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Wow... England Needs A Revolution...

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posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by christina-66
reply to post by TheLoneArcher
 


A return to the 'mixed economy'. Take the best of both and there's no need to start from scratch.


I think we should re nationalise the railways too. It's not like they have been improved by private investment. Would be better if those high priced fares went back into the public rather than be divided up between a few private business's. It makes no sense to be in private hands, you cant have competition when there's only one track to operate on.


I have to agree with you on the rail issue... At the moment all of Brighton's stations are being protested at due to the mix of price rises (another 13% rise) a return to the older style of cramp trains and the removal of toilets from the service which marries the removal of toilets from a lot of the local stations.. all in all displaying disgusting levels of profiteering.




posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 04:57 AM
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Yep - I was going to add the railways to the list. I think you're right. It's the greenest, and should be the most efficient, form of transport. They took Railtrack back into public hands didn't they? I think their drive for profit impinged on safety to unacceptable levels. At least they do seem to have their limits.



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 05:04 AM
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Originally posted by TheLoneArcher
The Nation cannot start over from scratch.

Well I believe that's our only hope - to start from scratch, in the social political sense, but not the cultural/racial sense. The best thing that can happen to England is an ideological return to the early Dark Ages (which were, actually, quite enlightened), rural living, mysticism and a far more conditional giving of trust than ever known before.



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 05:16 AM
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Thank you! But in finding out what 'Micronation' means, the first line on this page states:


A micronation is any entity which purports to be, or has the appearance of being a sovereign state, but isn’t.


...and then goes on to explain how it's all illusory, the difference between a 'Micronation' and a 'Microstate'. Shame!



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 05:24 AM
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. We cant go back to scratch, you can't un invent the wheel so to speak. western society has benefitted enormously from the enlightenment period. It is what separates us from the rest of the world. We have come too far to just go back to some kind of bygone era. You can't expect to change the views of the religious or ideologues to an undefined mysticism.
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posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by Cythraul
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Thank you! But in finding out what 'Micronation' means, the first line on this page states:


A micronation is any entity which purports to be, or has the appearance of being a sovereign state, but isn’t.


...and then goes on to explain how it's all illusory, the difference between a 'Micronation' and a 'Microstate'. Shame!


While very true.. building such community spirit to moon the establishment is worth every penny or cuckoo
and it does demonstrate that we are free to create our own state or nation if we wish..



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 06:25 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
western society has benefitted enormously from the enlightenment period.

But to many of us, the 'enlightened' period is less enlightened than the so-called 'un-enlightened' period. Like I said, we live in a darker age now than what we call the Dark Ages.


Originally posted by woodwardjnr
You can't expect to change the views of the religious or ideologues to an undefined mysticism.

No I can't. But natural disaster, overextended tyranny or Civil War could. And I hope they do.



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 06:33 AM
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Funnily enough , our pal from Libya had done exactly that for the people of Libya, gave them gas , electricity , and water for the people . Everything else was in the hands of the companies .

Yet look what happened to him

I do agree that every requirement for man or woman to survive must be kept in the hands of the public not private companies who can charge whatever they want for it .
Also development in these fields are also funded by tax payers to generate new technologies , companies wishing to research in this field privately yet let the public have access to their technologies will get tax breaks and incentives from government with tax payers money to fill the gap between the public funded and private funded technologies to sustainable futures.


On a note regarding the last election , did you notice how only a tiny percentage of scotland voted for the conservative. Yet our country is goverened by their policies there was no reperesentation for those parties in scotland . Anyways thats not changing anything were stuck with them for now.



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 06:41 AM
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On a note regarding the last election , did you notice how only a tiny percentage of scotland voted for the conservative. Yet our country is goverened by their policies there was no reperesentation for those parties in scotland . Anyways thats not changing anything were stuck with them for now


That's not strictly true...Westminster only has limited power in Scotland, a lot of power in Scotland resides in The Scottish Assembly, same is true for Northern Ireland and Wales.

Only England doesn't have a National Assembly and Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish MP's have a far greater say and influence on English affairs than English MP's do in Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish affairs.

I'd like to see a Northern English Assembly.
edit on 2/9/11 by Freeborn because: to add the part of the post I was replying to.



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 07:16 AM
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I like your thinking - its forward looking - taking the best of what we're already experienced with and just dump the rest as a failed experiment.

I can't agree with you on the conservative policies being inflicted on Scotland tho.' We've got completely third rate people in that Edinburgh 'parliament'. You are directing this at someone whose sick to the back teeth of the rampant corruption going on up here. We've had the same 'old boys' in office or behind the scenes for decades. Jobsworths and lackies the lot of them - with not a care for the population. Oh - they're good at populist policies for the red-tops - but they don't pan out in reality.

This stupid, stupid tram line in Edinburgh is a perfect example. One Scottish mp voted that thru. Granted he was a tory one - David McLetchie - of the charging for personal taxis on expenses scandal - and a solicitor with one of our largest legal firms.

Do you know why McLetchie voted the tram line in? Because it would deprive the SNP funds with which to implement mare salient policies. The Glasgow to Edinburgh rail line goes right past the airport for goodness sake! They only ever had to build a train station on the existing line.

I'll give you just one example of the kind of people I reckon we need rid of - Ian Angus Drummond of Glasgow City Council. Since 1985 (the time period I'm aware of) that man has variously been the city council's Chief Solicitor, Deputy Town Clerk, Town Clerk, Head of Legal Services, Head of Industrial Relations, oh and Chief Executive.

The title he uses always depends on who he's talking to. No-one votes for him, hardly anyone in Glasgow, let alone anywhere else , has heard of him - and yet he's one of the most powerful figures in public office in Scotland. Tell me please - who's that good at that kind of public office that no-one else could do the job(s)?



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 08:09 AM
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if thats true , then why the hell does parliament have a lib con leadership
when most of scotland voted labour or snp !

maybe im not understanding the way our political system works. Dont think I have ever really understood it , my mum always tries to keep me up to date when she does the polling !

@ Christina
Anyways most of the Glasweigan MSP's own large areas of derelict land in Glasgow and also empty warehouses which are only held up to safety code so they dont get levelled. Simply so that in future they can sell them off to the highest bidder to line their own pockets. Instead of rejuvinating the areas at low cost .

The tram line is a bloody joke , and a complete sham from day one it probably wont be finished until im 40 , another 11 years time !

@everyone
You know , you lot are a bunch of smart people . and I think we could see eye to eye on most things . I say we do form a political party and we each delegate an area of britian , we first build our manifesto , I can do the graphic design needed for the promotional leaflets , palmflets, posters.

Im really sure that If we did put our heads together we could find a political system ,which combines the full spectrum , we could use our combined knowledge of each sector . industry , and see how we can make a positive change and show the public that we plan to impliment that change effectively.

Also if we are elected , we then add a parliementary act , so that if our party doesnt provide the said reforms in our manifesto , we are held accountable and the people may take legal action against our failings !

that way we have to ensure it works , or we are all in the # !

How about it ???
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posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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im in, as long as i dont have to contribute financially, im very poor lol



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 03:56 PM
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You know , you lot are a bunch of smart people . and I think we could see eye to eye on most things . I say we do form a political party and we each delegate an area of britian , we first build our manifesto , I can do the graphic design needed for the promotional leaflets , palmflets, posters.

Im really sure that If we did put our heads together we could find a political system ,which combines the full spectrum , we could use our combined knowledge of each sector . industry , and see how we can make a positive change and show the public that we plan to impliment that change effectively.


Well don't all rush in at once. Can we walk the walk?



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by nake13

Originally posted by Swanfilters
it's time we pulled out and watched the Scottish and Welsh big talk come crashing down to the reality of the situation - they are NOTHING without England.
edit on 30-8-2011 by Swanfilters because: (no reason given)


You are right there,it is time that you and the rest of the parasites who have benefited from Scotland's oil revenue"pulled out",we would be a far better country without you.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by Cythraul
The best thing that can happen to England is an ideological return to the early Dark Ages (which were, actually, quite enlightened), rural living, mysticism


Hogwartz wands and robes for everyone!!!




posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Why don't you use that brain power to make a worthwhile contribution in threads? Or are we all beneath your level that you just cant be bothered?


My threads here usually are in your face anti-American-ish. Few people respond coz they can't handle the truth.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 02:39 AM
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Originally posted by christina-66
And you’re basing your equation on what? The fall of left wing eastern Europe? The buzz of the outside investment during the years of socialism was deafening – by its silence. The left will give us social wealth perhaps but it’s too inhibiting for investors – all those nasty rule things.


Social wealth is an oxymoron. As the utterly dynamic woman that is Maggie Thatcher (ALL HAIL!!!) once said, "The trouble with socialism is you soon run out of other people's money."


And who in their right minds would want to invest in socialist, let alone communist countries? The former has no great consumer base because of their 50% tax rates and the latter that's still existing are just basically holes of fecal matter.


Right wing has zero growth? What? How? We’re living through corporatism now – about as right wing as you can get no? The whole basis of its success is the magical ‘growth ‘concept. That’s how it sustains itself – well until recently.


Corporations are run by mostly conservatives. But it's the gullible liberals who keep buying what they sell. With borrowed money.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 02:47 AM
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I prefer a mostly unregulated, free for all capitalism. And oh, no taxes, please!!!



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 02:57 AM
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Originally posted by nexusferox
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see i can tell by your venacular that you live a somewhat pompous, middle-class lifestyle, or pertain to so it surprises me not one bit that you haven't encountered the things I've seen. Went to use a public phone once only to find the mouthpiece covered in human excrement.

do yourself a favour and get out of your culdesac once in a while and you'll see


Says the guy adopting a pompous and presumptive attitude of his own. You may wish to wind your neck in.

10 years ago, I was homeless and unemployed, sleeping on a mates sofa or occasionally outside if he wasn't around. My life actually improved when I started seeing this girl (who was a mate of my sisters) who turned out to be a smack head, that's how crap it was. It weas a regular placec to sleep, after all.

Thing is, there was no help for me. Labour are all about helping the poor, downtrodden masses as long as they aren't single, white males. I had to crawl my way out of the gutter under my own steam and fend for myself. I never gave up, kept on pushing and learnt the only thing holding me down was me.

Now, yes, I am living the quiet, middle class lifestyle, earning a good whack and have a fiancee with three lovely children. Thing is, I fooking earnt it and didn't spend my time whining about how it was someone else fault. Because I had to do it all myself, that is why I have the attitude I have now. If you cannot be arsed to help yourself or pull your weight, why should I be made to feel sorry for you?

And I certainly won't have some jumped up internet dude say otherwise just because there is crap on your payphone.

Clean it off, problem solved. Oh, you won;t do that, you'll just run off and blame others, rather than deal with an issue.
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posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 03:22 AM
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Agreed, but to a point the railway is nationalised already. National Rail is owned by the Government and they even run a couple of franchises I believe.

That said, it makes no sense to have lots of different rail firms. There is no competetion because they mostly run to different destinations and there is certainly room to cut fares when rail firms make hundreds of millions in profit.

I will say though that there has been much more investment in the rail infrastructure in the last 15 years. My own local station in Reading is having £850 million spent on it!



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