33 Year Air Force General had a conversation with me about Secret Space Program, page 25
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reply posted on 22-9-2011 @ 01:06 AM by DrJay1975
Originally posted by vincenz32
Guys, I am a long time lurking member. And I wish this was more of a tight nit small forum because my honesty and warm character could be verified by you. Other than me telling you: Guys, I am not a shill, I am an honest person, and I have no reason to post here, other than to show my excitement this morning. The reason I dont post threads here that often is because I am a knowledge gatherer and have no reason to post on something that I have no information on until today that is.

Well today, I just stumbled on some crazy information from a retired Brigadier General in the Air Force of 33 years. I will only give a location in the Blan edited viscinity, and he is the owner of a Blank edited in the blank edited area now. I have been buddies with him for almost 10 years now because we subcontract with each other for jobs all the time. The craziest thing is I really never knew his military background and I never knew he had a knowledge in this conspiracy type stuff. I also dont like people to look at me like I am loony, so I stray away from speaking to people about GLP/ATS type issues unless I can get a feel that they are of interest or have there own experience in the matter. So, we are working on a job this morning in the NYC area at my store, discussing plans about 20 minutes ago (yes you can tell I am excited) and I mention the Earthquakes from last week being on almost the same latitude line from Colorado to Virginia. Instead of him saying: "Wow , did you feel the shaking ? That was scary!"
The guy says "Yup, this world is changing very fast, many people have no idea what to expect in the coming years".

I immediately thought, that was a strange way to talk about the shaking sensations of last week. So, I continued in a small convo with him and for the first time ever he admitted to me about flying planes for the air force and retiring as a 1 Star Brigadier General in the US Air Force for 33 years. He even mentioned working at Wright Patterson and traveling to Nellis and Edwards AFB on numerous occasions. He used to fly C140B Cargo Planes as a young officer and eventually moved up the ladder to command and flag level ranks. I was thoroughly impressed with his repetoire so of course I had to inquire about the UFO topic and inside information. He laughed and said dont get me started. "I have NO insider information, only what I have seen and heard from my other brass buddies" Lingo for officer general staff friends over the years.--

A few things he stated:
-During his time at both Wright Patterson and Area 51 region as a COL and Brigadier General level he admitted to having TOP SECRET CLEARANCE as well as a need to know clearance into certain areas as what he called it. Basically everyone had TS clearance, and the way he said it worked was if you were supposed to be in certain areas, your superior gave you the clearance on an as needed and need to know level. There were no terms for this, just access, etc. He said that he never saw anything out of this world so to speak, but he did state that he saw hangers "LARGER THAN LIFE" over there that were heavily guarded, and he "even as a general was never allowed over or even close to them". FOr his entire 33 years all of his AF buddies always had stories and talked about Area 51 and WP AFB as having these incredibly large hangers, and also underground
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God I hate to do this, because there are already people calling any detractors disinfo agents but here's a site.
www.af.mil... Now I didn't see the details that were edited in the OP but I couldn't find an AF 1 star that retired after 33 years as a 1 star, so I'll assume the OP meant 33 years in the AF and retired as a Brigadier General. Now that list I posted of all retired AF generals has several generals that retired after 33 years in the service. I don't see any 1 stars that retired after 33 years at least 10 years ago that currently come up in any searches as affiliated with a defense subcontractor. I could have missed it as it's a huge list but I don't think I did. So I think the story is bunk.

My biggest problem with these stories is that the poster never wants to identify their mysterious source but they always give more than enough information to track them down in short order. Uncle Sam identifies your user name, identifies you, cross references you with retired AF generals that meet the criteria you listed and boom he's readily identified.

But if anyone else wants to check the retired AF brass list I'll be interested in seeing if I missed it.


reply posted on 25-9-2011 @ 01:52 AM by smarterthanyou
reply to post by Frira



You assume everything is built where you assume it is built. Why can it not be manufactured close by or even directly where it is assumed to being secretly launched? Who says the rocket or its parts have to be shipped anywhere?



reply posted on 25-9-2011 @ 12:50 PM by Frira
reply to post by smarterthanyou



Three weeks later, without quoting the post, you reply? I don't blame you for not quoting the post-- I would not have quoted your words and my reply if I were you, either.

So, Mister Laughing-Out-Loud, what you call "assumption" is known by others as deduction. You are a puppy, so it is understandable that you have no sense of scale-- not of budget, not of acreage, not of required employees, not of the expertise those employees would need to have, and not of logistics.

As you become an adult, these things will likely occur to you; but, meanwhile, your LOLs do not do you credit.


reply posted on 5-10-2011 @ 09:49 AM by nake13
reply to post by Frira



I.m sorry but I failed to notice any info/evidence that would make your refutation"bullet proof"?
I was being ironic in any case.


reply posted on 5-10-2011 @ 11:25 AM by Frira
Originally posted by nake13
reply to
post by Frira



I.m sorry but I failed to notice any info/evidence that would make your refutation"bullet proof"?
I was being ironic in any case.


I'm glad to know that it was intended as ironic. I see the smiley wink, now.

As for a bullet-proof refutation of Apollo 18 (and beyond) mission, it is in that all of the LM's CM's and Saturns are accounted for.

Thus, your ironic intent is exactly the way others responded in sincerity to the fact that all the major components said to have been part of secret Apollo missions are actually present on earth and accounted for-- that is, instead of conceding the fact and dismissing the impossible theory; instead, the theory is adapted to the even more absurd:

"Well, we used Star Gates!" or
"Well, we created a secret underground nation whose slave labor does nothing but build and launch Apollo rockets in the Antarctic!"

I marvel that some will continue more deeply into the absurd rather than concede that what began as a speculative pet theory cannot be possible. Unless one has evidence needing explanation, a rational person abandons speculative theories which have been proven to be based on false data.

There is nothing-- NO THING-- unexplained which becomes explained by the speculation that there have been manned missions to the moon after Apollo 17. It is a needless theory which can be dismissed, at a glance, by a learned person.

Imagination is great if it is informed. Bad science fiction does often get published... for a reason.


reply posted on 6-10-2011 @ 08:36 AM by Cosmic911
reply to post by vincenz32



Without committing myself, I guess this story could be credible. As much as I want to believe in UFO/ET technologies from space-faring races, isn't it more likely that the U.S. Government has been researching & developing advanced aircraft? Which is the more likely? Occam's Razor says the former. Isn't it more likely that in all this time we've developed an aircraft that will turn 90 degrees on a dime rather than we reversed engineered alien tech? I don't know....I'm just asking. For heaven's sake, we sent people to the moon.

Its believable and credible to me because how he describes his access or in-access to black projects. These projects are so compartmentalized that even this General, with a TS clearance, did not have unlimited access. I've read that even the base commander at Wright-Patterson didn't know they F-117's there when they first arrived (or something to that effect). This highlights the concept of "Need to Know." At that particular time, he didn't have a need to know.

Believe me, I really, really want to believe in extrterrestrial life, that it crashed here, and that we've been back-engineering their technology. BUT, the realist and pragmatic in me, says I don't know....

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