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Several dead in series of terrorist attacks in southern Israel

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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by superjesse13132000
Oh and I know I spell isriel wrong, its to disrespect them, like they do to the rest of the world.


Lovely ATS, home town of 12 year olds discussing politics and global issues.




posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:31 PM
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Where exactly did I say I support the Israeli government?
The world would be better without Israel?
Would the world be better without the USA?
or Luxembourg? Are you daft? What a simplistic view of the world.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by IsraeliGuy

Originally posted by Swills
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coming from IsraeliGuy. Look, the global media can say whatever they like, we don't trust them either.

FALSE FLAG is my opinion.

Thanks for proving my point hun.

Well maybe we are just as cold and as callous about Israeli deaths as you are about Palestinian deaths.
Had you kids sign any of the bombs yet?
Do you have an audience watching the bombs fall on Gaza while cheering?
Don't you dare ask the world to feel for you, cause you people feel for no one!!!



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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Whats good for the goose is good for the gander...Just hope none of the Israel people get hurt in this tough. I don't care if the government destroys itself with it's false flag operation... The sooner, the better....Remember 911 ?????



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by rebelrich
Well maybe we are just as cold and as callous about Israeli deaths as you are about Palestinian deaths.
Had you kids sign any of the bombs yet?
Do you have an audience watching the bombs fall on Gaza while cheering?
Don't you dare ask the world to feel for you, cause you people feel for no one!!!


Oh shut up. Never did I say I am cold to anyone's deaths. Terrorists that shoot buses and cars on roads deserve to be killed, regardless of what you think of Israel.

Now spare me your guilt filled hate speeches.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by IsraeliGuy

Originally posted by superjesse13132000
Oh and I know I spell isriel wrong, its to disrespect them, like they do to the rest of the world.


Lovely ATS, home town of 12 year olds discussing politics and global issues.

So what are you doing for your 13th birthday party?



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by IsraeliGuy

Originally posted by rebelrich
Well maybe we are just as cold and as callous about Israeli deaths as you are about Palestinian deaths.
Had you kids sign any of the bombs yet?
Do you have an audience watching the bombs fall on Gaza while cheering?
Don't you dare ask the world to feel for you, cause you people feel for no one!!!


Oh shut up. Never did I say I am cold to anyone's deaths. Terrorists that shoot buses and cars on roads deserve to be killed, regardless of what you think of Israel.

Now spare me your guilt filled hate speeches.

They kill because you KILL don't you get it!!
I myself don't believe it to be a false flag!!



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by rebelrich

Originally posted by IsraeliGuy

Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by IsraeliGuy
 


coming from IsraeliGuy. Look, the global media can say whatever they like, we don't trust them either.

FALSE FLAG is my opinion.

Thanks for proving my point hun.

Well maybe we are just as cold and as callous about Israeli deaths as you are about Palestinian deaths.
Had you kids sign any of the bombs yet?
Do you have an audience watching the bombs fall on Gaza while cheering?
Don't you dare ask the world to feel for you, cause you people feel for no one!!!

ISRAEL'S NO-WIN


Palestinians, who were dancing on the roofs with each attack back then - as they did Sept. 11 when thousands of Americans were killed - saw that Israel could be restrained by a heavy hand from abroad. And they remembered

Read more: www.nypost.com...



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by rebelrich
They kill because you KILL don't you get it!!
I myself don't believe it to be a false flag!!

They kill because their intentions is to drive the "Zionist entity" out of Israel, or Palestine as they call it. They have declared it numerous times yet people can't, or don't want to realize it.

Simplifying the issue won't make it easier to solve. Many times have the Israeli government tried to negotiate with the Palestinians in an effort which resulted in more violence. Even one-sided gestures such as the disengagement plan that left hundreds of Israeli people practically homeless, resulted in more violence from the Palestinians side.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:54 PM
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How about just a PINCH of concern for the Israeli civilians who were just slaughtered like stock animals because they were on the wrong bus at the wrong time? I feel for the Palestinian civilians (You know, the REAL civilians who aren't simply without their weapon when counted) but it drives me nuts to see sympathy flowing freely to one side's innocent civilian population but somehow the other side's civilians are different?

Arab and Jew alike are both in deep trouble and they're in it together whether either side wants to admit it or not. Their leaders just don't care about individuals on either side all that much, so the killing never stops. IMHO



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by IsraeliGuy

Originally posted by rebelrich
They kill because you KILL don't you get it!!
I myself don't believe it to be a false flag!!

They kill because their intentions is to drive the "Zionist entity" out of Israel, or Palestine as they call it. They have declared it numerous times yet people can't, or don't want to realize it.

Simplifying the issue won't make it easier to solve. Many times have the Israeli government tried to negotiate with the Palestinians in an effort which resulted in more violence. Even one-sided gestures such as the disengagement plan that left hundreds of Israeli people practically homeless, resulted in more violence from the Palestinians side.
Well maybe you can'tr have want you want simply because you want it!
So make true concessions not jestures
You may not see your countrys errors but we can.
Why do you think that the land is yours to take?
I don't see the Italians claiming Roman land cause that would be just silly nonsense wouldn't it!!
And before you tell me about the Bible, cause when moses lead the jews into what became 'judah' people already lived there, your own museums tell you that



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 03:02 PM
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Should do wonders to the already battered tourism industry in Egypt and the resulting severely depressed economy.

I was in the Sinai area in 2008 and would be deathly afraid to be there now. Guess this is progress for those demanding an alternative to decades of relative calm under that "despot Mubaruk".

Added:
When was the last time rockets were fired from the Sinai Peninsula into Israel? Not under Mubaruk, but will probably become a regular event....

The world would be a much better place without extremist religion !

edit on 18-8-2011 by eNaR because: Added to comment



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by rebelrich
Well maybe you can'tr have want you want simply because you want it!
So make true concessions not jestures
You may not see your countrys errors but we can.
Why do you think that the land is yours to take?
I don't see the Italians claiming Roman land cause that would be just silly nonsense wouldn't it!!
And before you tell me about the Bible, cause when moses lead the jews into what became 'judah' people already lived there, your own museums tell you that

Lol, bible. You really do think I'm 13 don't you?

The land is ours because we have settled in with the UN's approval, as it was nobody's country's. The closest of being a "country of", is Great Britain who owned the land.

The Palestinian neighbors, that, did not live here since forever, were not happy about the UN letting us come to Israel so they continuously attacked us. Fate seemed to laugh at their faces and we got the upper hand while they kept attacking us and lose battles and territories.

After a series of conflicts that were forced upon us yet we kicked their heads into the dirt, we owned most of the land. A little after that came the recognition of Israel as a country by the UN, and the declaration of independence.


Now tell me, why do you think the Australians own the land of Australia? It belonged to the Aboriginals first!
Why do the Americans live in USA? It belonged to the natives and Indians!
...
And the list goes on and on and on, and if we follow your logic, half of the planet's population will have to relocate itself.


Just for proportion matters - we conquered the entire Sinai area in one of our wars, yet returned it right after. Does that go well with your theory of "evil conquering jews"?
..The Sinai area is a huge area that if we wanted, could serve us very well economically and demographically, and we returned it as a gesture. Just like we returned the areas of the settlements.

What did that gave us? Nothing, the terrorists still want us out.

Guess what - not going to happen. Israel is here to stay as the Jewish state it is whether you like it or not.
edit on 18-8-2011 by IsraeliGuy because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by eNaR
reply to post by Vitchilo
 



Should do wonders to the already battered tourism industry in Egypt and the resulting severely depressed economy.

I was in the Sinai area in 2008 and would be deathly afraid to be there now. Guess this is progress for those demanding an alternative to decades of relative calm under that "despot Mubaruk".


Maybe Mubarak was a part of the problem, after all Egyptian life is more important than whether you get to see the pyramids
How self centered are you?



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by rebelrich
Maybe Mubarak was a part of the problem, after all Egyptian life is more important than whether you get to see the pyramids
How self centered are you?

If Egyptian lives are important to the government over there, they better get rid of the terrorist factors that are rampant in Sinai else they are in for a major dirty conflict.

And these "people that want to see the pyramids" are the sole reason why the country of Egypt has not deteriorated into a pulp of economic depression. Tourism is the only thing that keeps the country alive. By destroying tourism, and various other things that fuel their economy (like the huge gas deals with Israel that were blown lately by terrorists), they are digging themselves a grave much bigger than what they seem to think Mubarak was digging for them.
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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 03:11 PM
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Hun? Are you a man or a woman?

And having my own opinion does not prove your point at all. And it is just that, an opinion, to which I clearly stated twice that this could be a false flag or the real deal. But I'm leaning towards false flag for a few good reasons. 1. the protests in Israel against the current Gov't and 2. Palestine wants the UN to recognize them. Two very big and important issues to ignore. We could also include the many other protests going on in the Middle East, like Egypt.

Look, we all get your defending Israel to the end. We all know people like you, and we know where a convo with you is going. Which would be no where and dancing in circles. Your one sided views are clear but that doesn't mean they are correct. So this is my last response to you because all future posts will be a complete waste of time, because we've been there and we've done that

We are allowed to think against the status quo and we are allowed to think for ourselves.
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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by casinoed
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Well yes. But that's not what happens is it? Palestinians fire some indiscriminately aimed mortars/rockets across the border and Israel responds with F-16s, precision guided bombs, tanks and one of the most zealous armies on the planet. That's what always happens and it is always disproportionate.
Mess with the bull and you risk the horns. Poke a lion with a stick and you might get eaten. Do you see where I am going with this?


Originally posted by casinoedIf Israel were to do as you suggest, they would still kill more Palestinians than are ever killed on the Israeli side due to the extreme number of people forced to live inside that tiny piece of land. An area where they have been besieged, starved and humiliated for longer than most people can remember.
In my opinion, they have only the islamist brothers to blame for this. The so called refugees chose to leave Israel when the combined armies of the surrounding muslim nations banded together in a futile attempt to destroy the nascent nation. They were advised to leave and return after the "glorious victory" that never came. They should have since joined the nations where their "camps" are set up. Why haven't they? Do you know? It is simple. The "host" nations will not allow them citizenship. Isn't one of the pillars of the peaceful religion of islam charity? I love the "charity" they show their muslim brethren. If their brothers treat them as trash, why would you expect Israel to do better? As you and the other islam apologists point out, Israel is "evil".



Originally posted by casinoedTell me. If you were forced from your home, subjected to live some refugee camp without access to enough food, water, medicine while the rest of the world sat on its backside and allowed it happen.
They were not forced(at first), they CHOSE to leave. They are surrounded by oil rich muslim brothers and sisters. So, why do those in the camps not have food and medicine? Can Jordan, Syria, and Saudi Arabia not afford them?


Originally posted by casinoedWould you just twiddle your thumbs and hope things got better, or would you fight back?
Let me tell you what I WOULD NOT DO! I would NOT strap suicide vests on my CHILDREN to go kill civilians.



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by rebelrich

Originally posted by eNaR
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Should do wonders to the already battered tourism industry in Egypt and the resulting severely depressed economy.

I was in the Sinai area in 2008 and would be deathly afraid to be there now. Guess this is progress for those demanding an alternative to decades of relative calm under that "despot Mubaruk".


Maybe Mubarak was a part of the problem, after all Egyptian life is more important than whether you get to see the pyramids
How self centered are you?


Are you aware that the pyramids are in Giza, in the eastern part of Cairo? There are no pyramids in the the Sinai Peninsula or do you see Pyramids after a hard night of posting dribble here?



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by IsraeliGuy

Originally posted by rebelrich
Well maybe you can'tr have want you want simply because you want it!
So make true concessions not jestures
You may not see your countrys errors but we can.
Why do you think that the land is yours to take?
I don't see the Italians claiming Roman land cause that would be just silly nonsense wouldn't it!!
And before you tell me about the Bible, cause when moses lead the jews into what became 'judah' people already lived there, your own museums tell you that

Lol, bible. You really do think I'm 13 don't you?

The land is ours because we have settled in with the UN's approval, as it was nobody's country's. The closest of being a "country of", is Great Britain who owned the land.
By the way I don't want to see the end of Idrael just the reduction

The Palestinian neighbors, that, did not live here since forever, were not happy about the UN letting us come to Israel so they continuously attacked us. Fate seemed to laugh at their faces and we got the upper hand while they kept attacking us and lose battles and territories.

After a series of conflicts that were forced upon us yet we kicked their heads into the dirt, we owned most of the land. A little after that came the recognition of Israel as a country by the UN, and the declaration of independence.


Now tell me, why do you think the Australians own the land of Australia? It belonged to the Aboriginals first!
Why do the Americans live in USA? It belonged to the natives and Indians!
...
And the list goes on and on and on, and if we follow your logic, half of the planet's population will have to relocate itself.


Just for proportion matters - we conquered the entire Sinai area in one of our wars, yet returned it right after. Does that go well with your theory of "evil conquering jews"?
..The Sinai area is a huge area that if we wanted, could serve us very well economically and demographically, and we returned it as a gesture. Just like we returned the areas of the settlements.

What did that gave us? Nothing, the terrorists still want us out.

Guess what - not going to happen. Israel is here to stay as the Jewish state it is whether you like it or not.
edit on 18-8-2011 by IsraeliGuy because: (no reason given)

No I don't think you are 13
We all know about the Australian and American situation
Just cause you won a war doesn't mean you can have it after all you once lost a war that made you leave 'Judah'
so by your theory it should no longer be yours
You should of been given a slice of west Germany, the land wasn't Britians to give away plus you are euro jews in the most part not middle eastern 'true jews'
We just do not like the suffering of Palestinians you have to concede caus the problem wont go away and even you must realise that by now
edit on 18-8-2011 by rebelrich because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 03:17 PM
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I got my BA in History from ODU. Yes it did happen. Jews were not the only ones. Even a quick wiki search would show you that.



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