Wow... England Needs A Revolution...

reply to post by thoughtsfull

That's fascinating stuff thoughtsfull. But unless I'm being dense with my internet searches, I can't seem to find any info about the independence of Cuckfield or Lewes. Got any links per chance?

If we had the warmer mediterranean climate we were promised with the onset of global warming, things might not be so bad, being poor in a warm and sunny environment wouldn't be as bad, but the miserable weather we get here definitely effects my mood more than the amount of money in my pocket. I think we are expecting another cold winter this year.

Sorry, I thought I had to get the weather in here somehow. The weather must shoulder some of the blame

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
If we had the warmer mediterranean climate we were promised with the onset of global warming, things might not be so bad, being poor in a warm and sunny environment wouldn't be as bad, but the miserable weather we get here definitely effects my mood more than the amount of money in my pocket. I think we are expecting another cold winter this year.

Sorry, I thought I had to get the weather in here somehow. The weather must shoulder some of the blame

I will be giving the snow a miss this year but im sure after spending everyday in 40°C temps I will be looking forward to sticking my bald head into a snow drift when I come home for the xmas holidays. (And 20 pints of bombadier of course)

Originally posted by EvanB
You can keep your cheap, mass produced junk and we will just keep our high end quality stuff to ourselves

That's why you're moving to Dubai, eh?



I guess the iPhone is junk, too.

reply to post by Freeborn


Spoken like a true politically-correct, non-math and science college graduate with liberal leanings.

reply to post by eldard

Spoken like a true politically-correct, non-math and science college graduate with liberal leanings

Well, I doubt you'll ever be employed profiling people as you are so wide of the mark it's really laughable.

Despise Political Correctness with a passion and it's certainly something I've never been accused of before.
Simply reading my posts in this thread should tell you that, but I suppose reading and thinking would be new a experiences fo you.

Never been to college in my life, left school without a single qualification.
Still managed to manage a bookmakers, run two pubs for myself and been a Production Manager of a factory over the years.
I have done an OU course and am hoping to resume OU studies soon but that's more to give me something to do and it being a new challenge than anything else.

Again, if you'd bother to actually read my posts you'd know I have no particular political leaning at all and try to take everything on it's own merits.
I certainly don't prescribe to any one political ideaology or dogma at all.
I suspect there's more than a few people here on ATS who will literally piss themselves laughing at the thought of me being a 'liberal'.

All in all, a massive fail methinks.

reply to post by Freeborn


I was going to reply to eldard, which I have read over the past couple of pages, but decided not to since you have mostly covered it all.

Maybe some individual, members need to look themselves in the mirror before, they go into a thread and call every English individual ugly. Or Any British Citizen for that matter.

Star for you Freeborn.

reply to post by EvanB


Not to mention weakening our military to such an extent we are sitting ducks for a powerful nation.

Originally posted by Swanfilters
As long as the revolution is not a communist one, I would support major changes to our nation. Starred and flagged, good post OP.

edit on 30-8-2011 by Swanfilters because: (no reason given)

Strongly agree there mate, as for a revolution. Right wing led or none at all.

reply to post by Freeborn


With brainpower like moi, I don't need to work for someone else. I also don't have a college degree.

reply to post by AnonymousFem


Compare to, say, the Swedes, the English are generally ugly. Sure there are lookers and not everywhere. But for every Kate Middleton, there's a hundred Camilla in England.

reply to post by Raider of Truth


Since a right wing nation will have zero growth, because, you know, they're all fiscally conservative i.e. they all live within their means, few will invest in such a place. Left wing nations become more progressive faster enabling anyone to make a lot of hay while the sun shines. But will eventually come crashing back down. Every 70 years or so.

Originally posted by eldard
reply to post by Freeborn

 

With brainpower like moi, I don't need to work for someone else. I also don't have a college degree.

It's a shame I've never seen that brain power displayed in any of your one liner posts. All I see is your avatar and few un pleasant lines of text. Why don't you use that brain power to make a worthwhile contribution in threads? Or are we all beneath your level that you just cant be bothered?

reply to post by Raider of Truth

Strongly agree there mate, as for a revolution. Right wing led or none at all.

Right wing led? Surely it needs to be a combination of both right and left and centerists. There are many people in the country the majority are not right wing. Look at the last general election, the Tory party failed to get a majority even after 13 years of labour government, if you want to look further to the right then, what happened to the BNP. If there was real public support for the right the BNP would have a larger following and the Torries would not require the backing of the most left wing of the parties the Lib Dems.

Let the Monster Raving Loony party have a crack. They couldn't do any worse. LOL

Hey maybe I should run for PM. Free smarties for all.
If I came to power, Snickers would be called Marathon again and Starbusrt would be Opel Fruits again.

reply to post by eldard

Since a right wing nation will have zero growth, because, you know, they're all fiscally conservative i.e. they all live within their means, few will invest in such a place. Left wing nations become more progressive faster enabling anyone to make a lot of hay while the sun shines. But will eventually come crashing back down. Every 70 years or so.

And you’re basing your equation on what? The fall of left wing eastern Europe? The buzz of the outside investment during the years of socialism was deafening – by its silence. The left will give us social wealth perhaps but it’s too inhibiting for investors – all those nasty rule things.

Right wing has zero growth? What? How? We’re living through corporatism now – about as right wing as you can get no? The whole basis of its success is the magical ‘growth ‘concept. That’s how it sustains itself – well until recently.

I’ve got much to say against corporatism but lack of inward investment ain’t one of them. That investment is only to the pecuniary advantage of the few, regarding the labour force as a costly overhead that should be reduced either by a direct cut in pay and conditions – or simply by relaxing the global trade laws and outsourcing.
Basically the whole thing a massive pyramid system bound to boom bang a bust.

With corporatism capital rules - and capital has no social conscience.

Both systems are obviously fundamentally flawed. I’m for a return to the ‘mixed economy’. Keep necessities – gas, electricity and water – in public hands. Let everything else be the stuff of investors’ games.

The only problem with a revolution is, what do you replace the existing system with? It is obvious that the reset button cannot be pressed. The Nation cannot start over from scratch. Some existing policy or system wold need to fill the gap and I am not sure that I trust any of them.

Follow the plot of Starship Troopers and let the veterans take over. LOL

reply to post by TheLoneArcher


A return to the 'mixed economy'. Take the best of both and there's no need to start from scratch.

reply to post by christina-66


I tend to agree with you on that. My line of thinking was regarding the risk of corruption quickly creeping back in.

Originally posted by Cythraul
reply to post by thoughtsfull

 

That's fascinating stuff thoughtsfull. But unless I'm being dense with my internet searches, I can't seem to find any info about the independence of Cuckfield or Lewes. Got any links per chance?

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Not a problem not everything makes it way onto the net or is buried under obscure headings. ISOC can be found on the list of Micronations and they hold what they consider are the most "unfair elections in the world" that hold close to one of our proudest traditions.. the right to corruption

The traditional right to corruption (which is a must for Cameron to include in his British human rights bill) also turns up Cliffes Presidential election on their Independence celebrations.. where the most corrupt candidate wins the presidency.

But I'm not surprised these things do not make it on the net.. and even I can't find anything much of the Cliffe independence day aside from photos and small articles in the Sussex Express..

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(As a smuggling county the pirate theme is very big... which is why all the bonfire societies uniforms are based on smugglers colours)

One of the Candidates for the Presidency of a free and independent Cliffe (a previous mayor) wore a t-shirt on the presidential hustings that said "You're only jealous because the little voices are talking to me" and was keen to point out she was the candidate who had big tits which seemed a big plus with the voters

The under tone of all these events is as you will have guessed is a piss take of our system of governance... but the theme is one where we can simply stick 2 fingers up at the establishment and tell them to bugger off.. no bloodshed or violence needed just a bloody good sense of humour to laugh them out of town.

However If people want they can always vote for parties like the "Cliffe Revolutionary Activists Party" to ensure if they want C.R.A.P they can vote for C.R.A.P

Originally posted by christina-66
reply to post by TheLoneArcher

 

A return to the 'mixed economy'. Take the best of both and there's no need to start from scratch.

I think we should re nationalise the railways too. It's not like they have been improved by private investment. Would be better if those high priced fares went back into the public rather than be divided up between a few private business's. It makes no sense to be in private hands, you cant have competition when there's only one track to operate on.