Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by smithjustinb
You say it's a "paradigm shifter" yet all you gave me was a lot of unsubstantiated conjecture about god, death and what not, none of which has anything to do with math. What specific problems does your paradigm-shifting "right math" solve that the "wrong math" cannot? Show us some equations that solve real-world problems. You make a lot of bold claims but I never see any math, only sophism and pseudo-scientific rationales. Show us the paradigm-shifting math, I don't think that's too much to ask for. At least show us your theorem that demonstrates that 0 = infinity.
Originally posted by quackers
Originally posted by spy66
If a vacuum contain particles the vacuum would not change, it would still be a absolute vacuum with particles.
It may still be a vacuum but it would not be an absolute vacuum. An absolute vacuum, by definition, would contain zero particles, hence absolute.
You have a absolute vacuum with particles.That is not impossible. We can create a vacuum with less particles cant we?
No, you don't. Or at least you wouldn't were it possible, which it isn't. As long as a single particle remains it isn't absolute.
Its just that we can not create a absolute vacuum, because we dont have the energy/force to create it. No even with all the particles in existence could we use them to create a absolute vacuum.
And if we could create such a vacuum it would contain zero particles and be an absolute vacuum.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Originally posted by jerryznv
reply to post by smithjustinb
You cannot break it in to sub primes and factors without zero...again I respectfully disagree...zero without denomination is voiding all of the factors then....
I would say we should agree to disagree here...there is no new formula...unless you care to provide one...1+0 is always going to be 1...it is not infinite....it is one!
Are you providing a new formula...or just theorizing?
1+0= 1 except for 0 is an invalid number and it would be more appropriate to say 1+ infinity =1.
What I said was, you can throw infinity in anywhere in the equation and it will still operate the way 0 did. So 1+infinity+2+3+infinity still only equals 6. This is due to the fact that anything that is defined in the context of infinity arises as an entity in and of itself apparently separated from infinity but still a finite part of infinity.
Mathematic understanding is flawed due to its one and only uncertainty that is to divide any number(n) by zero. In that operation, the answer is determined as undefined.
Infinity serves as a starting point but also maintains its connection with any finite definition as a formless background for which the definition exists. At the point of definition in reference to zero, the definition separates itself from its reference.
0 really does imply that there is nothing and that there can never be anything. Infinity implies that there is nothing in particular and that there can be anything. Infinity, therefore, is all that I can think of to allow my logical mind to accept as a starting point for anything to have an existence.
Originally posted by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien
Dividing by 0 is a total violation and contradiction of all known mathematical logic and since math is all about logic! d dividing by zero defies logic! basically all forms of math will collapse no matter how complex when simply divided by 0.
The fact, 0 is the reflection of nothing.
We cant divide by 0 because it would be infinity, which is just a concept, it's not an actual number.
Math is not wrong, math is always right, it can never be wrong.
If math was in court, justice will always be served, if math was in common sense and logic, the right decision will always be made.
Courts, and the justice system, and what the masses use for common sense and logic, is not math but english.
I'm all for thinking outside the box, but math is not wrong, it's those who don't know math, who are wrong, math is right, and always will be right.
Therefore, as the judge of this math court, i hold you in contempt, for breaching logical mathematical concepts and crimes against math, i declare you guilty.
If you divide by zero you haven't divided anything. If you multiply by zero you haven't multiplied anything.
Originally posted by spy66
Originally posted by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien
Dividing by 0 is a total violation and contradiction of all known mathematical logic and since math is all about logic! d dividing by zero defies logic! basically all forms of math will collapse no matter how complex when simply divided by 0.
The fact, 0 is the reflection of nothing.
We cant divide by 0 because it would be infinity, which is just a concept, it's not an actual number.
Math is not wrong, math is always right, it can never be wrong.
If math was in court, justice will always be served, if math was in common sense and logic, the right decision will always be made.
Courts, and the justice system, and what the masses use for common sense and logic, is not math but english.
I'm all for thinking outside the box, but math is not wrong, it's those who don't know math, who are wrong, math is right, and always will be right.
Therefore, as the judge of this math court, i hold you in contempt, for breaching logical mathematical concepts and crimes against math, i declare you guilty.
If you were the judge of the math court; I would not want to have anything to do with it. Because its a system that can be proven wrong.
If you have 100 dollars in you hand. How can you make the equation 100 X 0 ????
and make your 100 dollars disappear?
There is no way you can multiply your 100 dollars with Zero.
If you judged me by displaying the proof on a piece of paper that 100 X 0 = 0
Would you have judged me right or wrong if i have shown you the physical proof with a hundred dollar bill?
In realty 100 dollars X 0 = 100 dollars.
The difference between reality and math
edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by spy66
That is what i wanted to tell the guy with my reply.
We can not stop discussing this as long as people don't grasp the concept, because these people wont be able to understand the concept if we move on to discuss new issues.
In realty 100 dollars X 0 = 100 dollars.
Originally posted by john_bmth
Originally posted by spy66
That is what i wanted to tell the guy with my reply.
We can not stop discussing this as long as people don't grasp the concept, because these people wont be able to understand the concept if we move on to discuss new issues.
But you say:
In realty 100 dollars X 0 = 100 dollars.
Which is incorrect.
Originally posted by spy66
Yes it is, if you make the equation on a piece of paper and use the set of mathematical rules. But if you hold the 100 dollar bill in your hand, there is no way you can make that equation add up. There is no way you can apply the mathematical rules to make your 100 dollar bill become 0.
Originally posted by spy66
There is no way you can apply the mathematical rules to make your 100 dollar bill become 0.
Originally posted by john_bmth
Originally posted by spy66
Yes it is, if you make the equation on a piece of paper and use the set of mathematical rules. But if you hold the 100 dollar bill in your hand, there is no way you can make that equation add up. There is no way you can apply the mathematical rules to make your 100 dollar bill become 0.
If you have 0 lots of $100 in your hand, you don't have $100, you have zero dollars.