.

Being fat and going beyond fat into obese is a choice. You have to choose to stuff that 5000gs of cream down your throat, you have to have stretched your stomach to accommodate enough food to feed 5 normal people. Obesity and fatness are symptoms of laziness or depression. I don't give a flying **** if you cannot deal with your hunger pangs, if you haven't the self control to stop because of some underlying psychological trauma, it still boils down to a decision that you have to make.

Are you going to eat yourself to death or are you going to eat a moderate amount and be healthy. That's really all there is to it.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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I think one thing that is playing into all this is the attitude that some people have - they did a study of women and of 1000 women 54% said they would rather be RAN OVER BY A TRUCK than to be OBESE.

What the????

Being fat does not AUTOMATICALLY make you sicker.
It's NOT an if then, then that. Study after study has SHOWN that obese people CAN be healthy. At 44 I'm overweight, after being really skinny as a child. My b/p and everything are great. My dad has always ran and been a fanatic about maintaining his weight perfectly and he's the one with all the problems. There's no freaking guarantees in life! Everyone is GOING to die, and usually dying involves health problems, as does AGING and our population is AGING.

But it's obviouos that if 54% of women would rather be ran over by a truck than to be fat, then people are not really considering the science, or thinking logically. Instead they are using it as an EXCUSE to justify their fear.

FEAR OF FAT. Oh boo hoo, nobody wants me, I'm not pretty, NO body wants me, I'm not sexy. No body wants me, no body wants you, people will judge you, people will judge me, people will hurt my feelings, people will hurt your feelings, people will ridicule you, people will stigmatize you.

The problem is not fat, the problem is PEOPLE. Superficial, scared to death, monkey see, monkey do, want it to be like on tv - PEOPLE.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:17 PM
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Again that's all conjecture without any fact.

They are not taking my kids away because I am a member here. It is wrong for you to suggest that its a comparable situation.

It is not a matter of not being able to keep weight off kids, it's a matter of obesity. I know that the majority of America is already there but that doesn't normalise it sorry.

Here is the difference between obese and fat. Link if you still think it's okay for children to be left with parents who'd subject them to that then I wouldn't be arguing with anyone who wants to take your kids away.

I mean, is everyone okay with this because its based on food? What if the kid was drinking to alcoholism, taking drugs until they develop crippling addiction? Would that be okay? And further more, if these children are allowed to get this far and never have to develop restraint in appetite or anything else for that matter what kind of people do you think they will grow to be? Useful productive members of a society, or a fat lay-about that have to have walls cut down so they can be removed to be taken to hospital.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:19 PM
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Yet, despite what you say about food, the majority of parents manage to feed their children and keep them relatively healthy.

It's absurd to even compare far from perfect fruit and vegetables with junk food, such as chips, burgers, crisps, etc.

Besides, if anyone is unhappy with the fruit and vegetables which they get from the supermarket, then there is always the revolutionary option of growing your own.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:24 PM
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Not really. I enjoy being of athletic build. I work hard for that. I don't enjoy (for instance), an obese person encroaching on my space on an aeroplane flight. I don't enjoy fast food advertising being blasted at me every 5 minutes and then walking past one to see it filled to capacity with people clutching handfuls of burgers and chips (sorry, "fries!").

The data is there to show being obese IS bad for you. Just because someone smokes and jogs every day doesn't mean their body is not yielding to the bad effects of cigarettes. It’s going to happen somehow. Why not just become healthier within your life and help reduce the possibility of dire consequences later on? Sure, I could drop dead from something – but I’ll go out of my way to try and ensure I reduce any chances of the obvious occurring.

I have no interest in quasi Hollywood "gods". They can jump in the lake for all I care. Too much importance is placed on someone just because they are in a movie or sing songs. Big deal. They are still just people. But you raise a good point. People ARE swayed too much by what they think they should look like. It saddens me to see people (usually younger teens but it can apply to everyone), who blindly believe that is how they should appear in order to be popular or whatever. I’m not religious but to quote “worshipping false idols” has relevance to this situation as far as I’m concerned.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by EvanB
When the state can dictate what I can and cannot eat, take my kids away then it has become too powefull and needs to be taken down.

If the government are that bothered about junk food why dont thry make healthy food more affordable? Because it sooo fricken is not! It costs a bloody fortune and if you are on a low income you have to get what you can afford!

What about the council tax penalties too when you try and grow your own??

If they really was that bothered about junk food then they should ban it.

I cant see them banning maccy d's soon though.


Yes, you are absolutely right. I love a trip to the whole foods store but everything is more expensive. It is a budget buster.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:27 PM
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Oh yeah and as for your out of wedlock kids. I was one, one of the last generation of them to be raised brutally in Ireland. I was removed from my mother and placed with her Parents, and didn't find out until years later.

I was also left handed, so my earliest memories are of a Priest calling me evil and my arm being broken. So yeah I would have happily been taken away from them.

Your argument is still moot.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
People need to understand that children aren't property; you don't own your children.

Consequently, the upbringing of your children is relevant to everybody in the society in which the children are raised in.

In fact, society only leaves the biological parents to raise their children as a matter of convenience. There is nothing to suggest that any genetic relationship between parents and child is a necessity in the child's upbringing.

If parents are persistently feeding their obese children junk food, despite warnings to the contrary, then measures need to be taken by society to protect these children from this parental neglect/abuse.

The way that the facts of this story are reported makes it sound harsh on the family ( and it may well be ), but the story emanates from the Daily Fail, so I'd be willing to place a sizeable bet on the fact that they left out some pertinent information to this story, because the way that they reported it will have suitably appealed to/outraged their general readership.



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You dont' own your children, and neither does the State. Parents are the natural guardians of their children, not the State.
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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:32 PM
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well my point was that you shouldnt promote eugenics , but i agree being too fat and not caring while you chilren go the same way is unacceptable for the children.

but being part of a culture which almost worships food and all to do with it ; how many tv shows about food etc ; it is not surprising that half the world have become natural born food abusers while the half we dont mention much almost starves to death.

but we dont know all the facts. they could have a genetic disorder causing them to be fat . as i have said on other posts the quantity of nutrition available does not equat with the quality which comes from expense and searching. they are part of a culture where the supermarket rules the whole world not just us our side of it. of course they are going to eat and maybe dont know when to stop . they are trained as consumers like so many . also trained as ingrates to god are they but we wont go there. put wrongs to rights> that is correct action .
adding wrongs to punish wrong behavioiurs > that is not correct action which casues a spiral of abuse > into being forced



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by TRiPWiRE
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I don't enjoy fast food advertising being blasted at me every 5 minutes and then walking past one to see it filled to capacity with people clutching handfuls of burgers and chips (sorry, "fries!").




for saying what we were all thinking. That's the exact image I get when I see those people in fast food chains. Literally shovelling handfuls of chips and bits of burger into their mouths at the same time. Ugh, it's disgusting.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by SangriaRed
You're right people do care about the well being of a child and with the health care the way it is then there is a responsibility....etc.

SO
On that note, then it is the govt. responsibility to go to each and every family's home to make darned well sure that:
a) there are no cigarettes in the home


This is the only one of the group to actually parallel what we are talking about, but only indirectly. Food and activity are direct, so it's only slightly akin.


b) the alcohol being consumed is no more than one a day (depending on the genetics of the family members drinking)
c) there are no illicit drugs in the home
d) the parents have taken reasonable measures to safeguard their home.


These are already important and if there is a reported problem or police record than the level of scrutiny is going to be higher yes.


Otherwise:
It's called targeting "fat" people because they "obviously" are unhealthy.


Personally I feel fat people should be targeted a bit more. Not by any kind of government, but at least by social culture. In America, there is some kind of movement to make being fat into something to be proud of or to make a funny joke about like it's cool. It's neither.

In any case, I clearly wasn't advocating government action and said as much. I was simply pointing out the truth of the matter. Obese people are more of a drain on a national healthcare system, the issues parents that create fat children hoist on their children (for life more often than not), and that it is pretty easy to hold the position that it's abusive.

So, that said, your reply is a bit off the mark.

Peace
KJ



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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don't tell me you lost all that weight when you became an independent adult with the free will to control your future!

i'm sorry but this is my stance on the matter, forcing your children to eat obsurd amounts of food, is extreme child abuse your setting your childs future to having prolonged health problems such as early acute heart disease,asthma, diabetes, liver and kidney issues, severe childbirth threat every single obese mother to be is consultant lead due to the extreme risk of death to either the baby or mother, FACT!, sexual dyfunction to name a few......., potential bullying and an early death, all because YOU thought it was good to stuff YOUR kid with food everytime they cried for ATTENTION. this is called poor parenthood. wake up!

this isnt some horrible gov program, it's called preventing a child from unwanted suffering, it is child abuse and the silent abuse of children in society. just because your fat doesnt mean its ok to make your kid the same as you! you should know better, but i guess theres a class of society that just never learns.

harsh truth, but there's no other way to put it politely i'm afraid.

prove me wrong! this is probably the one single thing the big brother has good reason to interviene on, it's a good thing.
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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by ZIPMATT
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but we dont know all the facts. they could have a genetic disorder causing them to be fat . as i have said on other posts the quantity of nutrition available does not equat with the quality which comes from expense and searching. they are part of a culture where the supermarket rules the whole world not just us our side of it. of course they are going to eat and maybe dont know when to stop . they are trained as consumers like so many . also trained as ingrates to god are they but we wont go there. put wrongs to rights> that is correct action .
adding wrongs to punish wrong behavioiurs > that is not correct action which casues a spiral of abuse > into being forced


So where are the fat people in famine ravaged countries then? You can't answer that because there is none. The closest thing they have to fat, is the belly bloat, as their stomach slowly digests itself. The gasses that build up cause the pot belly.

Also I support eugenics. I believe that it is necessary for us to try and increase the calibre of every generation and if we have moved to a point where we have the intelligence to do that, we should. It would cause little harm that instead of another 50cent, snookie, Kardashian or whatever facile waste of a human life will come along that we attempt cultivate the right biology and right environment to produce another Einstein or Hawking.

The breeding culture we have today, coupled with this false sense of entitlement most people seem to have means that today for every one child born into a stable environment there are perhaps another 100 that are being born to irresponsible retards. If we had stricter control regarding the raising of children then those people who are either too stupid or lazy will either not bother, or have to improve themselves before they are allowed. There is nothing wrong with that.

Do you really think that in a world of 4 billion people that we can just go on with "hey I have sperm lets use it"? It is a sad fact of our time that we have to admit that no, its no longer our choice any more. I would be surprised it we didn't see more of this type of policing over the coming years as resources become more strained and hunger (not the I ate 10 minutes ago, but I'm fat so I need to eat again, but real hunger) becomes rampant.

It will not be possible to allow fat people to continue to consume a disproportionate amount of resources. It's not fair. Every fat person is directly responsible for the the death by starvation of someone else. Just because we have a monetised way of obtaining food that removes direct interaction, nether the less, because they have taken more they have deprived someone else. Simple as.
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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Well, if you smack your kids butt with a belt, it hurts for a bit, and then the bruises goes away. No permanent damage. This is child abuse.

You feed your kid like a cattle you want to slaughter. You are probably as fat as they are. They are non social, and have very serious problems that could last a lifetime. How is the first child abuse, but the latter not?

A "free" country stops when you cause children damage. Smacking a kid is abuse, but causing them diabetes, other major physical issues, and mental issues from being a social outcast is not?


I was in an unnamed department store today. Half the kids I saw where round.. fat.. out of shape and probably in danger of diabetes among other serious physical problems. This is abuse folks. Either they should revise the prior, or the latter version. Either smacking your kid with a belt is "ok," or fattening them up like pig going to slaughter is not. Pick one.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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it is not absurd to compare so called fresh fruit and vegetables with junk. most of them are grown in countries where pesticides regulations do not even exist, and almost all go through irradiation to keep them looking and feeling 'fresh' . they were harvested weeks ago and remain ridgidly firm because the previously complex chains of organic compounds have been 'frozen' into nonexistence by microwaves.

growing your own will tell you that ; certain nutritional books do also. really fresh food, as in home grown without processing of any kind would not be saleable beyond a day or two at most on a supermarket shelf .
lettuces staying firm in the fridge for weeks? that is simply unheard of in the world of producing real food.
they are eating junk, no matter where they look. there is no reason to single out burgers or chips as junk



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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Was about to say something, then Is aw it was England. Sorry, England is a democratic socialist state. They have all the right in the world to do this.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by Imhotepsol

Originally posted by TRiPWiRE
reply to post by hadriana
 

I don't enjoy fast food advertising being blasted at me every 5 minutes and then walking past one to see it filled to capacity with people clutching handfuls of burgers and chips (sorry, "fries!").




for saying what we were all thinking. That's the exact image I get when I see those people in fast food chains. Literally shovelling handfuls of chips and bits of burger into their mouths at the same time. Ugh, it's disgusting.


It sure beat the horrid school lunches we had when I was in public schools. We would walk to the nearest Burger King and we loved it.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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mean, is everyone okay with this because its based on food? What if the kid was drinking to alcoholism, taking drugs until they develop crippling addiction?


Last time I checked, underaged eating is not illegal in mostly any country. On the other hand drinking alcohol by a baby can literally kill that child or kill the child's brain cells. Also, where do you stand on aspartame? I know that that substance should really be banned everywhere. I am against totalitarianism but if you want to protect pubic health, then why not lobby against the neurotoxin aspartame?



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
Obese kids face all kinds of problems.

Yes, take them away - give them a life.

My son lived here in NZ with me - then he went to Greece with his father and became obese - because his Greek grandmother fed him too much.

You are not loving someone by feeding them too much.


you got to be kidding right?

so all the fat maori/samoan....families should have their kids taken away from them as well? so basically any fat kiwi family who still eats fish'n chips should be broken up?

seriously...just because you can't keep your family together does not mean every family should be broken up.



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