Parents of seven told: Your children are too fat, so you will never see them again

reply to post by Imhotepsol


This is what I have to say to you

www.waragainsttheweak.com...


And groups don't make decisions. People do.

Originally posted by Basilis
Oh yes, the government should tell us exactly how to raise our kids. Hell, why not let the government take them from us at an early age so we don't taint them with our filthy ways. Only the glorious government knows what's best.

Really, what the hell? And I'm sure the kids of all the holier than thou people on here will love their strict diet and daily exercise regiment. No time to be a kid these days.

I can feel what you are saying but understand that these weren't husky children these were "Obese" children. It is dangerously unhealthy for them to be that way and it makes them walking medical time-bombs.

The government took it a step to far but they need to have SOME standards for obesity unless those poor children end up dying an early death from their weight.

C: I dont even want a label like Libertarian,Anarchist,or any spin associated with the label you are trying to imply or stamp on me. Those in Britain have their own socialistic Government,they gave up, when they sold their rights,and freedoms, for a camera on every corner. How about common sense,in your argument? What is shallow is that you perceive things as good,because you have it good.Again,its not your children being yanked away because the Government says so.

People who have nothing to hide have nothing to be concerned about CCTV surveillance. My girlfriend was nearly attacked in the city and if it hadn't been for a cop on the CCTV sending a patrol immediately she could have been in trouble. I wonder more why you're so against it, what precisely are you trying to hide that CCTV makes you feel so uncomfortable, or have you just been spending too much time in your tinfoil hat?

If you took the trouble to read my previous messages on this thread you would know that I didn't 'have it good', as you put it. I did everything on my own, I educated myself and I am where I am today because of my own effort. I perceive these things as being necessary because I, more than you, know first hand the level of evil people are capable of and my only concern is the ignorance and stupidity of people that underpins it. As I said, if you are incapable of restraining your own emotions you do not have any real capacity for intelligence because emotion will always cloud and taint everything you see. But of course ignorant people cannot see that.

Lastly, though I do not have children and do not intend to have any because I believe that I am not good enough to reproduce, if I did, I would ensure that I have financial and emotional security to offer them so the state would not be an issue for me. People who overfeed their kids into obesity, let them f*uck around, take drugs, or do whatever they like haven't even considered that, they just feel like having sex and don't really give a damn about the kids. So they don't provide every advantage they could have, they don't improve themselves so as to be better influences in their children's lives. They're generally more concerned with regaining their freedom or the life they enjoyed before the kid. They end up suffering when they kids come along and so they take it out on them. It's a story as old as families.

So just perhaps its time to try something else. If state intercession doesn't work, we'll try something else. The point is, it won't be me or you driving this, it will be the needs of the society at large that determine what actions we'll take. We will act upon the things we see as hindering our society in an effort to improve it for every one, just as we have always done. Your ranting, my arguments, these forums, none will have any ultimate bearing on what is to come.

In the mean time you could try stepping outside of the little square box you've drawn round yourself and actually look at some of these ideas in a detached, more enlightened, approach before going off on another emotional diatribe again.

Namaste.

double post.

reply to post by Oclomat


I'm sorry, but I know a friend who lived in a foster home at a young age. It was very emotionally scarring for her, so I can't rightly agree with what they're doing. And I was very chubby when I was 12, but I grew out of it. I suppose if they grow out of their unacceptable fatness it's because of the excellent intervention of the government, eh? Then I assume we'll see this a lot more often.

And please excuse me if I seem angry, this just is a sensitive spot for me.

Originally posted by Basilis
reply to post by Oclomat

 

I'm sorry, but I know a friend who lived in a foster home at a young age. It was very emotionally scarring for her, so I can't rightly agree with what they're doing. And I was very chubby when I was 12, but I grew out of it. I suppose if they grow out of their unacceptable fatness it's because of the excellent intervention of the government, eh? Then I assume we'll see this a lot more often.

And please excuse me if I seem angry, this just is a sensitive spot for me.

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I would like to point out once more that these children aren't fat but have stepped into "Obese".

Foster homes are beyond what is required and I agree they are traumatizing but obesity is a dangerous medical condition and can be considerably deadly if not handled or regulated.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Really that's the best you can do?

I don't care if the Nazis experimented with eugenics, or twisted its practices to suit their agenda. That is not what eugenics is about, it is what the f*ked up Nazis were about. I'm not going to ignore an entire field of potentially beneficial research because of a few random nut jobs.

Your arguements smacks of the same moronic logic the church has used to stop stem cell research, cloning and a host of other medical advances for so long.

I refuse to live in the darkness of ignorance so a few un-enlightened people can feel safe.

Originally posted by Imhotepsol
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Really that's the best you can do?

I don't care if the Nazis experimented with eugenics, or twisted its practices to suit their agenda. That is not what eugenics is about, it is what the f*ked up Nazis were about. I'm not going to ignore an entire field of potentially beneficial research because of a few random nut jobs.

Your arguements smacks of the same moronic logic the church has used to stop stem cell research, cloning and a host of other medical advances for so long.

I refuse to live in the darkness of ignorance so a few un-enlightened people can feel safe.

Certainly the medical and scientific applications of such technology would be brilliantly helpful to our society yet we can't forget that all it would take for a calamity to occur would be a small lapse in regulation.

reply to post by Oclomat


Are we going by the BMI obesity? Because I believe when I was 12 I was considered obese by that because I was short and fat. 3 years later I grew to about 6ft and was no longer considered obese by it even though I weighed roughly the same weight. Now I'm about 6'4 and considered 'normal' weight according to the bmi.

reply to post by Oclomat


Thank the Gods a rational response.

You're perfectly correct. It would be a grave mistake to forget our past but that doesn't mean we should destroy the future.

Originally posted by Basilis
reply to post by Oclomat

 

Are we going by the BMI obesity? Because I believe when I was 12 I was considered obese by that because I was short and fat. 3 years later I grew to about 6ft and was no longer considered obese by it even though I weighed roughly the same weight. Now I'm about 6'4 and considered 'normal' weight according to the bmi.

I have no doubt your claims are valid but this is clearly not the case for these abducted youngsters as otherwise we would hear about this type of thing more often.

No doubt the type of obesity be are dealing with here isn't your generic Chunk from the Goonies rather we are talking more along the lines of medically anomalous as far as the public at large goes.

To be honest if these parents let their health situation get that poorly they need to be regulated (ALTHOUGH NOT REMOVED FROM THE CHILD'S LIFE LIKE THESE FOOLS DID) by a third party lest the children enter a worse condition.

reply to post by Imhotepsol
The wonders of cloning technology would be a divine help to create organs and appendages for those who need it, however the theistic viewpoints on such technology can be useful as it does provide some perspective on the more risque uses for that technology (I.E. Cloning whole people)

reply to post by Oclomat


I understand your point, although I looked at the pictures in the link and they didn't seem too awfully obese. I was luckily graced with a distaste for sweets, and parents who liked to cook homemade dinner, so that helped a bit.

But I feel as though you give them an inch when deciding how you run your life and they'll take your foot. I don't know, maybe forcing the kids to participate in an after school activity or something would be the right thing to do, rather than dictating what they can eat in their own home.

reply to post by Basilis


Yes I agree as well.

I find their excessive use of law disturbing but I assume that when medically examined we would find their (The children's) health in a state worse than meets the eye.

Maybe it's just my naivety but I still trust the government that much.

reply to post by Oclomat


Whist I agree that science needs morality to temper its enthusiasm I do not feel it is correct for any religion to have that right. Luckily it's beginning to look like science is discovering its own spirituality, by revealing the interconnection of all matter on the quantum level.

This is a true and objective spirituality not tempered by the moral codes of sister and mother raping homophobes from a few thousand years ago and it is my sincere hope that we recover a natural morality by increasing our understanding of actual reality, not just the emotional lining we give it.

Originally posted by Imhotepsol
reply to post by Oclomat

 

Whist I agree that science needs morality to temper its enthusiasm I do not feel it is correct for any religion to have that right. Luckily it's beginning to look like science is discovering its own spiritualism, by revealing the interconnection of all matter on the quantum level.

This is a true and objective spirituality not tempered by the moral codes of sister and mother raping homophobes from a few thousand years ago and it is my sincere hope that we recover a natural morality by increasing our understanding of actual reality, not just the emotional lining we give it.

Theism deserves some respect, after all at its least literal level it is a good lifestyle to guide for the goodness in human hearts.

And yes the beauty of scientific spiritualism is finally connecting the metaphysical dots between the great invisible forces in our universe.

Do you all think that the food provided to foster/group home kids is any better than what they get at home? LMFAO..... They get fed what is CHEAP and EASY... They are not required to utilize a nutrionalist, they only have to post a weekly menu, which can include pretty much whatever the home wants to serve. Putting these kids into the system will do MORE HARM than good! You guys don't know what you're talking about AT ALL. If any of you think kids in the system are being fed organic wholesome properly balanced meals then you're delusional. This is a BUSINESS hiding behind people's misinformed ideas of what "non-profit" means.

Another issue that arises when you start yanking kids out of families and inserting them into the system is they will be psychologically evaluated, put on meds and BRANDED with a mental health diagnosis for the rest of their lives. I've seen this happen more times than my heart cares to remember... It's a tragedy, and it has long term consequences for BOTH society and the CHILD.

reply to post by Oclomat


Your first point is very interesting.

The way churches, or religions, were established was to have an outer school and an inner or esoteric circle. The outer church, as you stated, pushed theism for people who were unable to grasp the actual metaphysical concepts that were being imparted. So the Priests dressed the teaching up as gods and goddesses as a means to make some of the teaching more accessible to people, whilst also instilling in them a fear of retribution should they ignore them.

The inner circle, was then as it is now, populated by the seers and the visionaries, those capable of reaching the exalted and rarefied states of consciousness required to actually experience the truths instead of relying on the dead letters and threats of divine punishment.

Originally posted by SilverStarGazer
Do you all think that the food provided to foster/group home kids is any better than what they get at home? LMFAO..... They get fed what is CHEAP and EASY... They are not required to utilize a nutrionalist, they only have to post a weekly menu, which can include pretty much whatever the home wants to serve. Putting these kids into the system will do MORE HARM than good! You guys don't know what you're talking about AT ALL. If any of you think kids in the system are being fed organic wholesome properly balance meals then you're delusional. This is a BUSINESS hiding behind people's misinformed ideas of what "non-profit" means.

What I think is that you have not been reading what several people have posted.

Most of us are not agreeing with all this flexing the law is doing, however we recognize that there is a problem when children are becoming dangerously unhealthy.

Certainly foster homes are NOT the solution but the government needs to stop this gross abuse (And I am willing to say that this is child abuse categorized under neglect.) of children.

Originally posted by Imhotepsol
reply to post by Oclomat

 

Your first point is very interesting.

The way churches, or religions, were established was to have an outer school and an inner or esoteric circle. The outer church, as you stated, pushed theism for people who were unable to grasp the actual metaphysical concepts that were being imparted. So the Priests dressed the teaching up as gods and goddesses as a means to make some of the teaching more accessible to people, whilst also instilling in them a fear of retribution should they ignore them.

The inner circle, was then as it is now, populated by the seers and the visionaries, those capable of reaching the exalted and rarefied states of consciousness required to actually experience the truths instead of relying on the dead letters and threats of divine punishment.

Yes I believe that while religions could be used for great ignorance and harm (The crusades comes to mind) that when taken at its most base level it is used for people to have something to believe in and as a tool to do good.

The inner circle is interesting to consider because as you said there are those who are truly altruistic people guiding humanity to a better life, there also those who would abuse such power to manipulate those masses into negative beliefs (Westboro Church is one that pops to mind as well as members of the Vatican who abuse children)

And if one examines the old text about retribution like you said the thought of a majestically powerful god who can strike you down was used as a form of comfort to those who do well and a form of cosmic karma for those who acknowledge it.