Boeing's Millennium Falcon Floats Using Nazi Technology

Fascinating technology. S+F.

The design concept has several interesting aspects. Such as the wing being physically mounted above the fuselage, this would give the wing the same amount of surface area as a fuselage mounted wing without increasing the footprint.

I'll be keeping an eye on this and Boeing shares :-)

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by burntheships

 

sigh - pulse jets were not invented by the nazis - try " Georges Marconnet " he holds a 1908 patent

Shhh, anything non American is Nazi.

WORST photoshop ever.

Even halfway asleep i already see that the people don't cast the right shadow.

reply to post by byeluvolk


As a fellow Aircraftese enthusiast, I would be at risk of forfeiture of my Aircraftese membership card and secret decoder ring if I were remiss in reminding the casual reader that while Luft'46 is a fun site, the majority of aircraft featured never went beyond the scribble on a napkin stage.

The brilliant aeronautical engineers of 1930's and 40's National Socialist Germany unquestionably made huge contributions to modern aviation but in all fairness it should also be remembered that the Reichsluftfahrtministerium ( German Ministry of Aviation or RLM abbreviated) were often victims of their own often overly ambitious imaginations and even the very few late war designs that found their way into prototype were nearly all so badly flawed as to have had no possible future as military programs.

The most highly evolved of the German wings was the Horton IX aka HP-229 and regardless of what "secret Nazi wonder weapons" on the history channel would have folks believe it was far from a success. Only six were built, only 2 of those were briefly flown and only 1 of those was powered and it was lost by a crash early on.

There is a bit of a current trend to romanticize the Ho-229 by crediting it with theoretical performance and inferring it was an inspiration for modern stealth and both are far from the truth. The real story isn't nearly as exciting. The one powered prototype was never flown faster than a couple of hundred kmh or higher than .5km.

The HP-229 had zero influence on the B-2. Often neglected from mention in modern stories of the German "wonder weapon" is that at the same time of the Horton brothers Jack Northrop was designing tailless aircraft as well with the added caveat that after WW2 the Horton brothers were forgotten while Northrop went on to successfully engineer both the YB-35 and YB-49 strategic bomber. They ultimately failed for a few reasons, incurable yaw instability a big one due to no computer fly by wire in the 50's. The resurgence of the tailless wing design in the B-2 had little more than basic plan form in common with Northrop's wings of the 50's had absolutely no part of their lineage in common with the HO-229.

Hope this helps...

Will this VTOL tech do for helicopters what e-mail did for the Post Office?

I always wondered how we would end up with the really cool transports and aircraft seen in sci-fi movies...would it be anti-grav, maybe magnetic pulse, ...well now we know.

Imagine the impact on civilian and military aircraft...think UPS...Fed Ex...Medical EMS...FireFifgting....Forestry Service....even construction...or recreation...or as mentioned...an air boogie board.

Wonder if it would be possible to apply this tech to ships and have ships that float and fly....Now that would be a hell of a Marine Amphibious Assault.

Consider in a few decades the application to cars and trucks or even rail transport....

Possibly instead of semis heading down the highway...you may have VTOL "truckers" hauling multiple cargo containers and dropping along a delivery route.

Of course then, you have to have Law Enforcement...Troopers...even Police VTOL to enforce safety codes...will the TSA be involved?

Imagine Mickey Ds with a fly through window....LOL.

Originally posted by PW229
Fascinating technology. S+F.

The design concept has several interesting aspects. Such as the wing being physically mounted above the fuselage, this would give the wing the same amount of surface area as a fuselage mounted wing without increasing the footprint.

I'll be keeping an eye on this and Boeing shares :-)

edit on 26-7-2011 by PW229 because: Typo correction.

Sounds like you might be on to a winner.

Blended Wing Body, or BWB, designates an alternative airframe design which incorporates design features from both a futuristic fuselage and flying wing design. The purported advantages (see Potential advantages below) of the BWB approach are efficient high-lift wings and a wide airfoil-shaped body. This enables the entire craft to contribute to lift generation with the result of potentially increased fuel economy.

Blended wing body

Spectrum of aircraft design concepts from conventional airliner (1), blended wing-body (2), hybrid flying wing (3), flying wing (4). Note that the spectrum does not represent either a chronological or technical order; the YB-49 (4), representing a true flying wing, actually predates all other depicted aircraft, while the "conventional" Boeing 757 (1) is a relatively new and technologically advanced aircraft, and the X-48 (2) is the most recently developed

reply to post by Drunkenparrot


Gee...your no fun. Yo're letting facts get in the way of the truth.

I think I'm gonna take my lil' red wagon and go home.

LOL...seriously good info. Thanks....we needed that.

reply to post by Drunkenparrot


I just used that site as it was the first I found with the pictures when I did Google image search. I have actually never heard of it before. And no, I was not trying to imply they had made and flown any of those aircraft with any success. Just pointing out they were indeed real designs, and had been planned as real aircraft. Given time they would have been made and then who knows what kind of success they would have. I just used them as examples as they had the sort of weird delta wing look to them and indeed never really got off the ground (no pun intended) and thus were “unknown.” Theses could-have-beens were the topic here, as in “German planes we do not know about.” As for the Horton 229 yes I have seen the one at chino, as well as a DO-335. And while very innovative in their design, and possibly a very effective fighter in the case of the Dornier, they were actually made and thus fairly well known so I did not use them in the post.

reply to post by byeluvolk


I enjoyed your addition of the luft'46 images and understood your contribution in the spirit intended as explained in your last post.

My intent was aimed towards making the point crystal clear for the inevitable casual reader with little interest in historical aviation who takes a quick glance and, failing understand the context of Luft'46, takes a leap in connecting non existent dots and goes on to believe and perpetuate a historical fallacy.

I have come to believe a sizable percentage of the "facts" supporting vintage UFO cases have their roots in similar beginnings and just wanted to save the innocent from possibly unknowingly contributing.

My apologies if the wording of my post led you to believe I was being critical of the information you posted in any way, that was no part of my intention.

reply to post by Drunkenparrot



Haha, i actually did not post that pic, I quoted it. Its from ATS member
Mike Singh

This is an alleged photo of a hard-copy photograph. Note the tack
attaching the photo to the wall or board, the German writing on the
photo and the tacked note. Could this be an early German prototype
of the TR-3B?
Courtesy: dcodereport www.abovetopsecret.com...

You may be right about the photshop job, though Slayer69 did not catch it either.

So...


Nice to see a knowledgeble member!

See the link to the original thread under the photo.

reply to post by burntheships


So? Whats your point? This isnt "breaking news"...the u.s stole tons of nazi technology after the war,and have been using it since...

reply to post by iBleedSovietR3D


Buddy, I just finished reading your grey area story, if I were you i would not be criticizing my posts,
LMaO.

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by neo96

 

You bring up interesting points, could this be one reason for the recent change in
the Space Exploration program? Just a thought...

That would make more sense. NASA and US Government is not stupid to discontinue the shuttle program (which was designed for far more flights than the number that has been achieved so far by all the shuttles). They have to have something far more economical and advanced to place objects into space.

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by tpg65

 

Donuts On A Rope...?

All the images I find say my right click button is disabled.

You can always do a 'print screen' and crop the screen capture

reply to post by hp1229


Thank you for both your posts, I do have a program that will accomplish this task,
I was tired last night when I posted this, and got lazy.

reply to post by burntheships


Which one might I ask do you find so humorous if you dont mind telling us all?
btw that was quite a playground farce haha, now I can "laugh my ass off" at your immaturity. Learn to use "search" too. Condradulations your the one millionth person to point put a 70 year old PUBLIC fact.

Originally posted by iBleedSovietR3D
reply to post by burntheships

 

So? Whats your point? This isnt "breaking news"...the u.s stole tons of nazi technology after the war,and have been using it since...

The Nazi war technology was 'acquired' after world war II by many countries and not just the US. UK, Soviet and other allies involved in the world war got a glimpse and control of blue prints, prototypes and leftover technology of the then planned future projects by the Nazi's.

The focal point of the topic is about 'Boeing's Millenium Falcon' not 'US stole nazi technology'

reply to post by hp1229


Yes, but poster was reffering to us. Every country stole what they could get their hands on.

This craft looks like the UFO platform seen in China several months ago.

reply to post by neo96



No worries, lets look a little deeper. I think I am onto something.
See below.

You can not believe everything obama and NASA tells you as to the reasons why.

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by neo96

 

You bring up interesting points, could this be one reason for the recent change in
the Space Exploration program? Just a thought...

That would make more sense. NASA and US Government is not stupid to discontinue the shuttle program (which was designed for far more flights than the number that has been achieved so far by all the shuttles). They have to have something far more economical and advanced to place objects into space.

Yes, thanks for the insight, and went looking a bit deeper and found this, from June 2011.

A look at spaceships that could follow the shuttle

"Our first objective is developing New Shepard, a vertical take-off, vertical-landing vehicle designed to take a small number of astronauts on a sub-orbital journey into space."http://www.tampabay.com/news/science/space/a-look-at-spaceships-that-could-follow-the-shuttle/1181167

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