Parents of seven told: Your children are too fat, so you will never see them again

reply to post by ZIPMATT

perhaps the reason the family were observed under curfew for 2 years while NOT being educated about what they should eat for 2 years , was to help set this precedence.

This is part of what stuns me.
When I read the article what I took away from it was that during the time of their wonderful supervision, things did NOT get better.
Now, how on earth does that make sense?
Shouldn't the entire point of that supervision time period be to HELP the family???
If the money can be provided to put people on the case this entire time, you're telling me that they couldn't put a trainer with them?A dietician? Someone that would help them change their lifestyle?

The whole thing really stinks of the govt wanting MORE say in how people live their lives and they're targeting overweight people, for now>
And the reason people are so infuriated has shown up in this thread> People don't like overweight/fat/porky people who stuff their mouths with junk food.

But if the same govt turned around and started yanking those kids away for any other reason, then there would be an uproar.

Wonder what the people who are calling it, the social services removing the children, a good thing do if the number of such "ineligible" parents exceeds the "eligible" parents and these children all become wards of the state. Would they then endorse licenses to bear children through perhaps mandatory but reversible sterilisation of all people when they reach puberty, with only those deemed "eligible" parents being allowed to reverse the sterilisation process? Perhaps if the "eligible" parents are getting fewer and fewer they may be manadated by the state to have a number of kids as determined by the state as optimum, so that the society doesn't die off for lack of "eligible" parents to raise the next generation?

Or perhaps a 'Brave New World' where all children are raised communally and "eligibility" of parents is moot because only those trained in child care will be taking care of these children and not their biological parents? At the moment a foetus still needs a human womb to grow into a baby, but once technology crosses that threshold and babies can be grown outside a human womb, being biological parents doesn't carry much significance anyway.

Originally posted by Terrorist
reply to post by EvanB

 

They should face some sort of legal penalty, because that's definitely child abuse, but I agree that it's extreme for them to be faced with the possibility of never again seeing their children.

Weight issues are NOT abuse. Abuse is yelling, screaming, demoralizing, calling someone names, and hitting/harming. It is not eating. Weight conditions run in families. I have 5 boys, one is 20 now, 6 foot 2, was a Budda as a baby, very very very chubby. He was only being nursed and they wanted to tranquilize him to feed less and I said NOT A CHANCE, nature knows best. And then at 10 months he stopped gaining weight and shot up and was perfect. He is tall and very thin. Out of 5, one is overweight, and it seems he inherited that tendency. And he is not told he is FAT, he is not put down, he is LOVED LOVED LOVED.

No one owns other people. Savvy? Peroid. We don't stand under others. This is NWO. And you need to even renounce your judgment on them for even that is wrong and on the other side of life you'll feel sorry about even having that against others.

reply to post by Suspiria

that sounds about right , and as previously raised they could be trying to set legal precedence to take children based on their dietary requirements .
maybe a better name for social services is actually eugenicist services

The real problem is not that the evil SS fourth reicht is trying to act. Its that people are not doing the right thing.

What would I do if they tried to come in and do things like this?

I would speak with everyone at that office and get their names, phone numbers and addresses and the judges too. And everyone involved would facing a massive court case, and I would refire justice over and over and over until it fired correctly, I would never ever tolerate their curfew. I would not OBEY the crimes these people are passing as laws. I would start a news letter, tshirt, media, bullhorn campaign in front of the legistlation building and in front of the courthouse and in front of the ministry and I would be charging 100 000 dollars per day that my children were stolen by these SS. I would also be hiring or finding a volunteering private investigator to expose all the crimes and corruption of all those names I had and press charges.

I would spend my life doing that until JUSTICE IS DONE and everyone in the entire country and world would know about it.

People, Stop Taking Corruption, Don't Follow Crimes or Obey Crimes. I would have instructed my children to escape confinement and get help from certain people well positioned in every area to GET HOME.

I also can out perform those workers mentally and would be really putting them in their spot. They probably woudnt have chosen my family to pick on. But I would never tolerate injustice. It would never succeed.

edit on 5-9-2011 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

reply to post by SangriaRed


to me it stinks of a particular operation to set a legal precence . and as you said they picked the fat issue possible on purpose as they knew it would provide the 'moral' cover they want. ie the psuedo-moralising assumptive or ignorant mass we see on this thread regarding the story

regarding the children who may see out their future without ever seeing their parents again. children's young lives really are so important ; what is it going to do them? wreck their whole family and why? just because nobody told them the supermarkets are out to addict people to sugary fatty junk

We are required to keep our children healthy and safe. Letting them become obese is doing neither. Type 2 Diabetes can set in rapidly. Do I condone any gov't agency taking children away from their parents, NO! But there has to be some responsibility and who is there to hold the parents responsible? Man, I am really stumped on this one. Being a holistic nutritionist and personal trainer I know the need to keep health number 1 above all in our lives. But I don't even agree the gov't should take children away from a drug home, being a man who came from a drug home as a child.....

I would get the people on Dr. Phil or some other show where the audience can chastise them I suppose, because I am at a loss....

reply to post by EvanB


I've seen five year olds who are huge! It's called child endangerment, if I burn, beat, rape my child it's called child endangerment and my kid gets taking away and I never see them again. Some people should never have kids. I feel bad for the children and despise the parents. But If you risk your child's life they should be taking away.

reply to post by Unity_99

Weight issues are NOT abuse.

Sure it is...it causes health issues. If a parent hits their kids and they break an arm, they could lose custody. The effects of obesity are slower, but just as grave. Making sure your kid has his/her first heart attack at 30 is just as bad as breaking his/her arm!

If you're handing your kid a bucket of chicken wings twice a day, your are causing him/her health issues. Do it often enough, and don't change that habit, and I believe it's perfectly ok for you to lose custody.

reply to post by ThirdI


Do you feel the same way about parents who smoke in the home?

Originally posted by gnosis111


We are required to keep our children healthy and safe. Letting them become obese is doing neither. Type 2 Diabetes can set in rapidly. Do I condone any gov't agency taking children away from their parents, NO! But there has to be some responsibility and who is there to hold the parents responsible? Man, I am really stumped on this one. Being a holistic nutritionist and personal trainer I know the need to keep health number 1 above all in our lives. But I don't even agree the gov't should take children away from a drug home, being a man who came from a drug home as a child.....

I would get the people on Dr. Phil or some other show where the audience can chastise them I suppose, because I am at a loss....

Weight is none of your business number 1. The ones in my family who are obese eat the less. Dieting creates weight gain, for you body goes into survival mode and resets your hypothalamus to lower calories needed, and people's bodies are different.

For the very few who eat wrong, that is none of your business either. Do you frequent night clubs, look at porn, do you eat wrong at times, do you do anything that is not perfect. Those are you own weaknesses/strengths, you are NOT A DICTATOR TO ANYONE ELSE.

This is HATE LEGISLATION AND IGNORANCE OF REAL HEALTH ISSUES AND PREJUDICE.

Overweight children just need love and acceptance. They're not lab rats and don't have to be forced into dieting. They are NOT TO BE RAISED TO OBEY OTHERS, BUT TO DEVELOP MINDS OF THEIR OWN. Educated and encouraged into fruits and veggies, excercies is great, but you can't force anyone, NOR DO YOU EVER PUT DOWN ANYONE.

And children/parents who are bonded need their parents more than they need church's and governments or your opinions. Soldiers on the battlefield cry Mom while dying.

Originally posted by SangriaRed
reply to post by ThirdI

 

Do you feel the same way about parents who smoke in the home?

If you smoke around a baby you're an idiot and endangering his/her life. As long as you keep the smoke away from the kid, I don't see an issue with it. If the kid wants to smoke once he's 18 and moving out, also not a problem, it's their choice, their freedom. But a small kid doesn't CHOSE to smoke, it's being forced to. Given that smoking causes health issues, yeah, if you smoke in front of your kid, and it develops related health issues because of it, you should lose your kids.

reply to post by Unity_99


Obesity is the NUMBER ONE CAUSE OF DEATH in the US! And guess how much costs that creates? And guess who's paying for it?

You saying others don't have the right to angry about that is silly...

You saying that the obese people in your family eat less is silly too. They might, while eating with you, but once they get home, those cream cakes and twinkies go right down

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reply to post by MrXYZ


OK next>

So what about high fructose corn syrup? The studies are available that shows how horrible it is for your health?
I mean really that bad. So bad that the companies are trying to change the image of it and major groups are trying to ban it. It's in so many foods. There is a choice between eating it and not eating it.
Ingesting high amounts of it may not actually make a person overweight but still is directly linked to health problems.

If a parent is giving their children high amounts of hfcs should their kids be removed?
(seriously seriously not trying to be a wench, just trying to get a point across.)

reply to post by MrXYZ



IS IT? I think the number one cause of death is the Goverment and Illuminati myself with all their toxins and posions? It is healthier on your heart to be 10 lbs overweight than 10 lbs under.

But you know what, other peoples problems, ie their health risks that they're born with the tendency towards is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Most overweight people eat LESS than normal weight people, some don't. NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Same with high blood pressure, and diabetes and all the other concerns and health issues.

NO ONE STANDS UNDER YOU AND NO GOVERNMENT HAS US OBEYING THEM.

Here are the crimes and abuses of children to witness such:

murder or harm of others, direct.

calling people names.

prejudice.

wars.

starvation.

inequality.

rape.

theft.

The government and the ministry performed massive injury and abuse, and like I said, I Don't Suffer Fools Gladly and Would Never Stand For Injustice. They need to mount a very very assertive campaign to put these luciferean monsters in jail and get their kids back.

reply to post by Threegirls

I'm not excusing the parents, but:
a) are we 100% sure that our government approved diet is optimal and can never be improved?
b) are we 100% that these parents don't offer something unique or beneficial to their children?

What if this family offers its children something that most others don't? By focusing on their diet habits, you might miss it. Most people aren't bad at everything they do. They have positives.

Whether their parents are wrong or right, the problem with this is that it ignores what drives innovation: diversity, freedom, hardship. By ruling from above they're limiting all of us to a lesser form. Evolution is BETTER when different families can parent and live differently from each other. We will discover new things faster. We do need to have standards, but by making them so strict and specific we're putting a wrench in the evolutionary machine!

If we start to accept these kinds of things we will become more and more supportive of eugenic policy. We're pretending to know what evolution should be. We're pretending to know the future. What's more arrogant than to assume that we know what our future evolution will be?

So we replace the pope with a science advisor. We replace the bible with a science book. Churches are replaced by schools. I don't care whether the state is science driven or religion driven because when institution becomes so overbearing and powerful, it inevitably discourages innovation and clouds the minds of its participants. We should not attempt to completely control our evolution unless we're prepared to see the truth: that we're flawed stupid creatures.

Decentralization > Authoritarianism. But it has to be a hybrid, not strictly decentralized. The reason is that we do need some control. We will always have police. We will always have watchdogs. We will always have to stop the over exploitation or abuse that happens. But we have to be careful what's declared to be abuse and exploitation. We're not god and should not see ourselves as being god. A good amount of humility and some impiety is a virtue.

I believe that passion is not ALWAYS good. Strength is not ALWAYS good. Righteousness is not ALWAYS good. Being athletic is not ALWAYS good. Being talkative is not ALWAYS good. Many of our innovators and famous people were not good at some things but made up for it in other ways. We should be careful about judging people because we don't have universal knowledge.

reply to post by SangriaRed

Only if your smoking around the kid or the next room whatever, I smoke but I have one room in the basement with a lock. My kid is not allowed in there. On top of that I only go in there when he's not home or he's sleeping. When he is home or awake I go out side.

reply to post by Unity_99

IS IT? I think the number one cause of death is the Goverment and Illuminati myself with all their toxins and posions?

Not according to the official statistics I linked above

By the way, the authority making sure not that much poison ends up in our food...the ONLY authority making sure of that...is about to be destroyed by the corporate-bought politicians in Washington? Why? So those nutrition companies can make more money of course, at the expense of the American people.

Here is the real abuse.

Judging others appearances AT ALL. Not seeing their inner selves, not drawing out the light in them.

We all come down here in a less than perfect world, more o f a hellzone, with the tests to wake up and serve/love others, to respect them and see through the outer meaningless crapola of life, and all the programming. To respect the inner core of all people and never put down their self esteem. For example with my overweight boy, the only one out of 5, he feels bad, and yet he's beautiful. Never look at a person on the surface. Teach them about good food, and excercise but do not force or bully anyone into anything and make them feel bad about themselves.

Love them, encourage and draw out happiness, laughter and love.

Model good examples don't dicatate them

And no government ever has the right into your fridge or to pass CRIME/HATE legistlation and its a Responsibility of the people not affected, the larger numbers to End All Corruption in their governments and Serve and Protect All People. That is a duty.

You never ever judge or force anyone. You love and encourage and find the beauty inside and create happiness, lasting positive memories and joy.

This abuse of these children was done by the ministry and it not only ripped their family from them but forcing them to hate themselves.

Planet earth is a school about loving others and helping everyone and being concerned with the inner person, not seeing the surface stuff here at all.

Every person is born with their own mix of light/dark squares and biology/health issues as well. And some things run in families. One group of mixed black and white squares can't point fingers at others. That is a FAIL on the test. Its about thinking yourself dirt and serving all others as gold. That is a PASS on the test. That dirt part, is a metaphor for humility but don't put your own inner core down either.

And have gratitude see your blessings as the gifts they are and the oppurtunity to shine light and be Love in this world.

reply to post by Unity_99


Nobody's saying fat people are evil

But they are clearly harming their bodies, and whereas an adult has a CHOICE of doing that, a kid has not if it's being forced on him through his parents. That's why it's abuse.

I drink, and sometimes smoke...but I'm a grown up, no one's forcing me to inhale second hand smoke. And no one's getting me used to eating 2 buckets of buffalo wings every day from the age of 4. That would be abuse!