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Originally posted by BadNinja68
Originally posted by areyouserious2010
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Not true. The vast majority of police do their jobs properly everyday, hundreds of thousands of times over, you just only hear about the incidents that go wrong or are suspected police corruption.
Untrue.
There are corrupt cops, and cops who ignore the corrupt cops.
anther FYI:
99% of the cops out there have a less than rudimentary grasp of the laws they are paid to uphold.
How can you realistically enforce laws you don't even know or understand without violating innocent peoples rights?
Cops are undereducated, untertrained and, underpaid. This makes some of them a dangerous liability IMHO.
I say pay all cops 100K a year to start.. but require them to pass a watered down version of their state's bar exam first.
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Originally posted by KilrathiLG
reply to post by cosmicexplorer
yes they are often arrested but currently no one has been convicted of the wiretapping charges in question they all either took deals or had charges dropped and several sources in this short threat can confirm that for you,in addtion several other high profile cases of people filming police have all ended with charges being dopped and in some cases sucessfull lawsuits against departments
Originally posted by cosmicexplorer
law.justia.com...
Here is about everything I can find at the moment in one link of the Illinois laws on audio recording....read them..and you will understand whats going on. I really think this law was established for other reasons, however it exists.
Let me explain something else about IL, if you get into a bar fight...that is felony aggravated battery charge. Did you know that? However cops and S/A's or D/A's rarely charge the felony route often just making it a battery. However the law is there as a tool to be used certain ways in certain situations. For whatever reason they are hitting this guy hard..and I have a feeling there is more going on here than what we know...they are hitting him with the max for a reason...idk why.
Originally posted by KilrathiLG
reply to post by cosmicexplorer
thats the good thats gonan come out of thsi case it will be ruled illegal and unconstitutional by this mans brave stand and hopefully when he is victorious stuff like this will be illegal for cops to hide behind illegal and unjust laws
Originally posted by KilrathiLG
reply to post by cosmicexplorer
you are correct its the audio thats the main thing in question but the problem is he was denied a court reporter to document his court case so he decided to record the court procedings becuase none were provided for him that is the "officer he was filming" was a prosecutor,and in refrence to some one elses point on this page in the op's video journalists are exempt from this law as long as they are at a public hearing or in the course of doing there job (from op's video)
Videotaping police in the course of their duties is "unambiguously" a free speech right protected under the First Amendment, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 1st Circuit held in a recent decision.
"Changes in technology and society have made the lines between private citizen and journalist exceedingly difficult to draw," they wrote. "The proliferation of electronic devices with video-recording capability means that many of our images of current events come from bystanders with a ready cell phone."
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by cosmicexplorer
law.justia.com...
Here is about everything I can find at the moment in one link of the Illinois laws on audio recording....read them..and you will understand whats going on. I really think this law was established for other reasons, however it exists.
Let me explain something else about IL, if you get into a bar fight...that is felony aggravated battery charge. Did you know that? However cops and S/A's or D/A's rarely charge the felony route often just making it a battery. However the law is there as a tool to be used certain ways in certain situations. For whatever reason they are hitting this guy hard..and I have a feeling there is more going on here than what we know...they are hitting him with the max for a reason...idk why.
If there is a law about recording people in general without their consent, that is what I think may be at the root of it, and the police can take advantage of it to keep the public from giving them problems when they are trying to present cases. They protect their own right:? So if they do that and someone comes up with evidence...people get in trouble.
What if the law was in put in place after all these cameras went in everywhere and no one had any recourse. Who is there to protect the civilian? Seems we get messed with either way.
There are lots of books around discussing privacy and the Internet and so on.
Originally posted by cosmicexplorer
Originally posted by BadNinja68
Originally posted by areyouserious2010
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Not true. The vast majority of police do their jobs properly everyday, hundreds of thousands of times over, you just only hear about the incidents that go wrong or are suspected police corruption.
Untrue.
There are corrupt cops, and cops who ignore the corrupt cops.
anther FYI:
99% of the cops out there have a less than rudimentary grasp of the laws they are paid to uphold.
How can you realistically enforce laws you don't even know or understand without violating innocent peoples rights?
Cops are undereducated, untertrained and, underpaid. This makes some of them a dangerous liability IMHO.
I say pay all cops 100K a year to start.. but require them to pass a watered down version of their state's bar exam first.
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This statement made me smile...I have a Bachelor's degree, Im probably overpaid for being a cop, and I have a very good understanding of the laws I enforce...when I don't...I call the S/A's Office...and they tell me how they want to proceed....It is very simple actually. Honestly man....I know of a single corrupt cop and he was fired immediately. Im not saying there are some "good ol boy" systems out there where they watch each others back on anything, but it is not as bad as you are making it seem. Cops aren't all bad brother. Honestly its the laws that are whacked. There are too many laws broken into too many categories. I do more paperwork on a DUI arrest than a sexual assault case...why is that? Cause some stupid ass law maker made a series of steps that you have to do during a DUI arrest which is total bull#. But its a job man...I have to enforce laws I don't agree with it...that doesnt make me corrupt or brain washed....think of everything you do in the job you have that you don't want to do...it's part of the job!
Originally posted by e11888
Originally posted by cosmicexplorer
Originally posted by BadNinja68
Originally posted by areyouserious2010
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Not true. The vast majority of police do their jobs properly everyday, hundreds of thousands of times over, you just only hear about the incidents that go wrong or are suspected police corruption.
Untrue.
There are corrupt cops, and cops who ignore the corrupt cops.
anther FYI:
99% of the cops out there have a less than rudimentary grasp of the laws they are paid to uphold.
How can you realistically enforce laws you don't even know or understand without violating innocent peoples rights?
Cops are undereducated, untertrained and, underpaid. This makes some of them a dangerous liability IMHO.
I say pay all cops 100K a year to start.. but require them to pass a watered down version of their state's bar exam first.
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This statement made me smile...I have a Bachelor's degree, Im probably overpaid for being a cop, and I have a very good understanding of the laws I enforce...when I don't...I call the S/A's Office...and they tell me how they want to proceed....It is very simple actually. Honestly man....I know of a single corrupt cop and he was fired immediately. Im not saying there are some "good ol boy" systems out there where they watch each others back on anything, but it is not as bad as you are making it seem. Cops aren't all bad brother. Honestly its the laws that are whacked. There are too many laws broken into too many categories. I do more paperwork on a DUI arrest than a sexual assault case...why is that? Cause some stupid ass law maker made a series of steps that you have to do during a DUI arrest which is total bull#. But its a job man...I have to enforce laws I don't agree with it...that doesnt make me corrupt or brain washed....think of everything you do in the job you have that you don't want to do...it's part of the job!
Your job is to protect and serve this nation. Your loyalty is to the Constitution which you took an oath to protect and the people of The United States. You are given the powers that you have by the citizens of this nation not the politians and not your boss. We the people pay your salary and we the people are your boss. You are a PUBLIC SERVANT... and this story is sickening. Its unconstitutional, unamerican and goes against everything our founding fathers fought for. This case should be thrown out of court as a complete joke. Government is protected by the patriot act. Guess what? WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE GOVERNMENT!
....so i have just as much say as you do as a citizen and for my portion of my tax dollars I say I disagree with you...and in fact....I can actually be fired If I post something negative or immoral on facebook or online or in public
Originally posted by KilrathiLG
reply to post by cosmicexplorer
im personaly unaware of how cook countie runs as i dont live there but any personal insight in how it compares to the rest of the state would be appreciated just for the general knowledge of your insight in to the matterand just out of general curiosity what are the usual reasons there arent court reporters for a case and if this were to happen to any of us in a court case what would be the official channel to go through to request one before proceeding or how would we present that matter to the judge with out offending them or hurting our hypothetical case just curious is all
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by cosmicexplorer
Ha too much Hollywood for me right?
This statement made me smile...I have a Bachelor's degree, Im probably overpaid for being a cop, and I have a very good understanding of the laws I enforce...
Honestly man....I know of a single corrupt cop and he was fired immediately. Im not saying there are some "good ol boy" systems out there where they watch each others back on anything, but it is not as bad as you are making it seem.
But its a job man...I have to enforce laws I don't agree with it...that doesnt make me corrupt or brain washed....think of everything you do in the job you have that you don't want to do...it's part of the job!
Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by cosmicexplorer
This statement made me smile...I have a Bachelor's degree, Im probably overpaid for being a cop, and I have a very good understanding of the laws I enforce...
This statement made me smile. So you have a degree in propaganda from some government funded re-educatation... er ah university... And you still enforce unconstitutional laws on people who have not harmed anyone... Sigh!
Honestly man....I know of a single corrupt cop and he was fired immediately. Im not saying there are some "good ol boy" systems out there where they watch each others back on anything, but it is not as bad as you are making it seem.
So you think your personal bubble is an accurate portrayal of what goes on around the state and country and not the other way around?
But its a job man...I have to enforce laws I don't agree with it...that doesnt make me corrupt or brain washed....think of everything you do in the job you have that you don't want to do...it's part of the job!
Yes it does make you corrupt and brain washed for you to justify harming and violating the rights of people who have harmed no one just because some group of legislators and prosecutors say so. By your logic the the Nazi death camp guards were justified since after all they were just doing their jobs. Yes I am comparing police to nazi death camp guards because it is the same principle at work here. You must be brain washed to enforce laws you know are wrong and harm people. But I guess the money is to good for you to live up to what you claim are your higher principles. You would have arrested this gentleman for wielding a camera for god sake and watch him face life in prison and say hey I don't like it but it's the law and I have to enforce it no matter who it harms... Not corrupt or brain washed?... Take a good hard look my friend! You are responsible for your actions and the job you choose to do regardless. The nazi death camp guards probably would have been killed had the refused to do thier job. All you have to do is quit yours to stop harming people while pretending to yourself you are not responsible. Tyranny is enabled by those who enforce it. The enforcer is just as guilty as those who decree it!