The No-Kids-Allowed Movement is Spreading

I take my kids out to "civilized" places (mostly restaurants). If they act up and refuse to stop, we immediately leave (you can't discipline in public, else you might spend the night in jail). I would not take my 2 year old to a movie, no way. Not fair to those around us.

If a business refuses to serve me because of my kids.... ok, cool... if it is someplace I really want to go, I'll come back when I have a baby-sitter... if not, well, no skin off my nose.

Originally posted by 2012srb
It's amazing how many people, once they have children, think that the rest of us should fall all over ourselves to serve them.

Fall all over yourselves? Really? I haven't seen one parent in this thread proclaim that, only to not be banned from an establishment (other than inappropriate ones like a strip joint) because children sometimes act up. Most of us do not tolerate it, and will not allow our children to scream in your ear.

You made a choice, you bred. There are consequences.

Your parents made that choice too. One of those consequences is having somebody who will love you, and be there to talk to you when you're old, and revert back to being like a child, and most others want nothing to do with you. Another consequence is having a bond with a little human that looks up to you, and who you love more than anything on the planet. Having kids is fun, seeing the joy on their faces when you introduce them to things that you loved as a kid.

Not everyone is going to adore your porch ape.

You're a "porch ape" yourself. Just an older, bitter one.

You can see from some of these posts the real underlying problem.

A sense of entitlement.

Just because a restaurant or other business exists does not mean they have to serve you or let you spend your money there. Don't like it? Don't go there. That's why we have FREEDOMS! It's no different than the country club denying entry to you. Are they discriminating because you don't have a lot of money? Yes they are, and they can do it because income is not a protected class. Stop believing your are "entitled" to things and maybe you can be a productive citizen!

reply to post by haarvik


Oh STFU. I made it very clear, that was an example, and said "stereotypically", meaning it's a stereotype. Not all children are unruly either, so equating ALL children, with unruly behavior is just as disgusting. I wouldn't support any place that bans anybody based on factors they can't control (age, race, sexuality, etc.). Also, my children are well behaved in public, and I can say have NEVER thrown a tantrum that I didn't bring under control immediately. I'm a loving, yet stern father. They are very well behaved. Because other parents have trouble controlling theirs, isn't a reason to ban all children.

reply to post by haarvik


You're right, and I agree. We are not entitled to anything, and if a restaurant owner (example) wants to ban children, they are free to do so. I don't support any kind of law saying they can't, same goes for other factors, like race. There should be no laws forcing tolerance on anybody. Let people vote with their feet. I'd be willing to bet, a kid free restaurant wouldn't last very long.

reply to post by 27jd


I forgot to mention they're touchy too.

Might wanna ride herd on those buttons.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by Romekje

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by IceFlower
reply to post by 27jd

 

Anyone who chooses to cater to the non-children base. What a simpleton view you have - the ones that dont't want kids in a restaurant are the ones that have no one to have kids with. Please.........

Again, this is not about kids in a restaurant, this is about ILL-BEHAVED kids in a restaurant and the PARENTS not giving a hoot about how the kids are disrupting other diners experience.

No, this is about BANNING kids in various places. Started with airlines, discussion moved to restaurants, etc. ALL kids, not just the screaming ones, for many here. I don't want RUDE kids around, either, but that's a far cry from banning children. For the record, my KIDS don't want the rude ones around, either. They roll their eyes and look disgusted at bad behavior.

Well to be honest banning kids from a venue is the choice (and RIGHT) of the venue's owner.

Just like it's the parents plight to keep their kids under control. Good that your kids aren't brats as i'm getting it from your posts, but i'm afraid they'll have to pay the price for other people's bad parenting. I wouldn't care too much about it to begin with.
A restaurant or whatever that makes the choice of not allowing kids in will not JUST do this, since it might cost customers, so in all fairness towards business' that have this rule, it's there for a reason probably and i dont think they'll have french fries with a toy on the menu anywayz.

Ah, but therein lies the issue. The restaurants can supposedly do this, but in reality, it isn't legal. Discrimination based on age, after all. Plus, as others have stated, how would people view this if we substituted a race for kid? People would be, rightly, up in arms. Now, that said, I think businesses SHOULD be able to decide, and then people should put the foolish ones OUT of business. For ANY group. The issue I have with this is the attitude of many t hat want such bans in place.

On occasion, I had one act up. They got no time out to eat for a LONG time after that. Worked like a charm, too.

Next time one started to act up, I simply said, "Let's go.". Settled right down.

Far past time we stopped letting the dregs of society screw things up for the rest, though.

this is where you are wrong. A private establishment like a restaurant is completely free to have age restrictions as long as it's a general rule applied to all visitors.

The funny thing is, I remember a thread a while back about a bakery, owned by Christians, that refused to make "gay cupcakes" for a gay customer because it went against their religion. The outrage on this site was almost unanimous, except for other religious folks defending them because they dislike gays, and a few people like myself who understood freedom, and letting people choose where they do business. People were calling for the government to step in and demand they bake the "gay cupcakes", etc. I don't really see that here, so who has a sense of entitlement? Like I said, discriminatory establishments of any kind, won't last long (again, not including places that are inappropriate for kids).

reply to post by 27jd


At last, we agree on something. Yes it is the few that ruin it for the many. Yes, you can exercise your decision by not patronizing the establishment. Most times I would not patronize one that does not allow children, however there are times when I would. My whole argument has been that the business owner has the right to say who can/cannot patronize their establishment. Yes I cannot stand unruly children, but children are a product of their environment. So unruly children usually indicate a less than caring parent. Unfortunately our society has broken down so bad that TV shows now glamorize the behavior. Look at Toddlers and Tiaras, or Bridezillas. We love to watch bad behavior. Our society has made it acceptable for people to behave like this, and that is why this movement will take hold.

reply to post by haarvik


Yes, you absolutely have an overweaning sense of entitlement.

Originally posted by Finalized
I take my kids out to "civilized" places (mostly restaurants). If they act up and refuse to stop, we immediately leave (you can't discipline in public, else you might spend the night in jail). I would not take my 2 year old to a movie, no way. Not fair to those around us.

If a business refuses to serve me because of my kids.... ok, cool... if it is someplace I really want to go, I'll come back when I have a baby-sitter... if not, well, no skin off my nose.

This. A thousand times. Such a simple thing, and yet it consists of almost 30 pages of debate? Amazing.
If your kids are out of control, remove them from the situation, period. Don't take them places they realistically shouldn't be. I still can't comprehend small children at the late showing of a rated R horror movie. The mind boggles.

reply to post by joyride0187

Good i hope the No-kids movement goes all the way if you cant control your kids then don't go places.. i hate going to a movie and hearing a screaming kid for half the movie because the parent refuses to leave the theater it would be better if you DON'T TAKE THE KID!..

I have 5 kids.. I have taken them to the movies i tell them all before hand if i hear a Peep out of you besides saying you have to use the bathroom that you will be leaving the movie theater.. i got baby sitters on speed dial and friends i trust to look after them while the ones who do behave get to see the movie the ones that dont get tossed out on there rear ends.. I belive in spanking and i will use it

Originally posted by Vash
reply to post by joyride0187

 

Good i hope the No-kids movement goes all the way if you cant control your kids then don't go places.. i hate going to a movie and hearing a screaming kid for half the movie because the parent refuses to leave the theater it would be better if you DON'T TAKE THE KID!..

I have 5 kids.. I have taken them to the movies i tell them all before hand if i hear a Peep out of you besides saying you have to use the bathroom that you will be leaving the movie theater.. i got baby sitters on speed dial and friends i trust to look after them while the ones who do behave get to see the movie the ones that dont get tossed out on there rear ends.. I belive in spanking and i will use it

That doesn't make alot of sense. You say you hope it "goes all the way", in the same post you say your kids are well behaved and they don't act up. So, you think it's right that you shouldn't be allowed to the movies with your well behaved kids, because of the inaction of other parents? I would say the middle ground is the best place to be, if parents are not disciplining their children and creating a scene...the owner should ask them to reign it in, or leave. Well behaved children shouldn't suffer because of ill behaved children. That's simply not fair.

reply to post by 27jd


Well, life isn't fair, not to be coy or anything. I think a much more appropriate stance would be to limit the hours children could be at a business rather than an all out ban. If it is after 10pm, then no children. Everyone wins.

reply to post by haarvik

You can see from some of these posts the real underlying problem. A sense of entitlement.

Entitlement is not the only underlying problem. Accountability is another issue as well. If the parents were accountable for the actions of their children, then business owners wouldn't have to get involved. A business owner shouldn't have to be accountable for the behavior of others peoples children. This society breeds a lack of accountability, and after years of this it's has got way out of hand.

reply to post by haarvik


Well sure, late night establishments geared towards adults, drinking, smoking, etc. are not places for kids anyway. Like strip clubs, casinos, sex shops, bars, the bong section at the smoke shop, etc. There are plenty of places where you can go that you won't have to deal with kids if you don't want to. Not sure how good the food will be though.

For any business owner to ban customers tells me there's a history of complaints from other patrons. I've worked in restaurants and most of my bosses would feed the family dog if they could make money off it. So I say these few establishments have had problems. It's not just the annoyance of crying children, clueless parents often let kids run around. That's a safety issue when wait staff is busy and carrying trays of hot food/drinks.

Instead of outright banning separate dining rooms for parents/nannies of crying/disruptive children would be the better choice. On special occasions many of us ate at the kids table in the kitchen.

I've waited on many well to do families. The little ones usually go eat separately with the nanny. The parents want their children to learn good dining habits but not out where others could be disturbed. These little customers eventually graduate to the main dining room and are so proud of themselves when they do.

I've seen the nannies interact with kids. Their attention is solely on the child, they're teaching good dining habits. If you can't afford a nanny to do this for you, you have to do it yourself. Customers don't hate children they hate unchecked bad behavior. When kids are ignored they often escalate.

Most kids are cute/funny and their parents are sweethearts. Sometimes people just don't notice the good ones. As a server I sure have and I do appreciate nice families who've raised their kids right.

Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by 27jd

 

Look at Toddlers and Tiaras, or Bridezillas. We love to watch bad behavior. Our society has made it acceptable for people to behave like this, and that is why this movement will take hold.

What ??!!! Bad behavior here is still the adults! Not the kids. It disgusts me that some parents think they can turn their children into "products", instead of fun-loving people (reference to Toddlers and Tiaras)

IT is getting to the point where we can't discipline kids believe me one side says we can't raise our voices to kids, the other side wants to considder the comfort of the other patrons so it is a two sided coin.

My wife and I used to have a friend who had a boy the same age as mine. Notice I said used to. She did not believe in telling him no. Anyway, the boy spent the night with my son. Next morning he comes into the kitchen and says to my wife "I'm hungry. Make me breakfast". Well, that didn't go over to well. She told him that if he wanted breakfast, she suggested he go home and tell his mother to make it for him as she was not his slave. Fast forward 10 years, and now she doesn't understand why he is in juvenile detention all the time. Geez, how do we allow these people to be parents? What's sad is it is harder to adopt a cat or dog than it is to have a kid!