33 Year Air Force General had a conversation with me about Secret Space Program

I have a few problems with this story. First the man claims he has not seen anything more then aurora type projects. Saying they were really high end planes that just happened to be top secret but nothing spectacular. Then he changes it to "he seen triangle and circular "disc" like craft using anti gravity?

Hmmm me thinks this is somewhat contradiction and has red flags with signs of deception. He claims he has heard stories from other officers then swears we have been to the moon, mars with these vehicles ect. This insinuates something more profound then what he claims top have knowledge of previously. He is basically telling you he speculates in the beginning then says he can say with 120% certainty... ummm someone has been listening to Richard C Houghland apparently. This is how RCH always tells his stories always filled with speculation becoming a fact at the end of said story.

Am I alone? Am i the only one to notice this?

Well to the OP you are probably telling the truth, maybe maybe not i dunno. However this guy is not being forth right with you bro... then again how could you account for all these details? I mean i could not remember all of this given the extreme nature of the topic i would be in some shock to some extent. Sounds like you have a lot of time on your hands. yes smells like summer in here.

Not to mention he ends it with claiming he is part of the cover up? You lost me there. First he is just a witness to giant hangars and super planes blah blah then he changes to being a insider of secret space programs. Ahhh well not buying this sorry. Yes all these things can be found in the UFO mythology, the phobos monolith is not news. Giant hangars well i could put a story like this together over a few drinks myself depending on the poison.

just sayin

reply to post by vincenz32


Nice post, it's always good to hear about progress, even if it is hidden from us most of the time. What I'm more interested in, is what you were saying about Phobos! What's hidden there?

Has there ever been an explanation about this C140 Cargo Plane this guy allegedly flew for the Air Force? Because there is no such thing.

Originally posted by Illustronic
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Yes I realize there could be underground ICBM type installations out of view but I fail to see what return of investment there is in launching Saturn Vs after the cancellation of the program which was largely political. The real mission specialists were irate NASA did that publicity stunt with the Soyuz instead of assisting the life of Skylab.

I haven't got a clue if there was an Apollo 19 or 20. I didn't even know there was an Apollo 18 TBH.

Just saying, if 'whoever' ran things in that respect wanted to clandestinely launch another mission, they could have done it or still do it from an underground launch pad.

No idea if they did, just that they could.

Originally posted by Illustronic
Has there ever been an explanation about this C140 Cargo Plane this guy allegedly flew for the Air Force? Because there is no such thing.

The OP says he got it wrong.

Couldn't remember if it was a C130, C140 (his words, not mine)

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Bob Lazar mentions the gigantic elevator platforms and hangers too, way back in the 90's i believe..so not eaxactly news either.

Then there's a possible masonic connection.

A 1 star general with..33 years service, with access to secrets.

The OP himself writes under his name, 'Chief Operating Officer', capitalising each word.

Add the numerical values for each of the capital letters together and what do you get?

33 again.

(C = 3, O = 15 and O again = 15) 3+15+15 = 33.

Stretching a bit, but take the '1' star from his General friends rank in his post, add it to the 32 at the end of Vincenz32 and what do we get? ANOTHER 33.

Masonic connection is my thinking, who knows, just thought the coincidence was weird.

Earth to OP. Earth to OP. Come back? Have you abandoned your thread? Can you answer some of these questions? How old is your general friend, for example? Sure some people here don't believe you. Isn't that true of every thread on here? Can you add anything more here? Let's discuss the General. Whaddya think?

Foolish mortals, we need only to all stick together. We know not even half of our story. Keep an open mind brothers and Sisters. Read betwen the lies my friends, read between the Lies. ~SheopleNation

Hi, uhm there was no apollo 18 19 or 20, well officially anyways, I personally think russians have been to the moon alot and we just don't know it.

Oh I'm sure that at the end of the publicized missions to the moon that NASA continued sending spacecraft there after they found them bases, and this is why no more public viewing of those missions, now that we have set up a lunar presence, even the shuttle was built just to pacify the people, when the technology is far beyond what we'd ever expect

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Well I can't tell you if he is lying or not, but I can tell you there is nothing left at Area51 to guard any longer, although there once was. What it was is nothing you would have imagined, and most of you I fear won't believe the truth, it was very saddening to me as well when I discovered it. Although the truth is still amazing. When I get my 20 posts in I will make a thread, I hope you come visit it.

Originally posted by misterbananas
Hi, uhm there was no apollo 18 19 or 20, well officially anyways, I personally think russians have been to the moon alot and we just don't know it.

Well, surprise surprise, there was actually an Apollo 18 mission.

Don't worry, just about everyone on this board didn't know that, me included.

Didn't go to the moon (or so they say) they stayed in orbit for 9 days, the idea being a link up with a Soviet capsule (Soyuz docking or something)

Mind you...9 days. 3 days to the moon, 3 days to have a look around at whatever they found, and 3 days back to orbit. More that possible for them to have gone back, and kept it on the quiet.

Maybe a joint USSR and US mission to recover something?

Or even just as they said it was, to test out docking of the two spacecraft.

Originally posted by StrangerThanFiction39
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Well I can't tell you if he is lying or not, but I can tell you there is nothing left at Area51 to guard any longer, although there once was. What it was is nothing you would have imagined, and most of you I fear won't believe the truth, it was very saddening to me as well when I discovered it. Although the truth is still amazing. When I get my 20 posts in I will make a thread, I hope you come visit it.

Well, an interesting story aside, unless you bring at least tenuous evidence to support your story, there's no ambiguity about most members not believing you...i guarantee you most won't believe you.

Do you believe every piece of hearsay you come across?

No, and neither do most of the reasonable thinkers here either.

I suppose it's going to be a case of yet another new or relatively unknown member, leading the gullible with nothing tangible to go on, no evidential trail to follow, and nothing to verify..again.

Expect myself and others to be asking for proof or even the slightest, tiniest piece of checkable evidence to verify you're not just another fantasist or complete liar or worse still, deliberately posting crap to confuse and disorientate and distract the gullible from more productive *checkable* accounts..won't you. Divide and conquer...always a classic, and easier than most of the tactics to recognise.

I won't expect you to produce any of course, although i will be pleasantly surprised if you do...so the ball's in your court so to speak. Forewarned is forearmed, as they say.

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(Maybe a joint USSR and US mission to recover something? )

Hi all.

A big leap in association and coincidence is about to be needed.

History first.

Just before D day, a couple of clues in the UK Times newspaper crossword, gave out the names of 2 of the landing beaches, well I think that's what they did.

Today, doing the crossword in the UK Daily Mail of the 26th August what did I find?

"11 across. Russian space station goes over the edge (3)"

Now the only space station I know about is the International one. Is it just possible that there is more than one space station up there?

oh herroooo...

Originally posted by vincenz32
But this thread, what this thread means to me is it finally gave me my own REAL personal tangible evidence that this stuff really exists, and we have ET type technology hidden. I always needed some form of proof from someone in the know.

Cheers fellas.

edit on 31-8-2011 by vincenz32 because: (no reason given)

tangible evidence....is touching the stuff yourself....knowing 200% that what you experiance is real. This is not when somebody tells you a story....not even if it is the US president himself. Therefore....your experaince was not tangible and I wonder why you used this explicid word.

It all comes down if I consider your story 'tangible' too

reply to post by Illustronic


Actually, there WERE C-140B aircraft in the inventory, but only about 15 were delivered. It wasn't so much a cargo plane as a general-purpose transport.

www.hill.af.mil...

Since these were rare birds, it might be relatively easy to find out who piloted them, and if any of those pilots became Brigadier Generals. I still call BS on his story though.

I don't find it strange that the shuttle fleet was retired, it was 30 year old technology and the airframes were getting tired..

I do however find it strange that there is no replacement in the hanger. The other technologies that have been in use for the last 30 years have made giant leaps forward, but not spaceships, why is that?

Is it possible that some of those long shuttle missions were actually trips to the moon?

I doubt that were any secret launches, at least not from the U.S.A. mainland. I watched a shuttle launch from Daytona beach a few years ago, it's not something that is easy to hide. But thats not to say launches couldn't go undetected from Russia.

Lots of questions, very few reliable answers.

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There was NO Apollo 18. You are referring to the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project.

Apollo Soyuz was the first international manned spaceflight. It was designed to test the compatibility of rendezvous and docking systems for American and Soviet spacecraft, to open the way for international space rescue as well as future joint manned flights.

Mostly, it was a political stunt. What it was definitely NOT was a covert lunar mission. The Apollo Command Service Module (CSM) for ASTP and Skylab missions was launched on the Saturn 1B, a much smaller rocket than the Saturn V. It could cary a CSM into orbit but unlike a Saturn V could not carry a lunar lander, nor could it inject spacecraft into a trans-lunar trajectory. To do that, you need a "moon rocket" and the Saturn 1B was not.

Apollo 17 was the last lunar mission.

Read about ASTP here: www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov...

There's always stories like this. Which is kind of neat, even if there are half-truths.

But there is stuff we don't know about on an official basis. I even have an uncle that could corroborate with that UFO missile shutdown incident in the 1970s, but he wouldn't say much other than something happened.

Also I think that where some of the juicy tidbits may be hidden isn't with typical secret projects personnel, but with people in support activities. They may not be allowed in certain places, but stuff still has to get in or out. Those operations have to be maintained after all. People working in or with access to supply or 3M may be able to reference parts indexes, equipage, and technical manuals. (This may also be true with civilian counterparts with gov't suppliers and companies that maintain the databases.) In most cases, there's no way to do much more than scratch the surface (you won't be able to order something without the clearance and necessary sign-offs) but you can see that some stuff exists in terms of being indexed on records. The fact that a supposed "UFO" allowance list or service manual exists may be interesting enough, even if you can't get to read it.

(As to why I mention that last thing, I used to work in Maint back in my Navy days. There were times we'd get really bored and see what the weirdest sounding thing was that we could do a reverse look-up on. Other times, we'd look up a random part number and take bets on how many things are associated with it. There were a couple that would raise an eyebrow or two. To say the least, some weird sounding stuff does exist. My memory sucks though, so unfortunately I can't be specific. We also had that now-declassified UFO crash preparedness manual from 1967 or so in the tech library. I'm sure I remember reading a thread about that manual posted by somebody else here at ATS somewhere.)