Originally posted by spy66
If a vacuum contain particles the vacuum would not change, it would still be a absolute vacuum with particles.
You have a absolute vacuum with particles.That is not impossible. We can create a vacuum with less particles cant we?
Its just that we can not create a absolute vacuum, because we dont have the energy/force to create it. No even with all the particles in existence could we use them to create a absolute vacuum.
Originally posted by PaulMcCartney
reply to post by 547000
Agree. Mathematics didn't come from nowhere.
Humans understood the idea of unity, 1, and counting numbers which led to necessary other number systems, negatives, real, concept of zero, dare i say infinity(which isn't a number). It's a logical progression that has yielded time and time again meaningful results.
I do love that AxB /= BxA in linear algebra. I love mathematics. But there the multiplication operator takes on a different meaning. (and no it's not wrong, it was defined that way)
Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by LiberalSceptic
*sigh*
The arguments given in this topic are not logical, it's just a lot of sophistry and begging the question. A modicum of knowledge on the given subject matter would show this. You can't even argue that zero and infinity are the same things since they aren't even the same object or inherit the same properties. If they were our physicals laws would not function at all.
But you know what, you don't even exist, I am all that exists in this universe, and you, my play things, will cease to be. I hope you accept solipsism as equally valid too, my imaginary friend.edit on 1-9-2011 by 547000 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 547000
Originally posted by PaulMcCartney
reply to post by 547000
Agree. Mathematics didn't come from nowhere.
Humans understood the idea of unity, 1, and counting numbers which led to necessary other number systems, negatives, real, concept of zero, dare i say infinity(which isn't a number). It's a logical progression that has yielded time and time again meaningful results.
I do love that AxB /= BxA in linear algebra. I love mathematics. But there the multiplication operator takes on a different meaning. (and no it's not wrong, it was defined that way)
I love mathematics. But it sometimes takes much practice and effort to appreciate its logical purity and precision. I didn't like math in high school, but it wasn't till recently that I understood what it was about.
Anyway, I'm leaving this thread to allow for people to use illogical arguments as a reason for why "math is wrong". I'm sorry LiberalSkeptic that I got annoyed at you. I shouldn't have snapped like that. So, have at it guys.
Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by PaulMcCartney
That's what gets me. If you define infinite and zero to be the same thing you will very quickly realize why the system fails. This "tolerate everything under the sun" post-modernist phase of society denies the idea that absolute truth exists or is self consistent or at the very least logical.
Most people suppose that mathematics is an abstract game, but in reality it has very concrete roots and maybe a history of it would show it.edit on 1-9-2011 by 547000 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by smithjustinb
What specific problems does your "right" math solve that the "wrong" math cannot? I.e. what real-world solutions does it offer?