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(Reuters) - Scientists chasing a particle they believe may have played a vital role in creation of the universe indicated on Monday they were coming to accept it might not exist after all.
But they stressed that if the so-called Higgs boson turns out to have been a mirage, the way would be open for advances into territory dubbed "new physics" to try to answer one of the great mysteries of the cosmos.
The CERN research center, whose giant Large Hadron Collider (LHC) has been the focus of the search, said it had reported to a conference in Mumbai that possible signs of the Higgs noted la
So far the LHC has found:
no string/brane exotica,
no sparticles,
no WIMPs,
no supersymmetry exotica,
no extra-dimensions,
no mini-black holes,
no Randall-Sundrum gravitons,
no porker Higgsy,
and nothing beyond the considerably pre-LHC standard model, which has 26-30 adjustable parameters.
Then there is the 120 orders-of-magnitude vacuum energy density crisis.
The relevant question is: Do we keep adding epicycles to the faltering aged paradigm, or do we seek a revolutionary new paradigm?
I have been saying that there is no Higgs particle for a long time now in comments on articles that have appeared in the past on the Higgs. In fact I believe that most scientists suspected this because the range of likely masses for it had already been tested by the Tevatron and other detectors, long before the LHC was built. Thus the justification for the LHC itself is highly dubious. Was that the best way to spend such a colossal amount of resources? Also I do not think the Graviton will be found either. The Standard model is in error to assume the existence of either so called particle. Instead I think we should be looking at extending the Big Bang model to incorporate the survival, not annihilation of antimatter. Mass and Gravity may well be the result of the interaction between matter and dark matter(which I hold to be antimatter suspended in an alternate quantum phase)
Apart from any of this I find it highly paradoxical, that the Higgs which is supposed to give particles mass, also has mass.Where did it's mass come from? (and I don't accept the answer "from another type of Higgs")
Apart from any of this I find it highly paradoxical, that the Higgs which is supposed to give particles mass, also has mass.Where did it's mass come from? (and I don't accept the answer "from another type of Higgs")
Originally posted by BIGPoJo
The entire universe is an illusion, not just the Higgs. The electric universe is looking sexier and sexier as I get older and wiser.
Maya (Sanskrit माया māyāa[›]), in Indian religions, has multiple meanings, usually quoted as "illusion", centered on the fact that we do not experience the environment itself but rather a projection of it, created by us. Maya is the principal deity that manifests, perpetuates and governs the illusion and dream of duality in the phenomenal Universe. For some mystics, this manifestation is real.[1] Each person, each physical object, from the perspective of eternity, is like a brief, disturbed drop of water from an unbounded ocean. The goal of enlightenment is to understand this — more precisely, to experience this: to see intuitively that the distinction between the self and the Universe is a false dichotomy. The distinction between consciousness and physical matter, between mind and body (refer bodymind), is the result of an unenlightened perspective.
Talbot's book The Holographic Universe, which has become his most popular,[4] explores the metaphysical implications that underline quantum mechanics and suggests that the universe is a hologram (metaphorically speaking). After examining the work of physicist David Bohm and neurophysiologist Karl Pribram, both of whom independently arrived at holographic theories or models of the universe, the book argues that a holographic model could possibly explain supersymmetry and also various paranormal and anomalous phenomena and is the basis for mystical experience.
CERN's statement said new results, which updated findings that caused excitement at another scientific gathering in Grenoble last month, "show that the elusive Higgs particle, if it exists, is running out of places to hide."
•No Higgs above 145 GeV
•In the region 135-145 GeV, both experiments are seeing somewhat more events than expected from background, but less than expected if there really was a Higgs there.
•Not enough data to say anything about 115-135 GeV, the Higgs could still be hiding there. If so, a malicious deity has carefully chosen the Higgs mass to make it as hard as possible for physicists to study it.
Originally posted by OmegaLogos
reply to post by N34Li3Z
Explanation: S&F!
CERN's statement said new results, which updated findings that caused excitement at another scientific gathering in Grenoble last month, "show that the elusive Higgs particle, if it exists, is running out of places to hide."
IT's The OBSERVER, who does what...? Oh yes... COLLAPSES the wave function [ie giving it gravita in more ways than one] that is the Higgs Boson and no wonder they can't find it as they ARE it!
Personal Disclosure: If they are ignoring the basic premise of QM theory then no wonder they are wasting their time and our $$$. :shk:
edit on 23-8-2011 by OmegaLogos because: Edited to fix spelling.
Originally posted by BIGPoJo
Who collapsed wave functions before humanity was around to do so? What if no one is here to perceive a wave function? When will it collapse? See the problem with the current quantum model?
Did God have any choice in making creation?
Does God play dice with the universe?